Isaiah 53 the origin of PSA

In what way is there an atonement if Jesus does not suffer the punishment of sin?

That's what atonement even MEANS, not just skipping or replacing justice.
I did include the Cross in my definition of the Atonement. What I didn't include is the Father's sadistic satisfaction of that fact. Where is that sadistic satisfaction found anywhere in the Bible?

By the way, what about answering my questions about Christ's Incarnation and Pentecost?
Do you believe in eternal conscious torment?
I believe in the torment of sinners. Is that what you mean?
If you do—and I asked you to explain why that was not "sadistic"—your own arguments would explain why the atonement is not "sadistic."
I find no sadistic satisfaction when someone is judged for wrong doing. I feel sad.
 
And I haven't even mentioned the sadistic "satisfaction" idea of PSA that cannot hold and blows up when you consider the entire scope of the Atonement of Christ. Our God is a loving God, not a sadistic one.
Different Views of the Atonement

Thus far, we have been giving a defense for the doctrine of substitionary atonement. But are we even sure that this is the Bible’s teaching on the subject? Some emergent authors have recently argued that the Bible speaks of the Cross in a multifaceted way, and the Cross is bigger than just the concept of substitution. For instance, emergent author Brian McLaren writes, “I think the gospel is a many faceted diamond, and atonement is only one facet, and legal models of atonement (which predominate in western Christianity) are only one small portion of that one facet.”

Of course, we would agree that the Cross is multifaceted. It didn’t occur purely or solely for the purpose of substitution; other purposes were no doubt in view in the mind of God. However, we strongly contend that substitution was the primary or central purpose of the Cross. We hold this view for a number of reasons:

REASON #1: Many passages speak about the active wrath of God.

While Scripture does speak of God’s passive wrath (Rom. 1:24, 26, 28), it also speaks of his active wrath (Rom. 2:16; 12:19; 1 Thess. 1:10; Lk. 12:48; Eph. 2:3). If God is actively wrathful against sin, something (or someone) would need to pay for that wrath. The Bible uses the language of propitiation to describe how God’s wrath was satisfied on Christ (Heb. 2:17; 1 Jn. 2:2; 4:10). All other models of the atonement fail to adequately interact or engage with the language of propitiation (for more on propitiation, see comments on Romans 3:25).

REASON #2: The OT points toward substitutionary atonement.


In the OT, an innocent animal was substituted for the sin of the people (Lev. 4, 16). Isaiah writes, “He [Jesus] was pierced through for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, and by His scourging we are healed” (Isa. 53:5). Erickson explains this OT concept of atonement:

The Hebrew word most commonly used in the Old Testament for the various types of atonement is כָּפַר (kaphar) and its derivatives. The word literally means “to cover.” One was delivered from punishment by the interposing of something between one’s sin and God. God then saw the atoning sacrifice rather than the sin. The covering of the sin meant that the penalty no longer had to be exacted from the sinner.[13]

The NT authors use this OT terminology to describe Christ’s substitionary work (1 Pet. 2:24; 1 Jn. 2:2; 4:10). While the Passover lamb died in the place of the Israelites in Egypt (Ex. 12), Paul writes, “Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed” (1 Cor. 5:7). When he first saw Jesus, John the Baptist said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” (Jn. 1:29) Paul refers to Jesus’ death as “an offering for sin” (Rom. 8:3), couching this verse in OT sacrificial imagery.

The concept of the blessings and cursings comes from the OT, where God would judge or bless Israel based on their obedience to his law (Lev. 26; Deut. 28). Paul writes that Christ became the curse for us, and he gave us his rightful blessing (Gal. 3:13).

Finally, when we consider the entire context of Hebrews 9 specifically (vv.16-28), we see that this discussion is framed in the OT sacrificial system, where an innocent animal was forgiven for the sins of the people. The NT authors framed these other passages in an OT context as well (Jn. 1:29; Mt. 26:28), making the OT sacrificial system the proper context in which we should understand the atonement.[14]

REASON #3: The NT claims that substitutionary atonement is the primary—though not exclusive—way that we should understand the Cross.


Paul says that he delivered the message of the gospel to the Corinthians (1 Cor. 15:1-2), and he explained the message that was of “first importance” (1 Cor. 15:3). His language does not refer to the order of speech (i.e. “this is the first thing I need to say…”). Instead, “first importance” refers to the primacy of this doctrine (i.e. “this is at the top of the list…”).[15] There are a number of reasons for affirming substitutionary atonement:

1. The Bible affirms that sinful humans get their righteousness from Christ.

(2 Cor. 5:21) He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

(1 Pet. 3:18) For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit.

(Phil. 3:8b-9) That I may gain Christ, 9 and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith.

(Rom. 5:19) For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

(Rom. 3:25-26) God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

(1 Pet 2:24) He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.


2. The NT ascribes the blood of Christ as the means through which we have peace with God.

(Rom. 3:25) God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith.

(Rom. 5:9) Having now been justified by His blood.

(Eph. 1:7) In Him we have redemption through His blood.

