dwight92070
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"for unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." John 8:24
The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus
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Pancho Frijoles
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I’m reminding you, DavidTee, that you are a beloved son of God and my brother.
That you will enjoy paradise with Runningman and me, and that the three of us will love each other with unspeakable love forever.
Pancho Frijoles
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I believe Jesus is what He said He was. No more and no less: the Anointed, the Son of God. And I prove my faith in him by following his comandment.
I will not die in my sins, Dwight, and neither will you. I am in the hands of God, just like you.
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Like Father like Son. I do not see where you deny the divinity of Christ in the Godhead here. I see nothing unexpected that the Father gives the Son all these things. However, I do not know of anyone else who walked the earth who claimed to have life in himself so that we too could have life. You keep thinking as if God's Son is just a man and that distorts everything else you do in trying to interpret scripture.
We will all be enjoying Paradise by continuously praying to and worshipping the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. What a glorious sight that will be!
Runningman
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Give it up already. You have a false gospel with your "believe Jesus is God" mumbo jumbo. I challenge you to produce one verse that says otherwise, not for my benefit, but for your own self-discovery. Maybe if you realize that the Bible doesn't say what you say on your own you will not reject it.
Runningman
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Jesus never claimed to inherently have life in himself. He said the life he had was granted to him. Do you understand that? The fact that Jesus got his way, truth, and life like everyone else does is a powerful testament to him not being God.
Great. Jesus in his divinity got Life and became Life for us through the Father. Like Father Like Son. The divine features passed to the only begotten Son. Again, we confirm Christ in the Godhead. The obvious problem you miss is that life to us only comes to us through Jesus. That is the issue against Pancho Frijoles' mistaken view. You really like to modify scripture for your own misconceptions. It is a false messiah who claims to be the way, the truth, and the life., beyond Jesus' legitimate declaration since he is the Son of god,
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TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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as in every word . that is right my friend . And i sure seem to remember him saying from heaven
I am alpha and omega , the first and the last . Sure hope folks stop calling HIM a liar . OR THEY WILL FACE JUDGMENT
with no mercy . we cant call him a liar and then expect him to save us and not to rather JUDGE US
AS he warned MY WORDS SHALL BE YOUR JUDGE .
Runningman
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Yes it will collapse and you're already witnessing it. The public eye doesn't carefully discern between Trinitarianism and Christianity. They divide us all up into sects, denomination, sub-denominations, etc and put them all under a few different categories (Catholicism, Protestantism, Restorationists) which all get nestled under the umbrella of Christianity at the end. However, the vast majority are indeed Trinitarian and they are losing numbers so much at this point that it's noteworthy. To the undiscerning eye, Christianity itself may be shrinking. That really isn't the case in my belief, but rather people are waking up to what the truth is.
Also, don't let the galvanized and often radicalized hardcore three-in-one believers skew your perception of what they are all like. There are literally a few dozen of the exact same zealots on all of the Internet boards. Normal Trinitarians are not much like them. I know a few personally and they are among the nicest and neighborly people I have ever met in my life, albeit truth-resistant still.
Anyway, God bless you Pancho. Thank you.
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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My words are spirit and they are life .
My words shall be your judge on the last day . HE SAID I AM ALPHA and OMEGA , first and the last .
He said many things . But it sure seems that most men love to simply pick and choose a few things HE said
WHILE OMITTING other things . THEM words GONNA BE THEIR JUDGE and they have no idea how TRUE this is .
VERY scary for them . as for us , WE shall live by EVERY WORD OF THE LORD . GOD cannot lie , men sure can , BUT NOT HIM .
Runningman
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Jesus was referring to his life in general that he was granted by God. Jesus is a human among billions who were granted life by God. There is nothing regarding the alleged deity of Jesus unless your point is you believe everyone is God. Otherwise, you would have a pantheon, not a trinity.
Don't believe still? Paul was clear that God is the life giver to all living creatures. He also directly stated the God is not a created human like Jesus is nor served by human hands like Jesus has. Paul concludes that God commands all to repent for this ignorance. You still to be missing all of the points in Scripture that make your presentation of Jesus an impossibility. Side note, only the Father is ever called the Lord of heaven and earth (Matt 11:25)
Acts 17 (ESV)
24The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man, 25nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything. 26And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, 27that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us, 28for
“‘In him we live and move and have our being’;
as even some of your own poets have said,
“‘For we are indeed his offspring.’
29Being then God’s offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man. 30The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, 31because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”
Indeed, it seems possible people are being deceived away from Christ in greater numbers in this era of deception. If your cult is increasing, it still is a minority cult that tickles the ears of sheep who have escaped the protection of the Shepherd.
You really try hard to deceive yourself and others. You want to use Paul's words to pagans as if this were central Christian doctrine. How could you be any more desperate to deceive than making that passage your argument. The more you share the more evil that is exposed in your words.
DavidTree
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In order for you and Runningman to enter into eternal life, you both MUST do just as i have done = Believe the Word that was God
No one one is saved by religion or good works.
Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. 14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
DavidTree
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The TRUTH is that the LORD Jesus Christ died for the sins of the entire world.
In order for anyone to enter into eternal life they MUST believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for HE is the One who took upon Himself the Punishment
of our sins.(David, Pancho, Run-in-man)
Right now, there seems to be only myself out of the three of us that has fully embraced Salvation thru the Lord Jesus Christ.
@Pancho Frijoles, do you equate Jesus as a man no different then all other men???
John 5:26–27 (ESV)
26For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself.
27And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man.
There is nothing wrong about a father granting something to his son. This definitely says the Son has life in himself. He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. There are not people other than the Son of God who have life in themselves.
Runningman
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Even though Unitarianism is true Christianity, based on the strict monotheism that the Bible teaches, it's better to call it Unitarianism right now so it can be easily distinguished from Trinitarianism which is actually just a big cult. In Unitarianism, there actually are no "itching ears" doctrines. Actually, Unitarians tend to take a more conditional grace approach to Christianity whereby in the end the final judgement is entirely works based and those who are deemed worthy will not only be resurrected, but inherit eternal life to never die again. Means there is the possibility one can apostatize and thus lose their sin sacrifice.
As opposed to Trinitarianism, there are miscellaneous doctrines that enable believers to justify their License to Sin because they are Once Saved Always Saved. Calvin and the bunch are problem the worst example of the false teacher who has led you all astray. Are you a Calvinist by any chance?
ah. you admit to more heresy. You have a works-based religion. So you keep adding heresy upon heresy. It is not surprising though. Once you deny the truth about Christ Jesus, all other doctrine that follows is also corrupted.
By itching ears, I mean that you prey on Christians who have not sufficiently learned about Christ Jesus as being divine in the Godhead. You use that to lead them astray in other doctrines too. At least you are sharing more about the heresy than Peterlag does. But I think he has some other weird Unitarian-derived conception of some sort of alternative spirit involved in the Unitarian's lives.
Runningman
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Just look at all of the points Paul makes in Acts 17:24-31. Paul didn't believe Jesus is God. Paul taught that the God who made everything also gave life to all people. The Scripture teaches that God gave life to Jesus in John 1:9,10 and John 5:26. Additionally, Paul taught that God's children are His offspring. Jesus is also God's offspring. After that, Paul was clear that the Divine Being is not like gold, silver, or stone. So of course his point is that God isn't a material being made of elements, compounds, etc like humans. Paul was very clear here. In other words, Jesus is not God because he's a human. Paul summed it all up and suggested that believing otherwise is a sin that God is commanding all to repent of. So yes there is a powerful argument to make that you are an unrepentant idolator who will come under judgement "by a man whom he has appointed."
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