Still referencing the fact Jesus was now a man.
When did you renounce Christianity?
Jesus the Man Before John !
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When did you renounce Christianity?
brightfame52
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He was the Man from Heaven 1 Cor 15 47
The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Peterlag
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Did I miss something? Where am I wrong?
101G
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Addressing the OP only.... not having read all the replies. but to put an end to this nonsense, "that the Lord Jesus was a man before John 1". well here is the proof that put this thinking to an end, because it is false thinking. Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
Lord here in verse 1 is the Hebrew term,
H113 אָדוֹן 'adown (aw-done') n-m.
אָדֹן 'adon (aw-done') [shortened]
1. sovereign (i.e. controller, human or divine).
2. lord.
{also used as a prefix for names}
[from an unused root (meaning to rule)]
KJV: lord, master, owner.
now this same Lord at the "LORD" right hand, Psalms 110:5 "The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath."
Lord: H136 אֲדֹנָי 'Adonay (ad-o-noy') n-m.
1. (meaning) Lord (used as a proper name of God only).
2. (person) Adonai, The Lord God of Israel (which is actually “Yahweh God of Israel” - see Exodus 5:1 and 120 other occurrences).
[am emphatic form of H113]
KJV: (my) Lord.
Root(s): H113
is not the Lord is Jesus the Christ? and is he not MASTER? now read definition #2. above and right after, (am emphatic form of H113), H113? yes the same Lord in verse 1. now is this a man who is “Yahweh God of Israel” as definition states?
101G.
Your words
"The book of Hebrews is wrong when it says Jesus was “made like his brothers in every respect”if Jesus knew he was God (Hebrews 2:17). Jesus was not made like other humans in every way if Jesus was 100% God and 100% human at the same time. In fact, he would have been very different from other humans in many respects."
Still referencing the fact Jesus was now a man.
When did you renounce Christianity?
Peterlag
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The book of Hebrews says Jesus was made like other humans in every way. The book of Hebrews is wrong if Jesus is God. The book of Hebrews is not wrong because Jesus is not God. Do you understand my words now?
The reference is to his humanity
And your conclusion is contrary to
John 20:28 (UASV) — 28 Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
Titus 2:13 (UASV) — 13 Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
2 Peter 1:1 (UASV) — 1 Simon Peter, a slave, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have acquired a faith as precious as ours through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
John 1:1 (UASV) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
brightfame52
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Who is the Man here Ps 80:17
17 Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself.
Who was the appearance of the Man in the furnace with the Three Dan 3 24-25
24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonished, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.
25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
101G
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Psalms 80:17 "Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, upon the son of man whom thou madest strong for thyself."
if you cannot understand clearly from Psalms 110:1, NOW Zechariah 13:7 "Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones."
now who is this FELLOW. it is the Hebrew term,
H5997 עָמִית `amiyth (aw-meeth') n-m.
1. companionship.
2. (hence, concretely) a comrade or kindred man.
[from a primitive root meaning to associate]
KJV: another, fellow, neighbour.
see definition #2 above, "kindred man", who came in flesh..... GOD himself. listen, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."
now, who is the one that came and saved us? answer, the KINSMAN REDEEMER, God in flesh, the Lord Jesu. supportive scripture, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
see that term "OFFSPRING" here it is the Greek term,
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096
BINGO, kin. as in KINSman REDEEMER. the Christ to come. this is too easy. yes the MAN that is God fellow in Zechariah 13:7 is the same "Lord" in Psalms 110: and 5 who ia at God right hand, and also in Psalms 80:17....... HELLO, do you understand now?
101G.
Peterlag
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Thomas could have been referring to two different creatures. “My Lord and my God.” A very likely way to understand John 20:28 is that Thomas had realized the power of God working in Jesus, and in saying “my Lord and my God” he was pointing out that Jesus did, in fact, reveal God in a unique and powerful way. In seeing the resurrected Jesus, Thomas clearly saw both the Lord Jesus, and the God who raised Jesus from the dead, and he stated that fact.
Sorry there is absolutely no evidencve of that
John 20:28–29 (NASB 2020) — 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you now believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”
Thomas was speaking directly to Christ and Christ then commends him
Peterlag
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Again there's no teaching on the trinity anywhere in the Bible. Not in the Old or New Testament where there's a real teaching. A few paragraphs or a chapter or two. No place because there is no trinity. All you folks put in front of me are half verses scattered all over the place that are twisted or not understood in the culture they were written in.
civic
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meaning His origin is from heaven, not this world. the first man came from the dust-this earth.
brightfame52
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brightfame52
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Right Jesus the Man Mediator His Primary origin is from Heaven, not Marys baby Jn 6 42
And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
Jn 6 50,51
This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die
Now the Bread is His Flesh
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Jn 3 13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he[Man] that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Seeing as the bible calls Christ God and the Holy Spirit God in addition to the Father your claim is lacking in veracity
Peterlag
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Oh come on you're making that up. There's no such Scripture.
Um that appears to be a bald denial
John 1:1 (UASV) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 20:28 (UASV) — 28 Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
Titus 2:13 (UASV) — 13 Looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
2 Peter 1:1 (UASV) — 1 Simon Peter, a slave, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have acquired a faith as precious as ours through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