(Eph. 2:13) In Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

(Col. 1:20) Through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

(Mt. 26:28) This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

3. Christ died for human beings as a substitute for our sin. The Reformers called this The Great Exchange: We give Christ our sin, and he gives us his righteousness. The word “justification” (Greek dikaiosis) is a legal term, referring to being declared judicially not guilty. Paul writes, “Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Rom. 8:1). Earlier in Romans, Paul argued that as sinful people, our “condemnation is just” (Rom. 3:8) and sin results “in condemnation” (Rom. 5:16; c.f. v.18). However, by virtue of the Cross, we have “no condemnation” (Rom. 8:1).

(1 Thess. 5:10) [Christ] died for us.

(Rom. 8:32) He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all.

(2 Cor. 5:14) [Christ] died for all.

(Eph. 5:2) Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us.

(Gal. 1:4a) [Jesus] gave Himself for our sins…

(Rom. 4:25) He who was delivered over because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification.

(Rom. 5:8-9) But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

4. The NT affirms that Christ’s death was a substitutionary ransom. Jesus said, “For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many” (Mk. 10:45).

Erickson explains that the concept of “ransom” implies a substitute and payment. He writes, “The word λύτρον (lutron—‘ransom’) with its cognates is used nearly 140 times in the Septuagint, usually with the thought of deliverance from some sort of bondage in exchange for the payment of compensation or the offering of a substitute.”[16] Of course, Christ saw himself as a substitute for us (Jn. 15:13).

5. Jesus viewed his work as completed on the Cross. Before he died, he said, “It is finished!” (Jn. 19:30) Of course, if Jesus’ atonement continued after his death, what was “finished” at the Cross?

In addition to these passages, the gospels emphasize the death of Christ through selective history. We know virtually nothing about the childhood of Jesus, but we know considerable details about his death. In fact, much of the Gospel of John (Jn. 13-19) focuses on the last day of Jesus’ earthly life. Why would these authors spill so much ink over the Passion Week, unless this was theologically significant?

For these reasons, we hold that penal substitutionary atonement makes the most sense of the biblical data on the Cross.

You want to say something @synergy?
 
I have all the teachings of Jesus that refutes PSA
And I have Scripture references FOR penal atonement.
1] Christ is said to “bear” our sins (Isaiah 53:1 Peter 2:24).

To bear sins is not only to assume responsibility for them, but also to undergo the punishment due to them (Leviticus 20:17 cf. vv.18-20). Francis Turretin observes: “to bear sin is the same thing as to bear the punishment of sins” (‘Institutes of Elenctic Theology’, volume 3, page 429).

2] The penal nature of Christ’s death is implied some key references to it.

He was delivered “for our offences” (Romans 4:25), the preposition “for” in the Greek is dia – “because of, on account of.” This can only mean that these offences were the cause of His death. The same meaning is in the propositions of 1 Corinthians 15:3 – “for our sins” (huper – “in behalf of, for the sake of”), and 1 Peter 3:18 “suffered for sins” (peri – concerning, because of), and Matthew 20:28 “a ransom for many” (anti – “because of, instead of.”

3] His death is described as a “sacrifice” (Ephesians 5:2; Hebrews 9:26, etc.)

With respect to sacrifices, guilt was transmitted and, in consequence, life was taken as the penalty due (see: Leviticus 1:5). As Robert Dabney says concerning the Old Testament sacrifices which prefigured Christ’s sacrifice, “these bloody sacrifices were intended by God to symbolise the substitution of an innocent victim in place of the guilty offerer; the transfer of his guilt to the substitute; satisfaction for it by the vicarious death, and the consequent forgiveness of the sinner (Leviticus 1:4; 14:21; 17:11, et passim.)” (Christ our Penal Substitute, page 88).

4] In Isaiah 53:7, it says “he was oppressed” – literally, “it was exacted” – that is, Christ bore the penalty which the Law demanded. B.W. Newton comments, “it must be very strongly stated that the commencing Hebrew word (‘it was exacted’) indicates that the suffering was the result of judicial infliction from the hand of God; because He who so suffered stood as one who had voluntarily undertaken to bear penalties which the Law of God ‘exacted.’

The word (nagas) indicated not merely oppression, but oppression that was the result of a demand. It means to have payment of a debt sternly executed, and is thus used in Deuteronomy 15:2,3, ‘Every creditor that lendeth aught to his neighbour shall (on the seventh year) release it; he shall not EXACT it of his neighbour or his brother, because the Lord’s release hath been proclaimed. Of a foreigner thou mayest EXACT it again, etc.’” (Thoughts on the Whole Prophecy of Isaiah, pages 265,266).

5] It is said that Christ became “a curse for us” (Galatians 3:13).

Since the curse of the Law was the penalty of sin (Deuteronomy 27:26; Galatians 3:10), this can only mean that He was charged with sin and was judged as if He was a sinner – although, of course, He Himself knew no sin (see: 2 Corinthians 5:21).

6] The fact that His death was a “ransom” (Matthew 20:28; 1 Timothy 2:6; cf. Romans 3:24; Ephesians 1:7) shows that the sinner’s freedom has been bought by the payment of a required price.

