Refuting effectually caused faith

[Rockson]

Faith is one of the laws that God in the New Covenant promised to write in the hearts of His Elect People, for instance Jer 31:31-34

Sorry but you're extremely misinformed at just what FAITH is in regard to God's involvement with it and how it's imparted and what are the principles in regard to how it works. I don't mind you having a closed mind.....but I trust and hope you haven't cemented it shut.

There is a truth faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God Rom 10:17 Why? Because the word of God is the knowledge of God. The word of God reveals his will, desire, and disposition in all matters that pertain to life and godliness. That includes his will that not any human being perish who dwells on the earth. You of course have rejected the FAITH you should have in that statement.

Two things are required to have actual FAITH after God has delivered his word. Actual FAITH is faith you're willing to accept his word and expressed desire as being true. The Roman Centurion shows us what great faith is. Jesus said he did. He believed two things. 1) God is of a good and noble character and he keeps his word. He said when I speak my servants obey....Just speak then the word only Jesus, you're good and you keep your word.

So knowledge of God's word, if you're going to choose to believe he is a noble character God has provided the foundation for you to believe. It can still however be resisted and rejected where they make a decision to believe maybe God is not credible. Such was what Adam and Eve did. They yielded to Satan's declaration considering it wasn't credible. (you will not surely die) Gen 3:4 The foundation for faith was provided however for he had done much good and created a wonderful world for them to live and gave them Dominion over it.

The foundation for faith was provided BUT they rejected it. God provides through his word the foundation for faith but men can still suppress it and reject it or as we say today they walk in denial. A Calvinist looks upon faith as something God clamps down upon one with no capacity to reject or suppress which is totally and absolutely foreign to God's character.

One must however choose to act upon the foundation of faith God has provided and such marks the difference between FAITH a noun, and believing....a verb. Believing is putting into motion or into action the foundation of faith God has provided. Calvinists falsely claim that a foundation for faith can be constituted as the same thing as believing. IT ISN'T.

 

[civic]

Faith is a Covenant Blessing !

Faith is one of the laws that God in the New Covenant promised to write in the hearts of His Elect People, for instance Jer 31:31-33

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Which law includes the law of Faith Rom 3:27

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Faith is the Covenant Gift of God Eph 2:8-9

Jeremiah doesn’t mention faith. Nice try but another strike out.

 

[civic]

Sorry but you're extremely misinformed at just what FAITH is in regard to God's involvement with it and how it's imparted and what are the principles in regard to how it works. I don't mind you having a closed mind.....but I trust and hope you haven't cemented it shut.

There is a truth faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God Rom 10:17 Why? Because the word of God is the knowledge of God. The word of God reveals his will, desire, and disposition in all matters that pertain to life and godliness. That includes his will that not any human being perish who dwells on the earth. You of course have rejected the FAITH you should have in that statement.

Two things are required to have actual FAITH after God has delivered his word. Actual FAITH is faith you're willing to accept his word and expressed desire as being true. The Roman Centurion shows us what great faith is. Jesus said he did. He believed two things. 1) God is of a good and noble character and he keeps his word. He said when I speak my servants obey....Just speak then the word only Jesus, you're good and you keep your word.

So knowledge of God's word, if you're going to choose to believe he is a noble character God has provided the foundation for you to believe. It can still however be resisted and rejected where they make a decision to believe maybe God is not credible. Such was what Adam and Eve did. They yielded to Satan's declaration considering it wasn't credible. (you will not surely die) Gen 3:4 The foundation for faith was provided however for he had done much good and created a wonderful world for them to live and gave them Dominion over it.

The foundation for faith was provided BUT they rejected it. God provides through his word the foundation for faith but men can still suppress it and reject it or as we say today they walk in denial. A Calvinist looks upon faith as something God clamps down upon one with no capacity to reject or suppress which is totally and absolutely foreign to God's character.

One must however choose to act upon the foundation of faith God has provided and such marks the difference between FAITH a noun, and believing....a verb. Believing is putting into motion or into action the foundation of faith God has provided. Calvinists falsely claim that a foundation for faith can be constituted as the same thing as believing. IT ISN'T.

Amen brother !

