The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

Where does the Bible or Jesus tell us NOT to pray to Jesus?
Just like, where does the Bible tell us that if we have believed, but have NOT been baptized, we shall be condemned?
 
you are the one left with only reincarnation as the alternative to incarnation of the divine Son. I do not need more than scripture to reveal the Messiah. I do not need your philosophical preferences to limit how I share about the essence of the Son of God. If you have arguments against the essence of the Son of God, address those. If you have philosophical preferences on word usage, you will not be effective.
I dominate the high ground. You are using an argument from silence fallacy.
 
If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true. There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses of Me is true. You have sent to John, and he has borne witness to the truth. Yet I do not receive testimony from man, but I say these things that you may be saved. He was the burning and shining lamp, and you were willing for a time to rejoice in his light. But I have a greater witness than John’s; for the works which the Father has given Me to finish—the very works that I do—bear witness of Me, that the Father has sent Me. And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
Your witness it not with Scripture. you have nothing from the Bible about a trinity. You just have a bunch of verses you have strung together and said "it means the trinity" when no one of standing in Scripture repeated what you said. You're not one of them. You're of a different group than Jesus and his disciples.
 
I dominate the high ground. You are using an argument from silence fallacy.
You are misconstruing the argument from silence fallacy. You are denying that Jesus is deity because he did not say it in the way you would recognize it. You have ears but cannot hear. I testify that the scriptures are abundant in testimony of the deity of Christ, so I am arguing from abundance, not from silence. You even get the fallacy issue backwards
 
You are misconstruing the argument from silence fallacy. You are denying that Jesus is deity because he did not say it in the way you would recognize it. You have ears but cannot hear. I testify that the scriptures are abundant in testimony of the deity of Christ, so I am arguing from abundance, not from silence. You even get the fallacy issue backwards
You're talking about an alleged incarnation based off of a single verse that suddenly, abruptly, and without precedence supposedly happened when nothing else about it is mentioned anywhere else in the Bible. Yeah, that's an argument from silence.
 
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You're talking about an alleged incarnation based off of a single verse that suddenly, abruptly, and without precedence supposedly happened when nothing else about it is mentioned anywhere else in the Bible. Yeah, that's an argument from silence.
what can I say when you do not even know what an argument from silence is? Here I thought you would have known the arguments for the trinity doctrine. But since you do not know them, it is assumed you are arguing out of ignorance. The verse in discussion (John 17:5) is in our discussion to discredit your isolation of john 17:3. You isolate John 17:3 because of some experience or encounter with what you think was God. You have not substantiated a Unitarian view.
 
what can I say when you do not even know what an argument from silence is? Here I thought you would have known the arguments for the trinity doctrine. But since you do not know them, it is assumed you are arguing out of ignorance. The verse in discussion (John 17:5) is in our discussion to discredit your isolation of john 17:3. You isolate John 17:3 because of some experience or encounter with what you think was God. You have not substantiated a Unitarian view.
Um, an argument from silence means you are expressing a conclusion that is based on the absence of statements. Let's look at it.

1. You have nothing in the Old Testament that suggests God would incarnate as a man
2. No prophecies that would hint at the Messiah being God
3. No one talked about Jesus pre-existing as God before coming a man
4. No direct statements about an incarnation
5. No verses with the word incarnation in the Bible.

Yes, your theology regarding this point is fallacious reasoning. It's all philosophy about what you believe. You simply attach verses to it and call it Scripture when it is not. It's no different than you feathering yourself and calling yourself a chicken. You're fooling no one.
 
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Where does the Bible or Jesus tell us NOT to pray to Jesus?
Just like, where does the Bible tell us that if we have believed, but have NOT been baptized, we shall be condemned?
This is an appeal to ignorance, i.e., the Bible doesn't say not to therefore it's ok to do it. This is backwards thinking and considered a logical fallacy.
 
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Um, an argument from silence means you are expressing a conclusion that is based on the absence of statements. Let's look at it.

1. You have nothing in the Old Testament that suggests God would incarnate as a man
2. No prophecies that would hint at the Messiah being God
3. No one talked about Jesus pre-existing as God before coming a man
4. No direct statements about an incarnation
5. No verses with the word incarnation in the Bible.

Yes, your theology regarding this point is fallacious reasoning. It's all philosophy about what you believe. You simply attach verses to it and call it Scripture when it is not. It's no different than you feathering yourself and calling yourself a chicken. You're fooling no one.
We have shown plenty of verses pointing to the eventual incarnation of the Son of God. That this does not satisfy the way you would expect it to be revealed is not our problem even though we have shared plenty. All you do is provide weak alternative theories about stuff like John 1, John 17:5, and so many others. These texts are all in place and available for those who will listen. John 1 is basic logic. if A= B and B=C then A=C. Christ Jesus is the Word who God who became flesh. If there is a better word than "incarnation" to explain all that, then we can consider using that word instead.
If you can offer other explanations of why Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life apart from being the divine Son in the Godhead, you can try to defend the alternative ideas, but you have proven to be unconvincing despite repeating the same ideas over and over again.
 
