The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

[civic]

Amen! And only one God, the Father. God is defined as just the Father in Scripture.

The context of 1 Cor 8:6 and Paul’s point he is making.

1 Cor. 8:4-6 shows that the Son as well as the Father are distinguished from TA PANTA ( all things ) by priority of existence, and that makes both true deity since only true deity exists before TA PANTA....and note also that both the Father and Christ are contrasted against the false deities of paganism. So there's plenty of evidence in just these two passages (11:36 & 8:4-6) to justify the Orthodox inclusion of identifying both as true Deity against the false teachings of unitarianism ( false deity, false christ )

hope this helps !!!

 

[synergy]

You did get a direct answer as far as the Bible is concerned. There are no single verses about Jesus being lord according to the flesh or spirit. So I am just asking you questions to help you find the answer that you think is true. For example, in Luke 1:43 Mary is called the mother of the Lord. So she isn't the mother of God right? That would mean she is mother of a Lord according to the flesh. Also, Romans 9:5 describes Jesus as an ethnic Jew who God blessed. On the other hand, Jesus became a life-giving spirit. There is probably a case that Jesus is both a Lord over our bodies and spiritual health, but not God. High priests, deacons, elders are also in this very same capacity.

Hebrews 13:17 (ESV)
"Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you."

My question stems from the verses you forwarded. Here are the verses again:

Ephesians 6
5Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

Colossians 3
22Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God:

I'll simplify my question even more. Do you view Jesus as your "Master according to the flesh"?

I will accept no vaccilations and I'm not into endless rabbit holes.

 

[synergy]

Jesus’ humanity and divinity are not mixed, but are united without loss of separate identity. Jesus sometimes operated with the limitations of humanity (John 4:6, 19:28) and other times in the power of His deity (John 11:43; Matthew 14:18-21). In both, Jesus’ actions were from His one Person. Jesus had two natures, but only one personality."

https://www.gotquestions.org/hypostatic-union.html

That proves what @civic was saying, namely that "His humanity is not His Deity you are conflating and equivocating again."

 

[synergy]

Okay let's see.... @TomL @synergy @Dizerner @praise_yeshua @David Koberstein @MTMattie @mikesw @DavidTree @Johann @Joe @JoshebB @TibiasDad @Rockson @Red Baker (sorry if I forgot anyone else, these are the people who just came to mind) do you believe Jesus is fully God and fully man or is the human Jesus not the "God Jesus?" I am referring to the hypostatic union btw.

The Person of Jesus is the Uncreated Word of God, manifested many times in OT Theophanies as the Preincarnate Jesus. He took on human nature at the Incarnation and is known to us as Jesus Christ. He now sits alongside his Father on his Father's Throne towards where all of Heaven is directing their worship and prayers to.

 

[Runningman]

The context of 1 Cor 8:6 and Paul’s point he is making.

1 Cor. 8:4-6 shows that the Son as well as the Father are distinguished from TA PANTA ( all things ) by priority of existence, and that makes both true deity since only true deity exists before TA PANTA....and note also that both the Father and Christ are contrasted against the false deities of paganism. So there's plenty of evidence in just these two passages (11:36 & 8:4-6) to justify the Orthodox inclusion of identifying both as true Deity against the false teachings of unitarianism ( false deity, false christ )

hope this helps !!!

1 Cor. 8:6 is a Unitarian proof text about the only God being the Father, along with John 17:3, and Eph. 4:6. However, the point Paul was making is that Jesus is the Lord of the church, but not the Lord God Almighty (a title Jesus is never called in Scripture, along with a couple dozen other titles/names that Jesus is never called.) More Scripture.... Acts 2:36 says God manufactured/constructed Jesus into the Lord and Christ. Paul was clear he doesn't believe Jesus is God. It doesn't feel like a discussion with you because I am always cleaning up your messy theology.

1 Cor. 15
27For “God has put everything under His feet.” Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him.

 

[Runningman]

My question stems from the verses you forwarded. Here are the verses again:

I'll simplify my question even more. Do you view Jesus as your "Master according to the flesh"?

I will accept no vaccilations and I'm not into endless rabbit holes.

Listen, I respect that you had the mettle to agree with me one time about kurious, but as a person I don't respect you. I wish you the best, but I will never do anything you tell me to do. Kick rocks! Is that clear?

However, If you want to talk Bible let's do it.

 

[Runningman]

The Person of Jesus is the Uncreated Word of God, manifested many times in OT Theophanies as the Preincarnate Jesus. He took on human nature at the Incarnation and is known to us as Jesus Christ. He now sits alongside his Father on his Father's Throne towards where all of Heaven is directing their worship and prayers to.

