Is Speaking In Tongues For Today?

[AlwaysOnAJourney]

What do you consider to be enough faith?

First thing you need to answer with all truthfulness is who do you think Jesus was/is?

I have no idea what is enough faith. But I think because a lot of people ask Jesus into their hearts to escape hell. They probably don't get saved by this because they ask out of wrong motives. What do you think about that?

I try to believe in Jesus the way the Bible describes Him.

Matthew 16:13-20

13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[ loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.

 

[AlwaysOnAJourney]

One question that keeps bothering me.

How do you we know what tongues are supposed to sound like? How do we know that the tongues we hear in Churches today, sound like the tongues we read about in the Bible. We don't have any audio recordings of them.

 

[Watchman]

One question that keeps bothering me.

How do you we know what tongues are supposed to sound like? How do we know that the tongues we hear in Churches today, sound like the tongues we read about in the Bible. We don't have any audio recordings of them.

The Bible speaks about the tongues of men and of angels (1 Cor. 13:1). There are over 8,000 known languages in the world. Even the best linguists can only speak maybe 20 or 30 of these, so there will always be many languages that we do not recognise, but that does not mean that they are not real.

I knew someone who went to a church meeting in Wales, where he heard someone praying to God in refined German. He could speak German well, so he went over to the person, after the prayer ended, and tried to start a conversation in German. The person could not understand him, since he had never learned German...

 

[MTMattie]

I have no idea what is enough faith. But I think because a lot of people ask Jesus into their hearts to escape hell. They probably don't get saved by this because they ask out of wrong motives. What do you think about that?

I try to believe in Jesus the way the Bible describes Him.

Matthew 16:13-20

13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[ loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.

Do you recall the telling of the man who brought his son to Jesus for healing. Mathew 17:

The man: “Lord, have mercy on my son, for he is a lunatic and is very ill; for he often falls into the fire and often into the water.

“I brought him to Your disciples, and they could not cure him.”

Jesus: And Jesus answered and said, “You unbelieving and perverted generation, how long shall I be with you? How long shall I put up with you? Bring him here to Me.”

And Jesus rebuked him, and the demon came out of him, and the boy was cured at once.

The disciples: Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, “Why could we not drive it out?”

Jesus: So Jesus said to them, “Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you.

It does not take a lot of faith but it does take knowing who Jesus is... which you will learn in the bible and believing what you read.

No one will come and wave a magic wand over you and then you will feel assured that now you understand and know and have the "correct" amount of faith. It is you who simply must stop questioning and start believing.

I doubt if anyone posting here these days ever had a "magic" conversion.

Remember, we are told faith come by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

You said " I have no idea what is enough faith. But I think because a lot of people ask Jesus into their hearts to escape hell. They probably don't get saved by this because they ask out of wrong motives. What do you think about that?"

And I agree.

I also think too many folks just assume that once dead they will be walking through those pearly gates, not even thinking about anything other then they have always been told people die and go to heaven . Period.

I know a man who was baptized as a teen because he was with those who were being baptised and he has no idea why he was.
He is now 81 years old.. Wife died from Covid.... and all he keeps telling their invalid daughter in her 40s is that mom went to help God in heaven ....and he is waiting for the same for himself.

I know another man. Jewish married to a deceased Roman Catholic... who when I brought up about Jesus, briefly once he said He believes in Jesus, and that He might even be the Son of God. Our discussion stopped there.

But IMO it boils down to what you truly want.

You obviously are seeking and searching for something or you would not be questioning here. Do you think there might be an outside chance that you are being drawn?

Only one person , that is no longer posting on here, or anywhere, because of the way she was talked to, had a true, and honest conversion from one that never owned a bible, much less read one to being "chosen" and convicted in her heart that all she now can do is praise God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit and live only for them.

One other, who was a rough neck in his youth and even arrested to boosting cars as a teen was sitting in back row of a balcony in church where no others were and he heard a voice. "You shall teach My word"... and this one looked around and saw no one and again it came "You shall teach My word" And the rest is history because this man ultimately was pastor of a mega-church and he has since passed on...

You may or may not have heard of him . He was Dr. Frederick K.C. Price of Crenshaw Christian Center.

I loved when ha shared that.

There simply is not one way for all.

