My full defense of PSA

church history thinks Mary died a virgin, She is the mother of God. the eucharist is Jesus literal blood and flesh.

I will take the word of God over history of men.

Gods justice was satisfied. this is penal substitution 101

if his justice is not satisfied. then we are still dead in our sin
Nope church history does not believe that, the Catholics do. Nice try though
 
I am not "judging" his heart, I am "judging" his actions.

And Scripture says I can do that.

He bails on the fathers when he doesn't like them, and then says "No one before Calvin!" when he wants his argument to win.
Look none of the ECFs were inspired and many of them taught numerous errors
 
That began with Augustine , he is their father
like I said, when they came to power. they had a book burning party. any history not written in the word that did not fit their theology was burned..

so if your expectring to find some things.. You will be hard pressed to see anything

it does not mean no one thought or believe it

but thats why I stick to the bible.. It was not tainted. (although the english language can miss some fine points) and can be trusted
 
Look none of the ECFs were inspired and many of them taught numerous errors
another reason to stick to the word of God.

it is living and powerfull, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

also, as paul said to timothy,

2 tim 3: 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 hat the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
another reason to stick to the word of God.

it is living and powerfull, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

also, as paul said to timothy,

2 tim 3: 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 hat the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Agreed which is why I reject PSA which doctrine began at the reformation just like tulip did . :)
 
Agreed which is why I reject PSA which doctrine began at the reformation just like tulip did . :)

its in the word. so it did not start at the reformation.

You failed in listening to my point

penal is just another word used in a court of law.

when a person is convicted of a crime, they are given a sentence which that person must pay for his sins (as I heard the other day, we have free will i what we can chose. but we do not have free will on the consequences)

God told adam the result of he sinned against him, he would die.. And he did. the day he sinned, you can see the huge change in Adam and eve both.. the things of God became foolishness to them, because they died.. they died to God (spiritually) and they died to truth. They had to be restored to fellowship with God. and Jesus showed them how. The death of an innocent was a symbol of what Christ would do when he came, gen 3" 15 being the first messianic prophecy.

Thats why jesus did on the cross. he took our sin, so he could be the substitute to be judged for our sin, so we could be set free and be restored to a right relationship with him

this is the message of the bible from genesis to revelation.
 
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