 

[TomL]

Faith is one of the laws that God in the New Covenant promised to write in the hearts of His Elect People, for instance Jer 31:31-34

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Which law includes the law of Faith Rom 3:27

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Faith is the Covenant Gift of God Eph 2:8-9

Sorry but without faith one is not included in that covenant

Romans 11:19–23 (ESV) — 19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.

and salvation is the gift of Eph 2:8

Romans 6:23 (ESV) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

and this (not your faith, as Chrys. οὐδὲ ἡ πίστις, φησίν, ἐξ ὑμῶν: so Thdrt., al., Corn.-a-Iap., Beza, Est., Grot., Beng., all.;—this is precluded (not by the gender of τοῦτο, but) by the manifestly parallel clauses οὐκ ἐξ ὑμῶν and οὐκ ἐξ ἔργων, of which the latter would be irrelevant as asserted of πίστις, and the reference of ver. 9 must therefore be changed:—but, as Calv., Calov., Rück., Harl., Olsh., Mey., De W., Stier, al., ‘your salvation;’ τὸ σεσωσμένοι εἶναι, as Ellic.) not of yourselves, God’s (emphatic) is the gift (not, as E. V. ‘it is the gift of God’ (θεοῦ δῶρον),—τὸ δῶρον, viz. of your salvation: so that the expression is pregnant—q. d., ‘but it is a gift, and that gift is God’s.’ There is no occasion, as Lachm., Harl., and De W., to parenthesize these words: they form a contrast to οὐκ ἐξ ὑμ., and a quasi-parallel clause to ἵνα μή τις καυχήσ. below): not of works (for ἐξ ἔργων, see on Rom. 3:4, and Gal. 2:16), that no man should boast (on the proposition implied, see on Rom. 4:2.

1 Henry Alford, Alford’s Greek Testament: An Exegetical and Critical Commentary (Grand Rapids, MI: Guardian Press, 1976), 94.

The parallelism of "not of yourselves" in verse 8 and "not of works" in verse 9 seals the argument that salvation by grace is in view as the gift of God.[87]



Smelley, Hutson. Deconstructing Calvinism: A Biblical Analysis and Refutation (pp. 100-101). Hutson Smelley. Kindle Edition.

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry but you're extremely misinformed at just what FAITH is in regard to God's involvement with it and how it's imparted and what are the principles in regard to how it works. I don't mind you having a closed mind.....but I trust and hope you haven't cemented it shut.

There is a truth faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God Rom 10:17 Why? Because the word of God is the knowledge of God. The word of God reveals his will, desire, and disposition in all matters that pertain to life and godliness. That includes his will that not any human being perish who dwells on the earth. You of course have rejected the FAITH you should have in that statement.

Two things are required to have actual FAITH after God has delivered his word. Actual FAITH is faith you're willing to accept his word and expressed desire as being true. The Roman Centurion shows us what great faith is. Jesus said he did. He believed two things. 1) God is of a good and noble character and he keeps his word. He said when I speak my servants obey....Just speak then the word only Jesus, you're good and you keep your word.

So knowledge of God's word, if you're going to choose to believe he is a noble character God has provided the foundation for you to believe. It can still however be resisted and rejected where they make a decision to believe maybe God is not credible. Such was what Adam and Eve did. They yielded to Satan's declaration considering it wasn't credible. (you will not surely die) Gen 3:4 The foundation for faith was provided however for he had done much good and created a wonderful world for them to live and gave them Dominion over it.

The foundation for faith was provided BUT they rejected it. God provides through his word the foundation for faith but men can still suppress it and reject it or as we say today they walk in denial. A Calvinist looks upon faith as something God clamps down upon one with no capacity to reject or suppress which is totally and absolutely foreign to God's character.

One must however choose to act upon the foundation of faith God has provided and such marks the difference between FAITH a noun, and believing....a verb. Believing is putting into motion or into action the foundation of faith God has provided. Calvinists falsely claim that a foundation for faith can be constituted as the same thing as believing. IT ISN'T.

Faith is one of the laws that God in the New Covenant promised to write in the hearts of His Elect People, for instance Jer 31:31-34

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

 

[brightfame52]

Jeremiah doesn’t mention faith. Nice try but another strike out.

Faith is a Covenant Blessing !

Faith is one of the laws that God in the New Covenant promised to write in the hearts of His Elect People, for instance Jer 31:31-33

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Which law includes the law of Faith Rom 3:27

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Faith is the Covenant Gift of God Eph 2:8-9

 

[Rockson]

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

You already said all that and I believe I demonstrated you lack insight in regard to what FAITH even is.