If you want it believe.

Believe Jesus was born of a virgin . and was conceived by the Holy Spirit.

Believe that he dies for your sins and shed His blood for your salvation hanging so painfully on a cross.

Believe he did rise on the third day after His crucifixion (which was not Friday but that convo need to be another thread)

And believe He sits on the right had of God, the Father in Heaven.

Believe this, and know this and all understanding will come to you as you read and study and yes... "question"...some things.

For it is your believing that is your faith that is that of a mustard seed. And it is enough.

 

[MTMattie]

One question that keeps bothering me.

How do you we know what tongues are supposed to sound like? How do we know that the tongues we hear in Churches today, sound like the tongues we read about in the Bible. We don't have any audio recordings of them.

If you want to hear tongues, go to a gathering where someone who professes to be a healer is healing. There you will hear tongues and you dont even have to be a participant. If you dont... it is not a true healer ... Yes, very Charismatic.... And no I am not.

As to me I never understand what I am saying. One time years ago I tried to write out what I said into the computer to see what language it was...
just a few words and it said something about an ancient mid Eastern language.

I have since tried that but for some reason nothing comes up so I assume I am not to know. Fine.

When I was in high school I barely got a c average in both years I took high school French. Reason.. I could not roll my Rs.

When my birth mom died and dad remarried he remarried a first generation here Italian woman. Her family spoke a lot of Italian.
I never could because I can not roll my Rs.

So one day as I am driving.. ( used to pray in tongues a lot when driving).. and I started to speak.. and a new language was coming out of my mouth. No idea what. But. I was rolling my Rs perfectly through out.

And I never have been able to do so since.

You will not know what you are speaking. Tongues is to... well here, this link says it pretty good

BTW, I dont speak for hours on end. I have never awakened up at night feeling compelled to. I simply pray a few sentences. (Not everyone does. And if you never, you still are my brother in Christ )

20 Reasons Why It Is So Important To Speak In Tongues

Being baptized in the Holy Spirit does not make one believer better than another.

www.gregsimas.org

Being baptized in the Holy Spirit does not make one believer better than another. There are no inferior believers in God's Kingdom.

But what the Baptism in the Holy Spirit does is create an advantage. The Baptism in the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues gives access to greater realms of God, which benefits us deeply and those around us profoundly.

This post is not an apologetic defending Spirit baptism. Still, it's for those who have experienced the fullness of the Spirit and want to go deeper in understanding its power and benefits.

In this article, I'll share with you two lists. The first list defines five general yet essential reasons for what happens when we speak in tongues. The second list gives more specific reasons why it's so important to engage the Spirit by speaking in tongues.

Five General Reasons to Speak in Tongues:
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1. When speaking in tongues, we are speaking directly to God.

This answers the, 'who am I speaking to when I pray in tongues?". When speaking in tongues, we speak in a language God has given us to speak to him.

1 Corinthians 14:2 "For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God,"

2. When we speak in tongues, we are speaking mysteries.

Mysteries are invitations into greater depths of God's heart and greater realms of revelation. We begin to get access to these mysteries by praying in the spirit.

1 Corinthians 14:2 "… in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

3. When we speak in tongues, we strengthen ourselves.

When we speak in tongues, we are given the ability to strengthen, i.e., bulk up, the spirit man.

1 Corinthians 14:4 "He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself,"

Jude 20 "But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,

4. When we speak in tongues, we build capacity for God.

Praying in the spirit widens our capacity for the life of God and builds and strengthens our connection with our spirits and God's.

Ephesians 3:16, 19 "that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man… 19 "… to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

5. When we speak in tongues, we experience personal transformation.

The Holy Spirit has empowered the believer and made them more like Jesus. Sin's influence weakens as we make room to strengthen our spirits, ushering us into the Power of Christ within us.

Romans 8:29 "For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren."

