The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

[Runningman]

Your faith is in your own conjectures - THINK about this and how it is leading you away from God and to Judgment.

The only True GOD is PLURAL and this PLURALITY is FIRST Spoken in Genesis chapter 1

In the beginning
בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית (bə·rê·šîṯ)
Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular
Strong's Hebrew 7225: 1) first, beginning, best, chief 1a) beginning 1b) first 1c) chief 1d) choice part

God
אֱלֹהִ֑ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

God is not plural hence He is never called Gods. As you already stated, the word elohim is plural, but YHWH is the singular being who is God. Elohim typically refers to judges, rulers, and divine ones, but never described as 2 or more beings makeup a compound God. It's because you simply do not understand the language and because you don't know who God is. I know you won't hear the truth from me or Scripture. Maybe you should pray about it. You are a fallible human after all. Maybe you got some things wrong here any there? No shame in being wrong, but shame in abiding in your error after finding the truth.

Gesenius, a Hebrew grammar expert, said regarding elohim: “That the language has entirely rejected the idea of numerical plurality in Elohim (whenever it denotes one God) is proved especially by its being almost invariably joined with a singular attribute.” In other words, the best authority on Hebrew grammar rejects your interpretation.

 

[DavidTree]

God is not plural hence He is never called Gods. As you already stated, the word elohim is plural, but YHWH is the singular being who is God. Elohim typically refers to judges, rulers, and divine ones, but never described as 2 or more beings makeup a compound God. It's because you simply do not understand the language and because you don't know who God is. I know you won't hear the truth from me or Scripture. Maybe you should pray about it. You are a fallible human after all. Maybe you got some things wrong here any there? No shame in being wrong, but shame in abiding in your error after finding the truth.

Gesenius, a Hebrew grammar expert, said regarding elohim: “That the language has entirely rejected the idea of numerical plurality in Elohim (whenever it denotes one God) is proved especially by its being almost invariably joined with a singular attribute.” In other words, the best authority on Hebrew grammar rejects your interpretation.

Your faith is in your own conjectures - THINK about this and how it is leading you away from God and to Judgment.

JUDGMENT upon your unbelief = GENESIS

Genesis 1:26 - "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness". = Elohim is PLURAL

 

[mikesw]

Even if we pre-tend that John 17:5 is literal, then yes, John 17:3 can still co-exist with John 17:5. Pre-existing in the literal sense does not require someone pre-existing as God. Another epic failure on your part. Care to take another swing?

I'm sorry. I'm not into the reincarnation doctrine if that is what you are claiming here. Jesus is the only one we are told of pre-existing in heaven.

 

[Runningman]

I'm sorry. I'm not into the reincarnation doctrine if that is what you are claiming here. Jesus is the only one we are told of pre-existing in heaven.

Where does the word incarnation appear in the Bible? That would be your golden ticket to lay to rest the plausibility of your interpretation.

 

[Runningman]

Your faith is in your own conjectures - THINK about this and how it is leading you away from God and to Judgment.

JUDGMENT upon your unbelief = GENESIS

Genesis 1:26 - "Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness". = Elohim is PLURAL

I'm not going into judgment for anything according to the Bible. Please show me from Scripture my sins or why I will go to judgement.

Also, Genesis 1:26 conspicuously doesn't mention a trinity. That's just your interpretation.

 

[DavidTree]

Truth #1 - i DO NOT want you to enter into Judgment but to ESCAPE it

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You oppose the words of GOD and thusly are calling GOD a liar.

You refuse to submit unto the Lord Jesus Christ and deny His Name that HE is the HOLY ONE

 

[Runningman]

Truth #1 - i DO NOT want you to enter into Judgment but to ESCAPE it

Posts 2943 , 2946 , 2949 , 2960 , 2962

You oppose the words of GOD and thusly are calling GOD a liar.

You refuse to submit unto the Lord Jesus Christ and deny His Name that HE is the HOLY ONE

You oppose Jesus with your twisting of John 17:3 into meaning the Father isn't the only true God. Let's see what happens on judgement day. I would rather be believing the Bible at face value than explaining to God your interpretation. He's the judge. Perhaps the stunning ignorance of your indoctrination will save you.

 

[DavidTree]

You oppose Jesus with your twisting of John 17:3 into meaning the Father isn't the only true God. Let's see what happens on judgement day. I would rather be believing the Bible at face value than explaining to God your interpretation. He's the judge. Perhaps the stunning ignorance of your indoctrination will save you.

WRONG AGAIN

But here is your chance to PROVE your accusation.

 

[Runningman]

WRONG AGAIN

But here is your chance to PROVE your accusation.

John 5
24Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life.

John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

 

[DavidTree]

You oppose Jesus with your twisting of John 17:3 into meaning the Father isn't the only true God. Let's see what happens on judgement day. I would rather be believing the Bible at face value than explaining to God your interpretation. He's the judge. Perhaps the stunning ignorance of your indoctrination will save you.

