Refuting effectually caused faith
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Obadiah
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That not your call. It's unbiblical.
Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand. Romans 14:4
We as Christians are not to despise or judge those who hold the opposite opinion. Christians are to tolerate each other.
Obadiah
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Just how many races did God create? One the human race.
brightfame52
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It is my call, we are in discussion, I can judge what you say 1 Jn 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try[judge] the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Obadiah
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That doesn't work. Look how it says to test the spirits. It's only about acknowledging that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. Also since we are in a discussion I have to be listening to you.
So your post is wrong
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
brightfame52
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The Faith of Gods Elect acknowledges the Truth unto Godliness
Titus 1:1-2
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
The faith given by God never shares its habitat with the faith of man. There is only room for one faith in a man and it is either his own faith or the faith of God. The faith of God cannot abide a false gospel, but only abides in the doctrine of Christ. The sole purpose for the existence of God’s faith is that it be given to His elect so that they will believe the truth and reject every false gospel.
The Holy Spirit produces the Faith of Gods elect in order that they will believe the Truth 2 Thess 2:13
13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Believing the Truth doctrinally is Godliness !
Titus 1:1-2
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
The faith given by God never shares its habitat with the faith of man. There is only room for one faith in a man and it is either his own faith or the faith of God. The faith of God cannot abide a false gospel, but only abides in the doctrine of Christ. The sole purpose for the existence of God’s faith is that it be given to His elect so that they will believe the truth and reject every false gospel.
The Holy Spirit produces the Faith of Gods elect in order that they will believe the Truth 2 Thess 2:13
13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Believing the Truth doctrinally is Godliness !
brightfame52
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Its not the old man but the New Man that believes in Jesus Eph 4:22-24
22;That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24;And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Yes its the renewed mind by the Spirit that receives, apprehends spiritual things
The New man acts from a pure Principle, from which arise holy, spiritual Actions such as Faith, Repentance unto God
22;That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24;And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Yes its the renewed mind by the Spirit that receives, apprehends spiritual things
The New man acts from a pure Principle, from which arise holy, spiritual Actions such as Faith, Repentance unto God
brightfame52
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No holy Acts can be exerted, in a Mind destitute of Holiness. Such as Faith, Repentance, and evangelical Obedience, hence we need a holy mind to cleave to a holy faith Jude 1:20
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
How can a unholy mind like we have by nature, submit to a holy Gospel, Doctrine of Faith ?
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
How can a unholy mind like we have by nature, submit to a holy Gospel, Doctrine of Faith ?
brightfame52
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Man is only able to believe the Gospel and the Spiritual things of God, only after by regeneration being delivered from the power of darkness Col 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
The word darkness means:
Also look at Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
There is no faith in Christ prior to being turned from darkness and the power of satan, first our eyes must be opened, that is to see the truth,
So faith in Christ in the salvation sense is all due to the power, mercy and grace of God, and not the so called freewill of man, who by nature is under the power of darkness and satan !
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
The word darkness means:
- darkness
- of night darkness
- of darkened eyesight or blindness
- metaph.
- of ignorance respecting divine things and human duties, and the accompanying ungodliness and immorality, together with their consequent misery in hell
Also look at Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
There is no faith in Christ prior to being turned from darkness and the power of satan, first our eyes must be opened, that is to see the truth,
So faith in Christ in the salvation sense is all due to the power, mercy and grace of God, and not the so called freewill of man, who by nature is under the power of darkness and satan !