So Jesus has always been a human in your theology? That doesn't sound like an agreement with @civic

 

[Runningman]

and its nothing different from what I said and posted here on the topic,

next fallacy

nope God is defined as the Son and Holy Spirit too.

next fallacy

You stealth-edited your reply almost a full hour after the fact, but you were a little sloppy because you forgot to take it out of a different reply you quoted. Personally, I think an hour is way too long. These conversations could stay more honest if there wasn't such a large window to change what was originally said.

I originally said the below:

So Jesus is not fully God and fully man as most Trinitarians believe, according to you. Then you reject the hypostatic union. Good to know. So are you a modalist or oneness?

you replied with:

Nope His humanity is not His Deity you are conflating and equivocating again.

Now you're back tracking now that you've been exposed. So do you agree with the hypostatic union presentation on Got Questions? Yes or no

 

[synergy]

Listen, I respect that you had the mettle to agree with me one time about kurious, but as a person I don't respect you. I wish you the best, but I will never do anything you tell me to do. Kick rocks! Is that clear?

However, If you want to talk Bible let's do it.

Huh? My question is about Bible verses, that you forwarded. Can you answer my question without any vaccillating or rabbit holes on your part?

Do you view Jesus as your "Master according to the flesh"?

 

[synergy]

So Jesus has always been a human in your theology?

No, not at all. What ever gave you the idea that OT Theophanies are human people??? I told you before, Stop your Hallucinations!

That doesn't sound like an agreement with @civic

It sure does.

 

[Runningman]

No, not at all. What ever gave you the idea that OT Theophanies are human people??? I told you before, Stop your Hallucinations!

It sure does.

The alleged "OT theophanies" don't differentiate between members of your godhead so you can't prove the trinity using that either.

 

[Runningman]

Huh? My question is about Bible verses, that you forwarded. Can you answer my question without any vaccillating or rabbit holes on your part?

I already answered this with what the Bible says. I know your heart. You aren't asking me questions because you agree with anything I say, you're asking me questions so you can find more openings to attack me. Why should I let you lead where you want to go and answer how you want me to answer? You're just trying to put me in the exact position you want me so you can have your way. No need to help you by completing your assignments. That's why I don't like you as a human being. The rest of the guys here are fine. They keep it civilized and discussions stay in the territory of Biblical disagreement and that's it. You take it to the next level by saying I am hallucinating and other slander.

 

[civic]

That proves what @civic was saying, namely that "His humanity is not His Deity you are conflating and equivocating again."

ditto

 

[civic]

The alleged "OT theophanies" don't differentiate between members of your godhead so you can't prove the trinity using that either.

sure you can since Jesus said no man has seen the Father or heard His voice in the OT.

next fallacy-

 

[civic]

Huh? My question is about Bible verses, that you forwarded. Can you answer my question without any vaccillating or rabbit holes on your part?

yes the old uni rabbit trails lol

 

[MTMattie]

So Jesus was given a name? You do realize that being given something implies one didn't always inherently have it right? That calls into question your "Jesus is eternal" doctrine.

That calls into question your reading and understanding of the Bible.

Matt 1: 23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

 

[MTMattie]

The Bible does not indicate three persons raised Jesus from the dead..

 

[MTMattie]

Jesus is a god man in trinitarianism, therefore he can't be the Divine Being. The Divine Being cannot be an image made by human design and skill. Stop arguing and accept that you have turned Jesus into an idol and need to repent. (Acts 17:29)

You think the man Jesus is sitting up in heaven on the Father's right hand?

Question.

What do you say Jesus' name was before He was born?

 

[MTMattie]

Amen! And only one God, the Father. God is defined as just the Father in Scripture.

You still are indicating YOU believe the Father lied in Hebrews 1:8

John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.”

John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!” This is a reference back to Exodus 3:14 when God revealed Himself as the “I AM.” PSSSSST... Hint...That is why the Jews were going to stone him to death.

Ill ignore John 1 because you already have said it does not say what it says

Lets see what else I can post quickly... Oh yea, In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38).

Final question: Do YOU believe Jesus is needed for salvation?

 

[MTMattie]

No. It's not. I am not joking. I sourced Got Questions below. This is the historical and orthodox hypostatic union. I can see why you want to distance yourself from it and change the rules... because it's super vulnerable to debunking.

"The hypostatic union is the term used to describe how God the Son, Jesus Christ, took on a human nature, yet remained fully God at the same time. Jesus always had been God (John 8:58, 10:30), but at the incarnation Jesus became a human being (John 1:14). The addition of the human nature to the divine nature is Jesus, the God-man. This is the hypostatic union, Jesus Christ, one Person, fully God and fully man.

YOU JUST ADMITTED God the Son, Jesus Christ, yet remained fully God at the same time.

I..... claim the rules as proof... PROOF YOU provided.