There is only ONE WAY to the FATHER that we can escape His Wrath = LORD Jesus Christ
Hi DavidTree

Runningman also believes that. He also believes that the passage you have quoted is inspired by God.
So, I respectfully ask you to publicly acknowledge that

  1. Runningman does not want to burn in hell
  2. You, David Tree, do not want him to burn in hell
  3. God, our Father, does not want him to burn in hell.
 
Hi DavidTree

Runningman also believes that. He also believes that the passage you have quoted is inspired by God.
So, I respectfully ask you to publicly acknowledge that

  1. Runningman does not want to burn in hell
  2. You, David Tree, do not want him to burn in hell
  3. God, our Father, does not want him to burn in hell.
Good Afternoon,

Read Runningman's posts, as he does NOT believe the Holy Scriptures.

Run-in-man spends his time ranting against the words of Christ, against the Apostles, and against Genesis.

That is not faith in God and CANNOT save a person.
 
Good Afternoon,

Read Runningman's posts, as he does NOT believe the Holy Scriptures.

Run-in-man spends his time ranting against the words of Christ, against the Apostles, and against Genesis.

That is not faith in God and CANNOT save a person.
However, what I asked you, my friend, to acknowledge is that YOU don't want him to burn in hell, and that God does not want him to burn in hell.
Is this true?
 
Hi DavidTree

Runningman also believes that. He also believes that the passage you have quoted is inspired by God.
So, I respectfully ask you to publicly acknowledge that

  1. Runningman does not want to burn in hell
  2. You, David Tree, do not want him to burn in hell
  3. God, our Father, does not want him to burn in hell.
Yes you're right I agree.
 
Good Afternoon,

Read Runningman's posts, as he does NOT believe the Holy Scriptures.

Run-in-man spends his time ranting against the words of Christ, against the Apostles, and against Genesis.

That is not faith in God and CANNOT save a person.
I believe the Scriptures. Will you publicly acknowledge that there is nothing in Scripture that says the Gospel is about believing Jesus is God?
 
We have shown plenty of verses pointing to the eventual incarnation of the Son of God. That this does not satisfy the way you would expect it to be revealed is not our problem even though we have shared plenty. All you do is provide weak alternative theories about stuff like John 1, John 17:5, and so many others. These texts are all in place and available for those who will listen. John 1 is basic logic. if A= B and B=C then A=C. Christ Jesus is the Word who God who became flesh. If there is a better word than "incarnation" to explain all that, then we can consider using that word instead.
Perhaps those mean something you haven't yet considered? I would strongly recommend not using the argument from silence fallacy to explain this. You should use something more solid.

If you can offer other explanations of why Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life apart from being the divine Son in the Godhead, you can try to defend the alternative ideas, but you have proven to be unconvincing despite repeating the same ideas over and over again.
Yes. Did you know Jesus got his way, truth, and life from God. It was never inherently his according to Scripture. It seems you don't believe anything the Bible directly says. You have your spin you put on everything then you get on your high horse and pretend its unquestionable and infallible.

Jesus got his way from God

John 5​
19Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Jesus got his truth from God
John 8​
40But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.​

Jesus got his life from God:
John 5​
26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
 
However, what I asked you, my friend, to acknowledge is that YOU don't want him to burn in hell, and that God does not want him to burn in hell.
Is this true?

Please consider there is a side of him that probably wants me to die or burn. It's a very common trinitarian reaction to condemn their debate opponents to hell. I am sure you being Baháʼí have experienced that as well.
 
Please consider there is a side of him that probably wants me to die or burn. It's a very common trinitarian reaction to condemn their debate opponents to hell. I am sure you being Baháʼí have experienced that as well.

That's exactly the dilemma of a sectarian thought.

Sectarians are committed to think that God will be fair, just, in sending you and me to hell to be tortured forever, if we die believing as we believe now.
So, they can't say now "I don't want this to happen to Runningman and Pancho" when they know they would applaud and praise God for showing his justice in sending both of us to torture.

Sectarian thought is doomed, because it is false and evil. It will keep collapsing across societies and religions.
I feel my duty to help in that collapse. The collapse of the feet of clay and iron, so that the rock of God may fill the earth.

Count on me always, my friend. Regardless of our theological differences. I will defend your right to be respected as a child of God, and I will not hesitate in exhibiting genocidal ideologies whenever I find them.
 
However, what I asked you, my friend, to acknowledge is that YOU don't want him to burn in hell, and that God does not want him to burn in hell.
Is this true?
@Runningman says in his Post 2995:
I believe the Scriptures. Will you publicly acknowledge that there is nothing in Scripture that says the Gospel is about believing Jesus is God?

Case CLOSED and Judgment awaits all who speak against the LORD and His Gospel.

@Pancho Frijoles, i am reminding you that disregarding HIM who is "the Way the Truth and the Life" will leave you outside of the Kingdom for all eternity.
By your own choosing.

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
 
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