Christ paid the price, an equivalent for the sins of men (1 Peter 1:18,19; Revelation 5:9). In his classic work, The Atonement and Intercession of Christ, William Symington concludes, “The passages, thus, without controversy, prove the fact that salvation is effected by the blood or death or the Lord Jesus Christ, which is offered to and accepted of by God, as a perfect satisfaction, a proper equivalent for the sins of such as are made partakers of redemption. They are not their own, but BOUGHT WITH A PRICE. Can anything more distinctly express the idea of satisfaction, which is just the idea of atonement?” (pages 185,186).

7] The very concept of a “surety” (Hebrews 7:22) requires one who performs a service or pays a debt on behalf of another (Gen 43:9; cf. Philemon 18).

8] There is no doubt that God inflicted “chastisement” or “punishment” upon Christ (Isaiah 53:5,10; Zechariah 13:7).

God “condemned sin in the flesh” (Romans 8:4). “The Punishment which God meted out to Christ was the very punishment which was due to his people.- Dr. John Brown: “To the enlightened eye, there is found on the cross another inscription, besides that which Pilate ordered to be written there: The Victim of Guilt. The Wages of sin” (ibid.)

9] Our salvation came about by “reconciliation.”

That is, satisfaction being rendered to the offended party whose justice must be fully met and, as a result, God’s most righteous displeasure with us on account of sin has been removed (Romans 5:10; Colossians 1:20; Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:2; 4:10).

After a most learned treatment of “propitiation” in both Testaments, Dr. Leon Morris makes this telling point: “The Scripture is clear that the wrath of God is visited on sinners or else that the Son of God dies for them. Either sinners are punished for their misdoings or else there takes place what Hodgson calls ‘that self-punishment which combines the activities of punishing and forgiving.’ Either we die or He dies. ‘But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us’ (Romans 5:8)” (The Apostolic Preaching of the Cross, page 213).

10] The nature of Christ’s death can only be understood in terms of penal substitution.


His was no ordinary anguish and pain. His was no ordinary death (Matthew 26:37; Mark 14:33-35; Luke 22:44; Hebrews 5:7). As Turretin says, “Such things can have no other adequate cause except in vindicatory justice demanding from Christ a most full satisfaction for us” (op. cited, pages 434,435). A scripture comes to mind: “Is it nothing to you all ye that pass by? behold, and see if there be any sorrow like unto my sorrow, which is done unto me, wherewith the Lord hath afflicted me in the day of his fierce anger” (Lamentations 1:12).



Contrary to what Steve Chalke alleges, Penal substitution is not a theory of the Atonement: it is the Atonement. And if a sinner rejects it, he places himself beyond hope of the salvation of God.

Peace.
 
A. This is a crucial text for the NT understanding of the ministry and identification of Jesus as YHWH's Suffering Servant. Note the places that it is quoted or alluded to in the NT.

1. Isa. 52:15 ‒ Rom. 15:21

2. Isa. 53:1 ‒ Rom. 10:16; John 12:38

3. Isa. 53:3 ‒ Luke 18:31-33 (allusion); Mark 10:33-34 (allusion); John 1:10-11 (allusion)

4. Isa. 53:4 ‒ Matt. 8:17; 1 Pet. 2:24 (allusion)

5. Isa. 53:5 ‒ Rom. 4:25 (allusion); 1 Cor. 15:3 (allusion); Heb. 9:28 (allusion); 1 Pet. 2:24-25 (allusion)

6. Isa. 53:6 ‒ 1 Pet 2:25 (allusion)

7. Isa. 53:78 ‒ Matt. 26:63 (allusion); Matt. 27:12-14 (allusion); Mark 14:61 (allusion); Mark 15:5 (allusion); Luke 23:9 (allusion); John 19:9 (allusion); Acts 8:32-33 (quote); 1 Pet. 2:23 (allusion)

8. Isa. 53:9 ‒ Matt. 27:57-60 (allusion); 1 Pet. 2:22

9. Isa. 53:10 ‒ John 1:29 (allusion); Mark 10:45 (allusion)

10. Isa. 53:11 ‒ John 10:14-18 (allusion); Rom. 5:18,19 (allusion); 1 Pet. 2:24 (allusion)

11. Isa. 53:12 ‒ Luke 22:37; 2 Cor. 5:21 (allusion); Phil. 2:6,7 (allusion)



52:14
NASB, NKJV, LXX   "were astonished at you"
NRSV   "were astonished at him"
NJB   "were aghast at him"
JPSOA   "were appalled at him"
REB   "recoil at the sight of him"
Peshitta   "amazed at him"
NET   "were horrified by the sight of you"

The MT has "you," עליך (also LXX), but "him," עליו is read by the Targums and some Syriac versions. The UBS Text Project, p. 142, gives "you" a B rating, p. 142.

There is a fluidity between the corporate focus ("you") and the individual ("him") in the Servant Songs. The individual ideal Israelite paid the price for corporate Israel (cf. Isa. 53:8) as well as corporate humanity (cf. Gen. 3:15)!

"My people" This is not in the Masoretic Hebrew text. The Servant is not identified with corporate Israel but an individual, an ideal Israelite (i.e., Messiah.

"His appearance was marred more than any man,

And His form more than the sons of men"

The term "marred" (BDB 1008, KB 644) is found only here. BDB has "disfigurement of face." KB has "ugly in form," from an Arabic root.

The same root consonants are used in Lev. 22:25 for "corruption."

The same root consonanta are used in Ezek. 9:1 for "destruction."

