MTMattie
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Thank you.
Refuting effectually caused faith
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Give it a try and let me know how it works
His theology tells him otherwise and he heeds it over the word of God
civic
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Thank you !
brightfame52
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I have given verses, Faith is by Grace and Salvation is by Grace
MTMattie
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Do you have these cut and dried statements of your on a screen post it ready to copy and paste?
12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, [even] to those who believe in His name,
PAY ATTENTION.... these people were given the right to become children of God.... Who were... those who believed His name.
Believe first then it happens.
Acts 16: 31
31They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
PAY ATTENTION... Believing came first
brightfame52
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I have given verses, Faith is by Grace and Salvation is by Grace
The Jailor would believe by Grace, it would be given tohim Phil 1:29
29 For unto you it is given[grace] in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
See that ? The Jailor was part of that assembly. The word given is Grace charizomai
MTMattie
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What does Philippians 1:29 mean?
Paul clearly teaches that both believing and suffering were parts of faithful Christian living. His readers had likely already faced some persecution, and may have wondered why they had to suffer if they were faithfully living for God. Paul makes it clear that godliness and suffering often go together. There are times when we suffer, at the hands of the world, because we are following the will of God. The world hates the gospel, and it will naturally try to stamp it out (John 16:1–4). Second Timothy 3:12 says, "Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted."Paul will later note in Philippians 3:8 and 10, "For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ. … that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death." Christ is worthy of whatever suffering a believer may face. In Colossians 1:24, Paul would write, "Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake." First Peter 2:21 notes the role of suffering in this way: "For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps."
Context Summary
Philippians 1:19–30 shows Paul reflecting on two competing desires. On one hand, a believer wants to serve God and bring others to Christ through their life. On the other hand, a Christian yearns to leave suffering behind—to be with God in eternity. Paul concludes that it's better to live until God calls him home, so he can serve his fellow men. Paul also encourages the Philippians with his conviction that he will be released to see them again. His experiences, good or bad, are all adding to the glory of Jesus Christ.
now.. some differing translations on Phil1:29
Starting with
New Living Translation
For you have been given not only the privilege of trusting in Christ but also the privilege of suffering for him.
And now would be a good time for you to tell us all how you have suffered for Jesus. For that is what Paul was writing about to the Philippians
NOT ABOUT A GIFT OF FAITH
Keep reading......
New Living Translation
For you have been given not only the privilege of trusting in Christ but also the privilege of suffering for him.
Amplified Bible
For you have been granted [the privilege] for Christ’s sake, not only to believe and confidently trust in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,
Contemporary English Version
and he has blessed you. Not only do you have faith in Christ, but you suffer for him.
Smith's Literal Translation
For upon you was it conferred as a favor for Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for him;
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Date of Writing: The Book of Philippians was written in approximately A.D. 61.
Purpose of Writing: The Epistle to the Philippians, one of Paul’s prison epistles, was written in Rome. It was at Philippi, which the apostle visited on his second missionary journey (Acts 16:12), that Lydia and the Philippian jailer and his family were converted to Christ. Now, some few years later, the church was well established, as may be inferred from its address which includes “bishops (elders) and deacons” (Philippians 1:1).
The occasion of the epistle was to acknowledge a gift of money from the church at Philippi, brought to the apostle by Epaphroditus, one of its members (Philippians 4:10-18). This is a tender letter to a group of Christians who were especially close to the heart of Paul (2 Corinthians 8:1-6), and comparatively little is said about doctrinal error.
Connections: As with many of his letters, Paul warned the new believers in the church of Philippi to beware of the tendency toward legalism which continually cropped up in the early churches. So tied to the Old Testament law were the Jews that there was a constant effort on the part of the Judaizers to return to the teaching of salvation by works. But Paul reiterated that salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone and branded the Judaizers as “dogs” and “men who do evil.” In particular, the legalists were insisting that the new believers in Christ should continue to be circumcised according to the requirements of the Old Covenant (Genesis 17:10-12; Leviticus 12:3). In this way, they attempted to please God by their own efforts and elevate themselves above the Gentile Christians who did not participate in the ritual. Paul explained that those who have been washed by the blood of the Lamb were no longer to perform the ritual that symbolized the need for a clean heart.
civic
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Ditto maybe it’s dyslexia
brightfame52
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By Grace Alone (22) | godsonlygospel
www.godsonlygospel.com
MTMattie
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Part 22 out of 38.By Grace Alone (22) | godsonlygospel
Yep... them theres the tactics.
And I thought you were coming along
But then things seem wrong when this
29 For unto you it is given[grace] in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
should actually read as
29 For unto you it is given[grace] on the behalf of Christ, not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for his sake;
and......
"Faith is given before belief, so that one will believe" (So close, and yet so far away.................................)
For you, you claim the Father gave you the faith. So you are able to believe the Son.
For me Faith faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. So I am able to believe the Son.
brightfame52
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Yes its given by Grace to believe on Christ Phil 1:29 its not something natural
brightfame52
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civic
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Nope that’s talking about believes not unbelievers.
Just another fallacy on your part.
MTMattie
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He sure picked me at a very young age. I was around 4 when I knew
brightfame52
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its given by Grace to believe on Christ Phil 1:29
brightfame52
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Not talking about you, but what Gods word said. I dont gauge things spiritual by you.
MTMattie
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Strong's Greek: 4309. προορίζω (proorizó) -- To predestine, to foreordain
Usage: The Greek verb "proorizó" means to determine or decide beforehand. In the New Testament, it is used to describe God's sovereign decision and plan, particularly in relation to salvation and the destiny of believers.Cultural and Historical Background: In the Greco-Roman world, the concept of fate and destiny was prevalent, often associated with the gods' control over human affairs. However, the biblical use of "proorizó" is distinct in that it reflects the personal and purposeful will of the one true God, who is actively involved in the lives of His people. This term underscores the biblical theme of God's sovereignty and His redemptive plan through Jesus Christ.
IOW. GOD did predestine those who came to believe His redemptive plan through Jesus Christ. BUT he did not predestine or cherry pick who would be chosen. That is where Calvin is wrong.
His predestined plan was for those of us who are where we stand in Jesus today. But we have to see the offer and decide to accept or reject it for our eternal reward that was already predestined when He made the plan(s) before the earth was ever formed.
brightfame52
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This is error