 

[brightfame52]

You already said all that and I believe I demonstrated you lack insight in regard to what FAITH even is.

Im going to say it again:

Faith is a Covenant Blessing !

Faith is one of the laws that God in the New Covenant promised to write in the hearts of His Elect People, for instance Jer 31:31-33

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Which law includes the law of Faith Rom 3:27

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Faith is the Covenant Gift of God Eph 2:8-9

 

[Rockson]

Im going to say it again:

You don't have to do that. Just properly address the things brought up in the posts which challenge your opinion.

Faith is a Covenant Blessing !

So was the Roman Centurion to whom Jesus said had greater faith than anyone in Israel a covenant person? No? Wonder how then he got such great faith if it was a thing of the Covenant like you say it was. Or are you rather just making things up as you go along?

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Yeah and you say FAITH was a thing of the covenant. But oh no! He wasn't of the house of Israel like you say! Guess than you've missed it somewhat then right?

Faith is the Covenant Gift of God Eph 2:8-9

Sorry BF. You don't know what you're talking about in saying such a thing. Just know that sometimes when you seek to pull a rabbit out of a hat you come up empty handed. Your little trick with words has failed you.

 

[brightfame52]

You don't have to do that. Just properly address the things brought up in the posts which challenge your opinion.

So was the Roman Centurion to whom Jesus said had greater faith than anyone in Israel a covenant person? No? Wonder how then he got such great faith if it was a thing of the Covenant like you say it was. Or are you rather just making things up as you go along?

Yeah and you say FAITH was a thing of the covenant. But oh no! He wasn't of the house of Israel like you say! Guess than you've missed it somewhat then right?


Sorry BF. You don't know what you're talking about in saying such a thing. Just know that sometimes when you seek to pull a rabbit out of a hat you come up empty handed. Your little trick with words has failed you.

Faith is a Covenant Blessing !

Faith is one of the laws that God in the New Covenant promised to write in the hearts of His Elect People, for instance Jer 31:31-33

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Which law includes the law of Faith Rom 3:27

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Faith is the Covenant Gift of God Eph 2:8-9

 

[Rockson]

Faith is a Covenant Blessing !

Faith is one of the laws that God in the New Covenant promised to write in the hearts of His Elect People, for instance Jer 31:31-33

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Which law includes the law of Faith Rom 3:27

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Faith is the Covenant Gift of God Eph 2:8-9

You don't have to do that. Just properly address the things brought up in the posts which challenge your opinion.

 

[TomL]

You don't have to do that. Just properly address the things brought up in the posts which challenge your opinion.

He never does and it appears he cannot so he just ignores rebuttal and repeats himself

 

[civic]

You don't have to do that. Just properly address the things brought up in the posts which challenge your opinion.

he keeps quoting Jeremiah where faith is not mentioned. And the others verses are eisegesis as well.

The irony here is that while he will affirm the "law of faith " he will deny the "law of sin" and that he is a sinner.

 

[TomL]

You don't have to do that. Just properly address the things brought up in the posts which challenge your opinion.

He never does and it appears he cannot so he just ignores rebuttal and repeats himself

Faith is a Covenant Blessing !

Faith is one of the laws that God in the New Covenant promised to write in the hearts of His Elect People, for instance Jer 31:31-33

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Which law includes the law of Faith Rom 3:27

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Faith is the Covenant Gift of God Eph 2:8-9

if faith is a gift from God, how could demonic activity restrict the faith of some (Luke 8:12; 2 Cor 4:4)? Why is it harder for some people to believe than others (cf. Titus 1:12-13)? What would be the point of the drawing work of the Holy Spirit (John 6:44; 12:32), or of evangelism and missions? Why was Jesus sometimes amazed at people’s lack of faith (Matt 8:26; 14:31; 16:8)? None of these questions have good answers if faith is a gift of God.
Myers, J. D.. What is Faith?: How to Know that You Believe (Christian Questions Book 3) (p. 136). Redeeming Press. Kindle Edition.

 

[brightfame52]

You don't have to do that. Just properly address the things brought up in the posts which challenge your opinion.

Faith is a Covenant Blessing !