Jesus was beaten very badly, almost unrecognizable, first by the Sanhedrin and then by the Roman soldiers. The rabbis used this verse to say that the Messiah will have leprosy.

52:15
NASB, NKJV   "sprinkle"
NRSV, JPSOA, NET   "startle"
NJB, LXX   "astonished"
Peshitta   "purify"

The MT (NASB) has a sacrificial term (BDB 633 I, KB 683, Hiphil imperfect, cf. Exod. 29:21: Lev. 4:6,17; 5:8; 6:27; 8:11,30; 14:7,16,27,51; 16:14,15,19; Num. 8:7; 19:4,18,19,21). It can also mean "spattered" (cf. Lev. 6:27; 2 Kgs. 9:33; Isa. 63:3). Many modern translations have "startle" (BDB 633 II, "cause to leap"), which comes from an Arabic root. The UBS Text Project, p. 142, gives the MT a "B" rating (some doubt).

The question is "What do the kings hear and see?"

a marred man (Isa. 52:14; 53:5)
a high, lifted up, and greatly exalted man (Isa. 52:13)
Does the verb of Isa. 52:15a mean:

startle with joy
startle with shock
sprinkled as a sacrifice (cf. Isa. 53:4-5,10)

NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: ISAIAH 53:1-3
1Who has believed our message?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot,
And like a root out of parched ground;
He has no stately form or majesty
That we should look upon Him,
Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.
3He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.

53:1 "Who has believed our message" The speaker (plural) is uncertain, but possibly

the faithful Jewish remnant
the prophets
It is obvious that very few understood the concept of a suffering Messiah (cf. John 12:38; Rom. 10:16)! However, one day the kings of the earth will understand (cf. Isa. 52:15 and Phil. 2:6-11)!

For "believed" (BDB 52, KB 63, Hiphil perfect)

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"arm of the Lord" This is an anthropomorphic phrase (cf. Isa. 51:9; 52:9,10; Deut. 5:15) for YHWH's actions, here involving the ministry of the Servant.



53:2 "like a tender shoot" This (BDB 413) refers to His inconspicuous beginnings. It has some connotative relationship with the Messianic term "Branch" (BDB 666, cf. Isa. 4:2; 11:1,10). Both are used together in Isa. 11:1.



"He has no stately form or majesty

That we should look upon Him"

Jesus was not physically unusual or attractive. He did not stand out in a crowd in any way (i.e., He could melt into the crowd, cf. John 8:59; 12:36).

53:3 "He was despised" This verb (BDB 102, KB 117, Niphal participle) is used as a title, "The Despised One" in Isa. 49:7. The Qal passive participle is used in Ps. 22:6, which Christians believe describes Jesus' crucifixion (cf. Matt. 27:35,39,43,46; Mark 15:29,34; Luke 23:34; John 19:24; 20:25).

So many of the texts in this section of Isaiah are used in the NT. Isaiah clearly reveals God's redemptive plan for all humans.

The last two lines of Isa. 53:3 have been interpreted in several ways.

some of the rabbis said the Messiah would have leprosy (cf. Isa. 53:11)
some relate it to 52:14 and see it referring to the beatings Jesus received at the hands of Herod's and Pilate's guards
some relate it to Jesus' words in Matt. 26:31; Mark 14:27 (from Zech. 13:7) or John 16:32
"sorrows" This word (BDB 456) can mean

physical pain ‒ Exod. 3:7
emotional pain ‒ Ps. 38:17-18; Jer. 45:3
It is used in this context (53:13-14) of the Servant suffering on behalf of Israel (cf. Isa. 53:8) and all mankind (cf. Isa. 53:6).

NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: ISAIAH 53:4-6
4Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.
5But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed.
6All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him.

53:4 "griefs" The word literally means "sickness" (BDB 318, cf. Deut. 28:59,61), but is used in a much wider sense in Hebrew (Isa. 1:6; 6:10). This speaks of Jesus' substitutionary work (cf. Mark 10:45; 2 Cor. 5:21).

Many have tried to interpret this strophe and Isa. 53:5d as teaching that Jesus' death dealt with believers' sins and sicknesses, but this is to misinterpret the parallelism (cf. Ps. 103:3). "Sickness" is a Hebrew idiom for sin (cf. Isa. 1:5-6; Ps. 103:3). My favorite charismatic author, Gordon Fee, has written a powerful booklet on this issue entitled The Disease of the Health and Wealth Gospels.

Healing

"bore. . .carried" These two verbs are parallel.

bore ‒ BDB 669, KB 724, Qal perfect, used of bearing one's guilt, Gen. 4:13; Lev. 5:1,17; 7:18; Num. 5:31; 14:34; Ezek. 14:10; 44:12, but it is also used of someone or some animal bearing another's guilt, cf. Lev. 10:17; 16:22; Num. 14:33; Ezek. 4:4,5,6 and of the suffering Servant's redemptive ministry in Isa. 53:4

carried ‒ BDB 687, KB 741, Qal perfect; this is literally "bear a heavy load," it is used of the Servant in Isa. 53:4 and Isa. 53:11 (Qal imperfect)
Notice the series of verbs in Isa. 53:4-6 of what YHWH did to the Servant for humanity's benefit.

smitten by God, Isa. 53:4 ‒ BDB 645, KB 697, Hophal participle

afflicted (by God), Isa. 53:4 ‒ BDB 776, KB 853, Pual participle

pierced through for our transgressions, Isa. 53:5 ‒ BDB 319, KB 320, Poal participle

crushed for our iniquities, Isa. 53:5 ‒ BDB 193, KB 221, Pual participle

the chastening for our well being (no verb) upon Him, Isa. 53:5

by His scourging we are healed, Isa. 53:5

This is the textual foundation for the doctrine of the vicarious, substitutionary atonement.

