The Bible does not teach to pray to Jesus

[Runningman]

The "Lord" in Acts 2:21 is in reference to Jesus.
Acts 2:21
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the Name of the Lord shall be saved.
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized each one of you in the Name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other Name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


When Luke uses the expression, "the Name of the Lord" in the Book of Acts it is always in reference to Jesus -> take special note of Acs 9:27-28.
Acts 2:21
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the Name of the Lord shall be saved
Acts 8:16
For as yet He was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 9:27-28
(27) But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord on the road, and that He had spoken to him, and how he had spoken boldly at Damascus in the Name of Jesus.
(28) And he was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem. And he spoke boldly in the Name of the Lord.
Acts 19:5
When they heard this, they were baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 19:13
Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to name over those who had evil spirits the Name of the Lord Jesus, saying, I adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
Acts 19:17
And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the Name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.
Acts 21:13
Then Paul answered, What mean ye to weep and to break my heart? For I am ready not to be bound only, but also to die at Jerusalem for
the Name of the Lord Jesus.



Calling on the Lord in Scripture always means to pray to Him.



Acts 2:21 is an exact quotation from Joel 3:5 of the Septuagint -> 2:32 in our English Bibles.
καὶ ἔσται πᾶς ὃς ἂν ἐπικαλέσηται τὸ ὄνομα κυρίου σωθήσεται
Thus, Peter (recorded by Luke) affirmed praying to the Lord Jesus as being YHWH.

Calling on the name of the LORD equals calling on the name of YHWH. Jesus isn't YHWH is Psalm 2:7 and Psalm 110:1.

YHWH is the God and Father of Jesus. They are not the same person. Check out the cross references for these verses.

Hebrews 1​

5For to which of the angels did God ever say: “You are My Son; today I have become Your Father”c?​

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13Yet to which of the angels did God ever say: “Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”j?​

Let's check out Joel 2:32. See, that isn't Jesus. That's YHWH.

Joel 2​

32And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved;i​

Calling isn't a prayer in Genesis 2:19, Genesis 46:33, etc. So calling doesn't necessarily mean praying.

Referring to "on the name" also applies to others who are not God. You quoted many fine examples above where it's used of Jesus and not God and it's also in Exodus 33:17, Exodus 35:30, Joshua 21:9, to call on someone or something who isn't God.

So you have not demonstrated that Jesus is ever prayed to.

Anything else?

 

[Runningman]

What is stated is however easily identified as prayer

Only by ignoring that can you deny Jesus is prayed to

It's not easily identified as prayer. It lacks the advantage of being called prayer. Only the Father is taught to be prayed to in Scripture. Sorry. I don't know what to tell you. I have been trying to help you people see Trinitarianism is false and very few people have been able to deal with this reality.

 

[Runningman]

That can be debated

Acts 1:24 (KJV 1900) — 24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

As Lord is a title of Christ

also calling on the lord is prayer

However it is certain Jesus was in fact prayed to as shown by previous scripture


You appear to be framing once again

A stronger argument is that they prayed to the Father since all other examples of prayer and the teaching about prayer prior to this refer to the Father. Kinda random to just suddenly assign Acts 1:24-25 to Jesus isn't it? After Acts 1:24-25 they prayed to the Sovereign Lord in Acts 4:23-27 and not Jesus.

So Acts 1 :24-25 can be a prayer to the Father. Do you agree that's possible?

 

[civic]

A stronger argument is that they prayed to the Father since all other examples of prayer and the teaching about prayer prior to this refer to the Father. Kinda random to just suddenly assign Acts 1:24-25 to Jesus isn't it? After Acts 1:24-25 they prayed to the Sovereign Lord in Acts 4:23-27 and not Jesus.

So Acts 1 :24-25 can be a prayer to the Father. Do you agree that's possible?

Lord in Acts is Christ. He is the One Lord, Only Sovereign and Lord according to the Apostles teaching.

Next

 

[Fred]

Calling on the name of the LORD equals calling on the name of YHWH.

Agree.
This proves Jesus is YHWH.

Jesus isn't YHWH is Psalm 2:7 and Psalm 110:1.

Bad grammar, and you totally dodged the evidence I gave that the "Lord" in Acts 2:21 refers to Jesus.

Typical.

Keep hiding.

 

[David Koberstein]

If I have such a big problem, why are you spending so much time in many comments over many days calling me a moron, suggesting I die, have a miserable life, leave the forum, etc? For the record, none of that bothers me. I still love you and hope you stay happy, healthy, and wealthy. You can take your anger out on me if you wish. I can take it. I hope it helps heal you.

Again I am not angry. I hate that people like you distort Scripture. Yes I have put to much time into your heresy. I probably need to put you on ignore, so I will not have to view your
warped ramblings and waste my precious time.
Shalom

 

[Runningman]

Lord in Acts is Christ. He is the One Lord, Only Sovereign and Lord according to the Apostles teaching.

Next

I'm going with the Father as the one they prayed to in Acts 1:24-25. I have betters reasons than you do why this is the case.

 

[Runningman]

Agree.
This proves Jesus is YHWH.

So Jesus is not YHWH in all of Scripture except Acts 2:21? That doesn't make sense. YHWH is a name, not a title.

Bad grammar, and you totally dodged the evidence I gave that the "Lord" in Acts 2:21 refers to Jesus.

Typical.

Keep hiding.

Good grammar. Jesus' name isn't YHWH anywhere in Scripture. Your point is completely unrelated to this topic.

 

[Runningman]

Again I am not angry. I hate that people like you distort Scripture. Yes I have put to much time into your heresy. I probably need to put you on ignore, so I will not have to view your
warped ramblings and waste my precious time.
Shalom

Yes if you hate the truth please feel free to put me on ignore. When you're ready my door will stay open as always. I learned that from Jesus. Your teachings are sacrilege.