Faith is one of the laws that God in the New Covenant promised to write in the hearts of His Elect People, for instance Jer 31:31-33

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Which law includes the law of Faith Rom 3:27

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Faith is the Covenant Gift of God Eph 2:8-9

 

[brightfame52]

He never does and it appears he cannot so he just ignores rebuttal and repeats himself

if faith is a gift from God, how could demonic activity restrict the faith of some (Luke 8:12; 2 Cor 4:4)? Why is it harder for some people to believe than others (cf. Titus 1:12-13)? What would be the point of the drawing work of the Holy Spirit (John 6:44; 12:32), or of evangelism and missions? Why was Jesus sometimes amazed at people’s lack of faith (Matt 8:26; 14:31; 16:8)? None of these questions have good answers if faith is a gift of God.
Myers, J. D.. What is Faith?: How to Know that You Believe (Christian Questions Book 3) (p. 136). Redeeming Press. Kindle Edition.

Faith is a Covenant Blessing !

Faith is one of the laws that God in the New Covenant promised to write in the hearts of His Elect People, for instance Jer 31:31-33

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Which law includes the law of Faith Rom 3:27

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Faith is the Covenant Gift of God Eph 2:8-9

 

[TomL]

Faith is a Covenant Blessing !

Faith is one of the laws that God in the New Covenant promised to write in the hearts of His Elect People, for instance Jer 31:31-33

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Which law includes the law of Faith Rom 3:27

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Faith is the Covenant Gift of God Eph 2:8-9

He/she proves my claim

He/she never does and it appears he/she cannot so he/she just ignores rebuttal and repeats himself/herself

if faith is a gift from God, how could demonic activity restrict the faith of some (Luke 8:12; 2 Cor 4:4)? Why is it harder for some people to believe than others (cf. Titus 1:12-13)? What would be the point of the drawing work of the Holy Spirit (John 6:44; 12:32), or of evangelism and missions? Why was Jesus sometimes amazed at people’s lack of faith (Matt 8:26; 14:31; 16:8)? None of these questions have good answers if faith is a gift of God.
Myers, J. D.. What is Faith?: How to Know that You Believe (Christian Questions Book 3) (p. 136). Redeeming Press. Kindle Edition.

 

[Rockson]

if faith is a gift from God, how could demonic activity restrict the faith of some (Luke 8:12; 2 Cor 4:4)? Why is it harder for some people to believe than others (cf. Titus 1:12-13)?

And let's consider Matt 14:31, where Jesus was walking on the water and his faith fails and begins to sink. Jesus said the following,

31And immediately Jesus stretched out His hand and caught him, and said to him, “O you of little faith, why did you doubt?”

This only makes coherent sense when we conclude he really knew why he did. It was because Peter looked at the waves and wind but to ask the question makes it perfectly clear he didn't have to do that. His faith could have seen him through all the way.

With Calvinism which puts forth God gave Peter the faith and put within one believing now IF THAT'S TRUE Peter could have challenged Jesus by saying, "What do you mean by asking me why I doubted! It's all your fault that I did! Don't you know you need to put within me the full believing? That is what I hear some are going to teach in the future!" I don't think Jesus would be too please to hear Peter say that. I don't think he's pleased to hear people say that today either.

 

[TomL]

And let's consider Matt 14:31, where Jesus was walking on the water and his faith fails and begins to sink. Jesus said the following,

31And immediately Jesus stretched out His hand and caught him, and said to him, “O you of little faith, why did you doubt?”

This only makes coherent sense when we conclude he really knew why he did. It was because Peter looked at the waves and wind but to ask the question makes it perfectly clear he didn't have to do that. His faith could have seen him through all the way.

With Calvinism which puts forth God gave Peter the faith and put within one believing now IF THAT'S TRUE Peter could have challenged Jesus by saying, "What do you mean by asking me why I doubted! It's all your fault that I did! Don't you know you need to put within me the full believing? That is what I hear some are going to teach in the future!" I don't think Jesus would be too please to hear Peter say that. I don't think he's pleased to hear people say that today either.

That is correct. That Jesus castigates little faith and lauds great faith makes the Calvinist view of the matter quite suspect

 

[Rockson]

That is correct. That Jesus castigates little faith and lauds great faith makes the Calvinist view of the matter quite suspect

Not to mention weird, outlandish, far out, odd, peculiar and abnormal too. Sad that some of them want to do this to their minds!