"Smitten of God" It was God's will that Jesus die (cf. Isa. 53:10; John 3:16; Mark 10:45; 2 Cor. 5:21). Jesus' trial and death were not accidents or mistakes, but the plan of God (cf. Acts 2:23; 3:18; 4:28; 1 Pet. 1:20).

53:5 "pierced. . .crushed" As "bore" and "carried" in Isa. 53:4 were parallel, so too, these verbs.

pierced ‒ BDB 319, KB 320, Poal participle usually by a sword in battle, but not here. The same root means "polluted" for mankind's purification and forgiveness.

crushed ‒ BDB 193, KB 221, Pual participle; this verb is used several times in Isaiah

Isa. 57:15 ‒ Niphal participle, "the heart of the contrite"

Isa. 3:15 ‒ Piel imperfect, "crushing My people"

Isa. 19:10; 53:5 ‒ Pual participle, "to be crushed"

Isa. 53:10 ‒ Piel infinitive construct, "to crush"

It denotes one who is humbled. In this context by YHWH Himself for the greater good of all mankind.

53:6 This is the OT counterpart to Rom. 3:9-18,23; 5:12,15,18; 11:32; Gal. 3:22. This shows the terrible development of the Fall of Genesis 3 (cf. Gen. 6:5,11-12; Ps. 14:3; 143:2).

"the iniquity of us all to fall on Him" Jesus died for the sins of the entire world. Everyone is potentially saved by Christ (cf. John 1:29; 3:16-17; 12:47; Rom. 5:18; 1 Tim. 4:10; Titus 2:11; Heb. 2:9; 7:25; 1 John 2:2; 4:14). Only willful unbelief keeps anyone from God.

Some commentators have tried to make a restrictive theological distinction between the "all" [twice] of Isa. 53:6 and "the many" of Isa. 53:11d and 12e. However, the parallelism of Rom. 5:18, "all" and "the many" of Isa. 5:19, clearly shows that they refer to the same group (i.e., fallen humanity made in the image and likeness of YHWH, Gen. 1:26-27).

God desires all humans to be saved ‒ John 4:42, 1 Tim. 2:4; 4:10; 2 Pet. 3:9).

Uncle Bob.
 
"arm of the Lord" This is an anthropomorphic phrase (cf. Isa. 51:9; 52:9,10; Deut. 5:15) for YHWH's actions, here involving the ministry of the Servant.



53:2 "like a tender shoot" This (BDB 413) refers to His inconspicuous beginnings. It has some connotative relationship with the Messianic term "Branch" (BDB 666, cf. Isa. 4:2; 11:1,10). Both are used together in Isa. 11:1.



"He has no stately form or majesty

That we should look upon Him"

Jesus was not physically unusual or attractive. He did not stand out in a crowd in any way (i.e., He could melt into the crowd, cf. John 8:59; 12:36).

53:3 "He was despised" This verb (BDB 102, KB 117, Niphal participle) is used as a title, "The Despised One" in Isa. 49:7. The Qal passive participle is used in Ps. 22:6, which Christians believe describes Jesus' crucifixion (cf. Matt. 27:35,39,43,46; Mark 15:29,34; Luke 23:34; John 19:24; 20:25).

So many of the texts in this section of Isaiah are used in the NT. Isaiah clearly reveals God's redemptive plan for all humans.

The last two lines of Isa. 53:3 have been interpreted in several ways.

some of the rabbis said the Messiah would have leprosy (cf. Isa. 53:11)
some relate it to 52:14 and see it referring to the beatings Jesus received at the hands of Herod's and Pilate's guards
some relate it to Jesus' words in Matt. 26:31; Mark 14:27 (from Zech. 13:7) or John 16:32
"sorrows" This word (BDB 456) can mean

physical pain ‒ Exod. 3:7
emotional pain ‒ Ps. 38:17-18; Jer. 45:3
It is used in this context (53:13-14) of the Servant suffering on behalf of Israel (cf. Isa. 53:8) and all mankind (cf. Isa. 53:6).

NASB (UPDATED) TEXT: ISAIAH 53:4-6
4Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.
5But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed.
6All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him.

53:4 "griefs" The word literally means "sickness" (BDB 318, cf. Deut. 28:59,61), but is used in a much wider sense in Hebrew (Isa. 1:6; 6:10). This speaks of Jesus' substitutionary work (cf. Mark 10:45; 2 Cor. 5:21).

Many have tried to interpret this strophe and Isa. 53:5d as teaching that Jesus' death dealt with believers' sins and sicknesses, but this is to misinterpret the parallelism (cf. Ps. 103:3). "Sickness" is a Hebrew idiom for sin (cf. Isa. 1:5-6; Ps. 103:3). My favorite charismatic author, Gordon Fee, has written a powerful booklet on this issue entitled The Disease of the Health and Wealth Gospels.