Truth #1 - i DO NOT want you to enter into Judgment but to ESCAPE it

 

[DavidTree]

John 5
24Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life.

John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

Now BELIEVE what JESUS is Saying to you = EVERY WORD

 

[Runningman]

Truth #1 - i DO NOT want you to enter into Judgment but to ESCAPE it

I don't want that for you too! Perhaps you shouldn't use judgement language if you don't want judgement to come on you?

Matt 7
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

 

[DavidTree]

I don't want that for you too! Perhaps you shouldn't use judgement language if you don't want judgement to come on you?

Matt 7
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

My judgment is not mine but the LORD's.

If you refuse my warning that is DIRECTLY from God's WORD, you argue against your own salvation that is ONLY found in the LORD Jesus Christ.

Salvation is in SUBMITTING to the words of the LORD Jesus Christ.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

@DavidTree DOES NOT want @Runningman to burn in hell forever.
@Runningman DOES NOT want @DavidTree to burn in hell forever.
Nobody here, in this Forum, wants them to burn in hell forever.
But most importantly, God, our Father, does not want them to burn in hell forever.

So, if nobody wants that, and certainly not God, who is infinitely more loving than any of us in this Forum, where are the accusers?
It is about time to rejoice in the grace of God, his undeserved gift of life, knowing that we will be with Him forever.
Joy, not fear.

 

[DavidTree]

@DavidTree DOES NOT want @Runningman to burn in hell forever.
@Runningman DOES NOT want @DavidTree to burn in hell forever.
Nobody here, in this Forum, wants them to burn in hell forever.
But most importantly, God, our Father, does not want them to buen in hell forever.

So, if nobody wants that, and certainly not God, who is infinitely more loving than any of us in this Forum, we must rejoice in the grace of God, knowing that we will be with Him forever.
Joy, not fear.

There is only ONE WAY to the FATHER that we can escape His Wrath = LORD Jesus Christ

“If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true. There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses of Me is true. You have sent to John, and he has borne witness to the truth.
Yet I do not receive testimony from man, but I say these things that you may be saved. He was the burning and shining lamp, and you were willing for a time to rejoice in his light.
But I have a greater witness than John’s; for the works which the Father has given Me to finish—the very works that I do—bear witness of Me, that the Father has sent Me.
And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe. You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life."

 

[Runningman]

My judgment is not mine but the LORD's.

If you refuse my warning that is DIRECTLY from God's WORD, you argue against your own salvation that is ONLY found in the LORD Jesus Christ.

Salvation is in SUBMITTING to the words of the LORD Jesus Christ.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

But you preach a false gospel. I say directly what Jesus said is required for salvation. You say a philosophy and then decorate it with Bible verses which don't even say what you had originally said. I'll take my chances with Scripture. Good luck.

 

[Runningman]

@DavidTree DOES NOT want @Runningman to burn in hell forever.
@Runningman DOES NOT want @DavidTree to burn in hell forever.
Nobody here, in this Forum, wants them to burn in hell forever.
But most importantly, God, our Father, does not want them to burn in hell forever.

So, if nobody wants that, and certainly not God, who is infinitely more loving than any of us in this Forum, where are the accusers?
It is about time to rejoice in the grace of God, his undeserved gift of life, knowing that we will be with Him forever.
Joy, not fear.

I agree.

 

[mikesw]

Where does the word incarnation appear in the Bible? That would be your golden ticket to lay to rest the plausibility of your interpretation.

you are the one left with only reincarnation as the alternative to incarnation of the divine Son. I do not need more than scripture to reveal the Messiah. I do not need your philosophical preferences to limit how I share about the essence of the Son of God. If you have arguments against the essence of the Son of God, address those. If you have philosophical preferences on word usage, you will not be effective.

 

[DavidTree]

But you preach a false gospel. I say directly what Jesus said is required for salvation. You say a philosophy and then decorate it with Bible verses which don't even say what you had originally said. I'll take my chances with Scripture. Good luck.

If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true. There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses of Me is true. You have sent to John, and he has borne witness to the truth. Yet I do not receive testimony from man, but I say these things that you may be saved. He was the burning and shining lamp, and you were willing for a time to rejoice in his light. But I have a greater witness than John’s; for the works which the Father has given Me to finish—the very works that I do—bear witness of Me, that the Father has sent Me. And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

 

[mikesw]

If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true. There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses of Me is true. You have sent to John, and he has borne witness to the truth. Yet I do not receive testimony from man, but I say these things that you may be saved. He was the burning and shining lamp, and you were willing for a time to rejoice in his light. But I have a greater witness than John’s; for the works which the Father has given Me to finish—the very works that I do—bear witness of Me, that the Father has sent Me. And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

That is a great quote. I do not know any man that can promise and fulfill the provision of life to me unless he is the Life.