Salvation and Unitarians

[101G]

Jesus denied being God every time.

first point, John 5:16-18. he is EQUAL ... "WITH" .... note WITH, not to, but with, with, with, is correct. listen and Learn, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." and now the revelation, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." just as John in 1:1 reported ... "the Word was "WITH", 1:1b, and was God, 1:1c... Bingo

now as for John 5:19 "Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise."

in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') State, he do nothing on his own because he's the ARM OF GOD. no one's arm act on its own. no, it gets directions from the head.

now let's Stop here for a second because 101G has a lot to say here. let's discuss John 5

101G.

 

[101G]

first point, the Lord Jesus here is in human flesh in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') State. now the question, I asked this before. is the title Father biologically or spiritually, which one.

101G.

 

[101G]

@Wrangler
your video stated the Lord Jesus denied he was God when asked. John 8:53 "Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?" John 8:54 "Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:" (READ THAT AGAIN). John 8:55 "Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying." John 8:56 "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad." John 8:57 "Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?" John 8:58 "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

101G.

 

[Wrangler]

first point, John 5:16-18. he is EQUAL ... "WITH" .... note WITH, not to, but with, with, with, is correct.

Wrong. You are taking what the erroneous Jews incorrectly thought as true AND disregarding what our lord said in response!

Why stop at verse 18?

So Jesus explained, “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself. This is not the words of an EQUAL, all powerful God.

 

[Wrangler]

John 8:58 "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

I am is an expression that everyone uses. It is not a claim of deity.

 

[101G]

Wrong. You are taking what the erroneous Jews incorrectly thought as true AND disregarding what our lord said in response!

Why stop at verse 18?

So Jesus explained, “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself. This is not the words of an EQUAL, all powerful God.

GINOLJC, to all
when 101G say you're in ERROR, he backs it up with scripture, again, EQUAL WITH. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" and being EQUAL WITH God means he is God in the ECHAD as the FIRST and the LAST of himself in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK. supportive scripture, Isaiah 41:4 and Isaiah 48:12

now why stop at 18 ..... I did not, did you not understand? as the ARM of God he dose nothing of himself, supportive scripture, Isaiah 63:5.

sometimes you might want to READ before you answer.

101G.

 

[101G]

I am is an expression that everyone uses. It is not a claim of deity.

another ERROR on your Part, CONTEXT of the Discussion. John 8:56 "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad." John 8:57 "Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?" John 8:58 "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

if it's an expression that everyone uses ... as you say, was you before Abraham? no, but the Lord Jesus was. so your argument want work.... try again.

101G.

 

[101G]

@Wrangler,
Question, is the Lord Jesus... not the Christ, but the Lord Jesus, is he from this world? yes or no.

I'll be looking for your answer.

101G.

 

[Wrangler]

as the ARM of God

As the arm OF God, he is not God. Simple.

 

[Diserner]

I am is an expression that everyone uses. It is not a claim of deity.

Know anyone else who said "Before Abraham I am"?

I don't.

 

[101G]

As the arm OF God, he is not God. Simple.

do you even have the concept of God as his own "ARM" in the ECHAD, in a body of Flesh? guess not read 2 Chronicles 32 and get the understanding of the anthropomorphism God used in Isaiah 63:5.... (smile)... then get back with 101G.

`101G.

 

[Wrangler]

Know anyone else who said "Before Abraham I am"?

I don't.

Many. I said before Bernie, I am (next in line to use the rest room).

Funny how all you got is a back door rationalization for your doctrine. If your doctrine is so important, doesn't it bother you that there is not a trinity verse, a "Jesus is God" verse?

I find it amusing that trinitarians do not see significance in the complete absence of their doctrine in Scripture. If I wrote 66 books, I suspect I'd get around to talking about the central theme where the salvation of mankind depends on believing a contradiction. A verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever. But that's me.

 

[Diserner]

Many. I said before Bernie, I am (next in line to use the rest room).

False equivalence fallacy.

Before Abraham.

Before someone hundreds of years ago.

 

[Wrangler]

do you even have the concept of God as his own "ARM" in the ECHAD, in a body of Flesh?

Yes and it is radically different from your eisegesis.

 

[Wrangler]

False equivalence fallacy.

Before Abraham.

Before someone hundreds of years ago.

It's not a fallacy. Just context.

Having lost, you just want to move the goal post.

Jesus is not God. "I am" does not mean "I am God." It only means - in context - that he exists.

 

[101G]

Yes and it is radically different from your eisegesis.

how so?

101G.

 

[101G]

It's not a fallacy. Just context.

Having lost, you just want to move the goal post.

Jesus is not God. "I am" does not mean "I am God." It only means - in context - that he exists.

hundreds of years before Abraham? ..... (smile) .... lol, Oh dear

101G.

 

[Wrangler]

hundreds of years before Abraham?

Where do you get the idea that anybody who existed 100’s of years before Abraham means they are a god?

 

[101G]

Where do you get the idea that anybody who existed 100’s of years before Abraham means they are a god?

(smile), not a god, (which is an idol), but the "GOD", who is JESUS. you still don't KNOW... do you? understand, Jesus as the Ordinal First, (Father), made all men, including Adam. and it is Jesus as the Ordinal Last, (son), who REDEEMS and SAVE what he Made in the beginning. this is just too easy not to understand.

101G.

 

[Fred]

Acts 2:21 does not refer to Jesus.

In addition to the evidence presented in the following link, there is even more proof that the "Lord" in Acts 2:21 refers to Jesus.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-lord-in-acts.206/#post-3607


Acts 2:21
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the Name of the Lord shall be saved.


The expression "the Name of the Lord" is used a total of 6 additional times by Luke within The Book of Acts.
Acts 8:16
The Name of the Lord

Acts 9:28
The Name of the Lord

Acts 19:5
The Name of the Lord

Acts 19:13
The Name of the Lord

Acts 19:17
The Name of the Lord

Acts 21:13
The Name of the Lord

In all but one of the passages above the expression reads "The Name of the Lord Jesus" (8:16; 19:5, 13, 17; 21:13).



The only passage where it reads "The Name of the Lord" as it does in Acts 2:21 is Acts 9:28.
Acts 9:27-28
(27) But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord on the road, and that He had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the Name of Jesus.
(28) And he was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem. And he spoke boldly in the Name of the Lord.

Paul preached boldly in "the Name of Jesus" at Damascus (v. 27).
Paul continued speaking boldly in the Name of the same Lord in reference to Jesus at Jerusalem (v. 28).


Thus, every use of "The Name of the Lord" by Luke in The Book of Acts is in reference to the Lord Jesus.