Runningman
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There is no one named the word in Genesis 1. The "word" is God's speaking. John 1:1-14 is about Jesus being created.
The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus
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The problem is not what Jesus or the gospels said. The problem is your attempt to interpret them.
DavidTree
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Time for TRUTH or Consequences
Whoever BELIEVES the Word of God is SAVED.
Whoever denies the Word of God is lost FOREVER.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was with God in the beginning.
Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.
In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.
The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
What do you mean / suggest by that?
That Jesus should have been showing off boasting in pride that He was God the Son?
Pride ?
Really?
Runningman
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The Father being the only true God isn’t an interpretation, but rather a direct quote from the Bible and it means what it says at face value. The problem is you don’t believe that at face value do you?
Runningman
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It’s just that Jesus was taught by the Father (John 8:28) because Jesus isn’t omniscient. When the man called him a good teacher in Mark 10, Jesus’ response was that only God is good. Jesus and God aren’t the same person.
Runningman
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In John 1:1 the Word isnt the definitive God in the Greek, nor the Creator in John 1:2,3 or the True Light in John 1:9. Furthermore, there is no mention of an incarnation in John 1 or sny prophecy about God becoming a man. Actually, God denied being a man in Hosea 11:9. You might actually be able to salvage logos theology if you had a clear examples of someone named the Word saying or doing anything in the Old Testament, but there’s nothing unfortunately. 1 John 1:1-3 calls the Word a thing.
Actually John 8:28 is another fact Jesus is God the Son, let's check in context.
John 8:22 So the Jews said, “Will he kill himself, since he says, ‘Where I am going, you cannot come’?”
John 8:23 He [Jesus] said to them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”
John 8:25 So they said to him, “Who are you?” Jesus said to them, “Just what I have been telling you from the beginning.
John 8:26 I have much to say about you and much to judge, but he who sent me is true, and I declare to the world what I have heard from him.”
John 8:27 They did not understand that he had been speaking to them about the Father.
John 8:28 So Jesus said to them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me.
John 8:29 And he who sent me is with me. He has not left me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to him.”
What did Jesus mean by I am He ?
When does the penny drops?
Runningman
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The gospels speaks of Jesus being the messiah and son of God, but nothing about “God the Son” or “God Himself.”
The question was - What did Jesus mean by I am He ?
. God the Father
. God the Son
. God the Holy Spirit
3 distinct persons and they are ONE.
Your options.
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DavidTree
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Whoever BELIEVES the Word of God is SAVED = John 3:16
Whoever denies the Word of God is LOST FOREVER = John 3:18
Where do you want to spend Eternity???
a.) Lake of FIRE
b.) JOY, PEACE and seeing the SAVIOR who died on the Cross for your sins
"God denied being a man in Hosea 11:9" = TRUTH = God was never a man in Eternity past.
In the beginning was the WORD, the WORD was with GOD and the WORD was GOD and the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us.
Immanuel = GOD with us
Here 'LIES' the 'problem, your own unbelief = "The problem is you don’t believe that at face value, do you?"
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I could believe your reading if I had not read more of the bible than that one verse. I indeed need more than face value. Scripture, for those wanting to be accurate, requires study.
Runningman
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Runningman
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Your theology can’t coexist with the plain text, face value, reading of John 17:3; that’s why you’ve been calling Jesus’ words an interpretation.
Runningman
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There are simply too many fallacies to untangle with you. Just try reading Jesus' teachings. He taught there is only one God, the Father, in John 17:3. He only ever taught people to pray to the Father in Matthew 6:6,9, only ever taught fasting for the Father in Matthew 6:16-18, only ever taught people to worship the Father in John 4:23,24. He denied being God, too, especially in Mark 10:18. No one ever anything about Jesus being the God we worship or pray to or is the creator. So you're completely missing the point of all of these verses. I don't believe you can be helped. You're heavily indoctrinated into Trinitarianism and cling onto it even after you've been proven wrong.
Here's a question... how do you know that John 17:3 isn't meant to be believed for what it says at face value? You're going to be in a lot of trouble if you missed that. Are you willing to risk your soul for an Internet forum debate?
John 5
24Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life.
John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
Your theology cannot exist with John 17:5. That is pretty bad lack of context in your interpretation. Removing a verse from its context two verses away is a grand failure of exegesis.
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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Very strange that often men will try and say , oh it was another word that became flesh
Or that JESUS as a man himself was created .
YET did that same one WHILE WALKING IN THE FLESH
say BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS I AM .
HE said that while walking the earth in the form of a man .
Before abraham was I AM . But many like to make beleive that somehow a word was created
and took on human flesh . THE WORD was who , notice i said WHO became flesh and not WHAT became flesh .
FOR THE WORD of GOD , THE SPIRIT of GOD is not a what , HE is a WHO . And GOD was the WORD .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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IS GOD LIFE .
Yes .
I AM THE RESSURECTION .
Jesus IS THE RESSURECTION . many do not understand that GOD IS HIS OWN ESSENCE .
As life came forth OF HE WHO IS LIFE by THE SPIRIT BY HIS WORD , which would later take on human flesh
TO DO what no man could do . SAVE US , to save those who do beleive .
WITH MAN this is impossible . WITH MAN this is impossible .
No angel was sent
no mere man was created either .
FOR WITH MAN it is impossible , but NOT WITH GOD .
HE who had created all
HAD to save HIS OWN creation and no man can save himself . BUT GOD CAN , JESUS CAN .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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GOD is LIGHT and in him is no darkness .
And the LORD JESUS is the LIGHT THEREOF
GOD IS TRUTH
Jesus , I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE .
GOD is His SPIRIT , HE IS HIS WORD .
He whom GOD the Father rose from the dead .
I have power to lay it down and i have power to Raise it up .
LOOK at the langauge .
I am ALPHA and omega , first and the last and besides me THERE IS NO other god .
I am the first and the last , which was dead but now alive ................
Shew us the Father .
HOW LONG HAVE I BEEN WITH YOU ..............and yet ye say shew us the Father
IF ye have seen me You have SEEN the FATHER .
And i john saw no temple , for GOD AND THE LAMB are the temple thereof .........
and the GLORY of GOD did lighten it . And the lamb is the Glory of God .
HE is his own essence, HE is His word , HE is His spirit and He created all that was and is .......
And now a lovely reminder written a long , long time ago .
He had come to die on a cross made of wood
and yet had made the hill upon which IT STOOD .
TO THE TRENCHES one and all .
Runningman
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Even if we pre-tend that John 17:5 is literal, then yes, John 17:3 can still co-exist with John 17:5. Pre-existing in the literal sense does not require someone pre-existing as God. Another epic failure on your part. Care to take another swing?
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