Healing

"bore. . .carried" These two verbs are parallel.

bore ‒ BDB 669, KB 724, Qal perfect, used of bearing one's guilt, Gen. 4:13; Lev. 5:1,17; 7:18; Num. 5:31; 14:34; Ezek. 14:10; 44:12, but it is also used of someone or some animal bearing another's guilt, cf. Lev. 10:17; 16:22; Num. 14:33; Ezek. 4:4,5,6 and of the suffering Servant's redemptive ministry in Isa. 53:4

carried ‒ BDB 687, KB 741, Qal perfect; this is literally "bear a heavy load," it is used of the Servant in Isa. 53:4 and Isa. 53:11 (Qal imperfect)
Notice the series of verbs in Isa. 53:4-6 of what YHWH did to the Servant for humanity's benefit.

smitten by God, Isa. 53:4 ‒ BDB 645, KB 697, Hophal participle

afflicted (by God), Isa. 53:4 ‒ BDB 776, KB 853, Pual participle

pierced through for our transgressions, Isa. 53:5 ‒ BDB 319, KB 320, Poal participle

crushed for our iniquities, Isa. 53:5 ‒ BDB 193, KB 221, Pual participle

the chastening for our well being (no verb) upon Him, Isa. 53:5

by His scourging we are healed, Isa. 53:5

This is the textual foundation for the doctrine of the vicarious, substitutionary atonement.

"Smitten of God" It was God's will that Jesus die (cf. Isa. 53:10; John 3:16; Mark 10:45; 2 Cor. 5:21). Jesus' trial and death were not accidents or mistakes, but the plan of God (cf. Acts 2:23; 3:18; 4:28; 1 Pet. 1:20).

53:5 "pierced. . .crushed" As "bore" and "carried" in Isa. 53:4 were parallel, so too, these verbs.

pierced ‒ BDB 319, KB 320, Poal participle usually by a sword in battle, but not here. The same root means "polluted" for mankind's purification and forgiveness.

crushed ‒ BDB 193, KB 221, Pual participle; this verb is used several times in Isaiah

Isa. 57:15 ‒ Niphal participle, "the heart of the contrite"

Isa. 3:15 ‒ Piel imperfect, "crushing My people"

Isa. 19:10; 53:5 ‒ Pual participle, "to be crushed"

Isa. 53:10 ‒ Piel infinitive construct, "to crush"

It denotes one who is humbled. In this context by YHWH Himself for the greater good of all mankind.

53:6 This is the OT counterpart to Rom. 3:9-18,23; 5:12,15,18; 11:32; Gal. 3:22. This shows the terrible development of the Fall of Genesis 3 (cf. Gen. 6:5,11-12; Ps. 14:3; 143:2).

"the iniquity of us all to fall on Him" Jesus died for the sins of the entire world. Everyone is potentially saved by Christ (cf. John 1:29; 3:16-17; 12:47; Rom. 5:18; 1 Tim. 4:10; Titus 2:11; Heb. 2:9; 7:25; 1 John 2:2; 4:14). Only willful unbelief keeps anyone from God.

Some commentators have tried to make a restrictive theological distinction between the "all" [twice] of Isa. 53:6 and "the many" of Isa. 53:11d and 12e. However, the parallelism of Rom. 5:18, "all" and "the many" of Isa. 5:19, clearly shows that they refer to the same group (i.e., fallen humanity made in the image and likeness of YHWH, Gen. 1:26-27).

God desires all humans to be saved ‒ John 4:42, 1 Tim. 2:4; 4:10; 2 Pet. 3:9).

Uncle Bob.
May Christ Jesus be glorified-

Rom 3:4 May it not be. [let be But God] true, and every man a liar, as it has been written, That you should be justified in your words, and should overcome in your being judged.

Rom 3:5 But if our unrighteousness [God's righteousness commends], what shall we say? is [unjust God], the one bearing upon the anger? (according to man I speak.)

Rom 3:6 May it not be; since how shall God judge the world?

Rom 3:7 For if the truth of God [in my untruth abounded] to his glory, why yet also I as a sinner am judged?


Rom 3:8 and not, as we are blasphemed, and as some say we say, that, We should do the bad things that [should come the good things]. Their judgment is just.


(4) Impossible! Rather let God be seen to be true though all mankind should be proved false, even as the Psalmist looked upon his own sin as serving to enhance the triumph of God’s justice. Speaking of that justice for the moment as if it could be arraigned before the bar of a still higher tribunal, he asserts its absolute and complete acquittal.

That thou mightest be justified.—Strictly, in order that, here as in the Hebrew of the Psalm. Good is, in some way inscrutable to us, educed out of evil, and this is clearly foreseen by God, and forms part of His design, though so as not to interfere with the free-will of man. Religion assumes that the two things, free-will and omnipotence, are reconcilable, though how they are to be reconciled seems an insoluble problem. The same difficulty attaches to every system but one of blank fatalism and atheism. But the theory of fatalism if logically carried out would simply destroy human society.
Psalms 51, in which the quotation occurs, is commonly (in accordance with the heading), though perhaps wrongly, ascribed to David after his sin with Bathsheba. The effect of this sin is to throw out into the strongest relief the justice of the sentence by which it is followed and punished. The original is, “That thou mightest be just in thy speaking; that thou mightest be pure in thy judging.” St. Paul adopts the rendering of the LXX., who make the last word passive instead of active, thus making it apply, not to the sentence given by God, but to the imaginary trial to which by a figure of speech that sentence itself is supposed to be submitted.
 