 

[synergy]

In the communion service Jesus didn't offer the prayer to himself. He gave thanks to the Father like all Christians are taught to.

Matthew 26
27Then He took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying,

Where in Jesus' Communion Prayer does he say to ONLY give thanks to the Father? Where in Luke 22:14-21 is the word "Father" even mentioned? Your Judaizing presuppositions are again blinding you to the truth. Jesus is praying to God who Jesus declared himself to be in John 8:58. That makes sense because Jesus is one of the 3 Persons in the Trinity. Trinitarianism demolishes the Judaizing heresy once again.

14 When the hour had come, He sat down, and the twelve apostles with Him.
15 Then He said to them, “With fervent desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer;
16 for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”
17 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, “Take this and divide it among yourselves;
18 for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
19 And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”
20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.
21 But behold, the hand of My betrayer is with Me on the table. 22 And truly the Son of Man goes as it has been determined, but woe to that man by whom He is betrayed!”

Colossians 1
12giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the light.

This verse's context is not the Communion of Christ. Are you saying that whenever anyone gives thanks, there's a Communion Service going on? You're so silly.

 

[Runningman]

Where in Jesus' Communion Prayer does he say to ONLY give thanks to the Father? Where in Luke 22:14-21 is the word "Father" even mentioned? Your Judaizing presuppositions are again blinding you to the truth. Jesus is praying to God who Jesus declared himself to be in John 8:58. That makes sense because Jesus is one of the 3 Persons in the Trinity. Trinitarianism demolishes the Judaizing heresy once again.

14 When the hour had come, He sat down, and the twelve apostles with Him.
15 Then He said to them, “With fervent desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer;
16 for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”
17 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, “Take this and divide it among yourselves;
18 for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
19 And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”
20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.
21 But behold, the hand of My betrayer is with Me on the table. 22 And truly the Son of Man goes as it has been determined, but woe to that man by whom He is betrayed!”

It's a memorial service for Jesus' death. God didn't die and memorial services aren't done for God.

1 Cor. 11
26For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.

This verse's context is not the Communion of Christ. Are you saying that whenever anyone gives thanks, there's a Communion Service going on? You're so silly.

Ha! no that is not my point.

 

[synergy]

It's a memorial service for Jesus' death. God didn't die and memorial services aren't done for God.

Back to your strawman once again I see. Nobody said that God died.

So my points stands. Jesus' Communion Prayer does NOT say to ONLY give thanks to the Father. In fact, nowhere in Luke 22:14-21 is the word "Father" even mentioned. Your Judaizing presuppositions are again blinding you to the truth.

1 Cor. 11
26For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.

Ha! no that is not my point.

Ha ha! Your Judaizing points have crashed and burned.

 

[TomL]

A stronger argument is that they prayed to the Father since all other examples of prayer and the teaching about prayer prior to this refer to the Father. Kinda random to just suddenly assign Acts 1:24-25 to Jesus isn't it? After Acts 1:24-25 they prayed to the Sovereign Lord in Acts 4:23-27 and not Jesus.

So Acts 1 :24-25 can be a prayer to the Father. Do you agree that's possible?

No Sorry you are simply ignoring the evidence

Jesus is the one lord

1 Corinthians 8:6 (NASB 2020) — 6 yet for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

Stephen prayed lord Jesus

Paul called Jesus Lord

But most of all context

Acts 1:21 (NASB 2020) — 21 Therefore it is necessary that of the men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us—

Case closed

 

[TomL]

It's not easily identified as prayer. It lacks the advantage of being called prayer. Only the Father is taught to be prayed to in Scripture. Sorry. I don't know what to tell you. I have been trying to help you people see Trinitarianism is false and very few people have been able to deal with this reality.

Um it appears to me you are clearly in denial

Acts 7:59–60 (NASB 2020) — 59 They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” 60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” Having said this, he fell asleep.

 

[David Koberstein]

No Sorry you are simply ignoring the evidence

Jesus is the one lord

1 Corinthians 8:6 (NASB 2020) — 6 yet for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

Stephen prayed lord Jesus

Paul called Jesus Lord

But most of all context

Acts 1:21 (NASB 2020) — 21 Therefore it is necessary that of the men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us—

Case closed

The main objective of Unitarians is to strip Yeshua of his divinity. The evidence is on the Internet and I posted some of it a couple of days ago on this forum.
Shalom

 

[TomL]

The main objective of Unitarians is to strip Yeshua of his divinity. The evidence is on the Internet and I posted some of it a couple of days ago on this forum.
Shalom

Yes but their case here is obviously weak

 

[Fred]

So Jesus is not YHWH in all of Scripture except Acts 2:21?

Your attempt to run away from the proof from Acts 2:21 is obvious.

Keep hiding.

 

[TomL]

So Jesus is not YHWH in all of Scripture except Acts 2:21? That doesn't make sense. YHWH is a name, not a title.

I think we have seen by now Acts 2:21 is not the only New Testament passage which applies to Jesus what the Old Testament applies to YHWH

 

[Fred]

I think we have seen by now Acts 2:21 is not the only New Testament passage which applies to Jesus what the Old Testament applies to YHWH

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/prayer.114/#post-4761

 

[Runningman]

Back to your strawman once again I see. Nobody said that God died.

Good. Then Jesus isn’t God.

So my points stands. Jesus' Communion Prayer does NOT say to ONLY give thanks to the Father. In fact, nowhere in Luke 22:14-21 is the word "Father" even mentioned. Your Judaizing presuppositions are again blinding you to the truth.

Your point is moot. It doesn’t say they prayed to Jesus or that they did in example.

Ha ha! Your Judaizing points have crashed and burned.

You’re making this too easy for me.