May Christ Jesus be glorified-

Rom 3:4 May it not be. [let be But God] true, and every man a liar, as it has been written, That you should be justified in your words, and should overcome in your being judged.

Rom 3:5 But if our unrighteousness [God's righteousness commends], what shall we say? is [unjust God], the one bearing upon the anger? (according to man I speak.)

Rom 3:6 May it not be; since how shall God judge the world?

Rom 3:7 For if the truth of God [in my untruth abounded] to his glory, why yet also I as a sinner am judged?


Rom 3:8 and not, as we are blasphemed, and as some say we say, that, We should do the bad things that [should come the good things]. Their judgment is just.

(4) Impossible! Rather let God be seen to be true though all mankind should be proved false, even as the Psalmist looked upon his own sin as serving to enhance the triumph of God’s justice. Speaking of that justice for the moment as if it could be arraigned before the bar of a still higher tribunal, he asserts its absolute and complete acquittal.

That thou mightest be justified.—Strictly, in order that, here as in the Hebrew of the Psalm. Good is, in some way inscrutable to us, educed out of evil, and this is clearly foreseen by God, and forms part of His design, though so as not to interfere with the free-will of man. Religion assumes that the two things, free-will and omnipotence, are reconcilable, though how they are to be reconciled seems an insoluble problem. The same difficulty attaches to every system but one of blank fatalism and atheism. But the theory of fatalism if logically carried out would simply destroy human society.
Psalms 51, in which the quotation occurs, is commonly (in accordance with the heading), though perhaps wrongly, ascribed to David after his sin with Bathsheba. The effect of this sin is to throw out into the strongest relief the justice of the sentence by which it is followed and punished. The original is, “That thou mightest be just in thy speaking; that thou mightest be pure in thy judging.” St. Paul adopts the rendering of the LXX., who make the last word passive instead of active, thus making it apply, not to the sentence given by God, but to the imaginary trial to which by a figure of speech that sentence itself is supposed to be submitted.
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Different Views of the Atonement

Thus far, we have been giving a defense for the doctrine of substitionary atonement. But are we even sure that this is the Bible’s teaching on the subject? Some emergent authors have recently argued that the Bible speaks of the Cross in a multifaceted way, and the Cross is bigger than just the concept of substitution. For instance, emergent author Brian McLaren writes, “I think the gospel is a many faceted diamond, and atonement is only one facet, and legal models of atonement (which predominate in western Christianity) are only one small portion of that one facet.”

Of course, we would agree that the Cross is multifaceted. It didn’t occur purely or solely for the purpose of substitution; other purposes were no doubt in view in the mind of God. However, we strongly contend that substitution was the primary or central purpose of the Cross. We hold this view for a number of reasons:

REASON #1: Many passages speak about the active wrath of God.

While Scripture does speak of God’s passive wrath (Rom. 1:24, 26, 28), it also speaks of his active wrath (Rom. 2:16; 12:19; 1 Thess. 1:10; Lk. 12:48; Eph. 2:3). If God is actively wrathful against sin, something (or someone) would need to pay for that wrath. The Bible uses the language of propitiation to describe how God’s wrath was satisfied on Christ (Heb. 2:17; 1 Jn. 2:2; 4:10). All other models of the atonement fail to adequately interact or engage with the language of propitiation (for more on propitiation, see comments on Romans 3:25).

REASON #2: The OT points toward substitutionary atonement.


In the OT, an innocent animal was substituted for the sin of the people (Lev. 4, 16). Isaiah writes, “He [Jesus] was pierced through for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, and by His scourging we are healed” (Isa. 53:5). Erickson explains this OT concept of atonement:

The Hebrew word most commonly used in the Old Testament for the various types of atonement is כָּפַר (kaphar) and its derivatives. The word literally means “to cover.” One was delivered from punishment by the interposing of something between one’s sin and God. God then saw the atoning sacrifice rather than the sin. The covering of the sin meant that the penalty no longer had to be exacted from the sinner.[13]

The NT authors use this OT terminology to describe Christ’s substitionary work (1 Pet. 2:24; 1 Jn. 2:2; 4:10). While the Passover lamb died in the place of the Israelites in Egypt (Ex. 12), Paul writes, “Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed” (1 Cor. 5:7). When he first saw Jesus, John the Baptist said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” (Jn. 1:29) Paul refers to Jesus’ death as “an offering for sin” (Rom. 8:3), couching this verse in OT sacrificial imagery.

The concept of the blessings and cursings comes from the OT, where God would judge or bless Israel based on their obedience to his law (Lev. 26; Deut. 28). Paul writes that Christ became the curse for us, and he gave us his rightful blessing (Gal. 3:13).

Finally, when we consider the entire context of Hebrews 9 specifically (vv.16-28), we see that this discussion is framed in the OT sacrificial system, where an innocent animal was forgiven for the sins of the people. The NT authors framed these other passages in an OT context as well (Jn. 1:29; Mt. 26:28), making the OT sacrificial system the proper context in which we should understand the atonement.[14]

REASON #3: The NT claims that substitutionary atonement is the primary—though not exclusive—way that we should understand the Cross.


Paul says that he delivered the message of the gospel to the Corinthians (1 Cor. 15:1-2), and he explained the message that was of “first importance” (1 Cor. 15:3). His language does not refer to the order of speech (i.e. “this is the first thing I need to say…”). Instead, “first importance” refers to the primacy of this doctrine (i.e. “this is at the top of the list…”).[15] There are a number of reasons for affirming substitutionary atonement:

1. The Bible affirms that sinful humans get their righteousness from Christ.

(2 Cor. 5:21) He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

(1 Pet. 3:18) For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit.

(Phil. 3:8b-9) That I may gain Christ, 9 and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith.

(Rom. 5:19) For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

(Rom. 3:25-26) God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

(1 Pet 2:24) He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.


2. The NT ascribes the blood of Christ as the means through which we have peace with God.

(Rom. 3:25) God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith.

(Rom. 5:9) Having now been justified by His blood.

(Eph. 1:7) In Him we have redemption through His blood.

(Eph. 2:13) In Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

(Col. 1:20) Through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

(Mt. 26:28) This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

3. Christ died for human beings as a substitute for our sin. The Reformers called this The Great Exchange: We give Christ our sin, and he gives us his righteousness. The word “justification” (Greek dikaiosis) is a legal term, referring to being declared judicially not guilty. Paul writes, “Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Rom. 8:1). Earlier in Romans, Paul argued that as sinful people, our “condemnation is just” (Rom. 3:8) and sin results “in condemnation” (Rom. 5:16; c.f. v.18). However, by virtue of the Cross, we have “no condemnation” (Rom. 8:1).

(1 Thess. 5:10) [Christ] died for us.

(Rom. 8:32) He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all.

(2 Cor. 5:14) [Christ] died for all.

(Eph. 5:2) Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us.

(Gal. 1:4a) [Jesus] gave Himself for our sins…

(Rom. 4:25) He who was delivered over because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification.

(Rom. 5:8-9) But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

4. The NT affirms that Christ’s death was a substitutionary ransom. Jesus said, “For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many” (Mk. 10:45).

Erickson explains that the concept of “ransom” implies a substitute and payment. He writes, “The word λύτρον (lutron—‘ransom’) with its cognates is used nearly 140 times in the Septuagint, usually with the thought of deliverance from some sort of bondage in exchange for the payment of compensation or the offering of a substitute.”[16] Of course, Christ saw himself as a substitute for us (Jn. 15:13).

5. Jesus viewed his work as completed on the Cross. Before he died, he said, “It is finished!” (Jn. 19:30) Of course, if Jesus’ atonement continued after his death, what was “finished” at the Cross?

In addition to these passages, the gospels emphasize the death of Christ through selective history. We know virtually nothing about the childhood of Jesus, but we know considerable details about his death. In fact, much of the Gospel of John (Jn. 13-19) focuses on the last day of Jesus’ earthly life. Why would these authors spill so much ink over the Passion Week, unless this was theologically significant?

For these reasons, we hold that penal substitutionary atonement makes the most sense of the biblical data on the Cross.

You want to say something @synergy?
I see that you keep promoting God's sadistic wrath on Christ satisfaction theory. Heb. 2:17 does not promote that misunderstanding at all. Reconciliation is not necessarily a sadistic wrath encounter. Carry on if you must.

(Heb 2:17) Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. (KJV)
 
It scares me when people do not understand that as a fact. Throughout history, people with that type of mentality allowed themselves to do unspeakable crimes like that against their fellow man!

This is false.

It would assume the proposition "all killing is inherently evil no matter what."

Thus making God the most evil person to ever exist, for he kills all of his human children—every one of them dies.

It's absurd—and it takes a demonic power to blind the eyes to God's holiness and put humans feeling good as the ultimate idol to be worshiped.

If you ever know the wrath of the One who spread a thousand galaxies and whose purity makes archangels tremble.

Well, you would understand he has the power to kill and make alive, without us whining he is a monster for it.

Such wickedness in the human heart, to criticize God for this power!

To reduce and water down his love to a level of soulish emotional idolatry that his holiness must worship and grovel before!

It is wickedness, and one day when you finally see your evil heart and the power of God and the wrath you actually deserve.

You will fall on your face and repent.
 
I see that you keep promoting God's sadistic wrath on Christ satisfaction theory. Heb. 2:17 does not promote that misunderstanding at all. Reconciliation is not necessarily a sadistic wrath encounter. Carry on if you must.

(Heb 2:17) Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. (KJV)
Who is espousing God's "sadistic wrath?"
It's just to create offense brother, when people in power ban with rules they themselves do not even follow.

While forbidding anyone to criticize them!

It's hard to walk in love with such.
I know it and he knows it.
You stay strong in our Lord Jesus Christ brother.

2Ti_4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Tit_1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

Tit_2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

Johann.
 
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