Here are twenty reasons why speaking in tongues is so important:
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1. Tongues were the visible proof that the disciples received the Holy Spirit (Acts 2).
2. Tongues were the sign that Christ's church had been born to the Jew (Acts 2) and the Gentile (Acts 10).
3. Speaking in tongues is what convinced both Peter and the governing church authority (the Apostles) that the Gentiles are saved and could be saved (Acts 11).
4. Speaking in tongues was a vital part of the Apostle Paul's life and teaching (1 Cor. 14:18).
5. Speaking in tongues is tied to the Gospel of Mark's great commission (Mark 16:14–20).
6. Speaking in tongues is the supernatural language given by God to believers. Thus, it is the language of God's Spirit and His Kingdom.
7. Speaking in tongues gives us spirit-to-spirit communication with God (Rom. 8:26-27).
8. Speaking in tongues allows us to access the mysteries of God (1 Cor. 14:2).
9. Praying in tongues is the number one way believers strengthen themselves (1 Cor. 14:2).
10. Speaking in tongues tames the tongue that James says in the most unruly body member (James 3:1–12).
11. Praying in tongues is always the perfect prayer (Rom. 8:26-27).
12. Praying in tongues releases miraculous intercession for people we know and those we don't.
13. Praying in tongues is governmental because it accesses the heart of God and prays what He wants to do on earth (Rom. 8:26-27).
14. The gift of tongues and interpretation of tongues is used by the Holy Spirit to both edify and strengthen the church (1 Cor. 12, 14).
15. Speaking in tongues can lead people to repentance.
16. Praying in tongues is the leading way we fulfill the mandate to pray without ceasing (1 Thess. 5:17).
17. Speaking in tongues is part of our spiritual armor (Eph. 6:18).
18. Praying in tongues brings our spirit into unity with God's purposes.
19. Praying in the Spirit renews our minds.
20. Praying in tongues builds the interior life of the believer.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I've been thinking that I should just give up. I couldn't begin to tell you how many times I prayed the salvation prayer, or how many times I've been through the Bible, or listened to Bible based sermons.

Why do you pray the salvation prayer. There is no salvation prayer. Jonah says, "Salvation is of the Lord." This means salvation is entirely in the hand and will of God.
Romans 10:9-10 is not a salvation formula. Saul is quoting the Old Testament to a people in Rome ALREADY SAVED. He is bringing encouragement to a people ALREADY SAVED, so it is not a salvation formula.

Or even prayed. From 1986 - present I have always identified as a Christian. But if all of that doesn't get my heart right with Jesus, then God has rejected me.

No one knows whose names are in the book of life of the Lamb slain from [Before] the foundation (creation) of the world (Rev. 13: 8.) Before God created heaven, earth, and man He determined from eternity who is to receive life and eternal life and nothing you do or don't do will change what He has ordained. So, stop praying for salvation because it does not move the hand of God. God moves about and has His being in heaven and earth, and it is His will be done on both realms. But I will say this: those that have their lives invaded by the God of the universe will most assuredly KNOW they are saved.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

One question that keeps bothering me.

How do you we know what tongues are supposed to sound like? How do we know that the tongues we hear in Churches today, sound like the tongues we read about in the Bible. We don't have any audio recordings of them.

God is NOT a "Monolith". THERE'S infinite variety to Him. "Tongues may be "High German", Swahili, or no known earthly language at all.

In fact: "Tongues", "Interpretation of Tongues", "Word of Wisdom", "Word of Knowledge", and "Prophesy" are all the SAME GIFT - i.e. The Holy Spirit puts HIS words into your mind, and you simply SPEAK THEM as they flow in.

Personally, I HAVE NEVER sopken to a congregation during a meeting in "tongues", but I HAVE delivered "Interpretation of Tongues, and occasionally spoken Prophesy publicaqlly, and have a "Tongue" which I speak in private. 1 COr 14 ouitlines several (but probably not all) of the specific uses that "Tongues may have depending on the situation. The list of "gifts" in 1 Dor 12 is also not inclusive, and several in the "GIfts mentioned iar only "Categories" (like "miracles").

 

[MTMattie]

Why do you pray the salvation prayer. There is no salvation prayer. Jonah says, "Salvation is of the Lord." This means salvation is entirely in the hand and will of God.
Romans 10:9-10 is not a salvation formula. Saul is quoting the Old Testament to a people in Rome ALREADY SAVED. He is bringing encouragement to a people ALREADY SAVED, so it is not a salvation formula.

No one knows whose names are in the book of life of the Lamb slain from [Before] the foundation (creation) of the world (Rev. 13: 8.) Before God created heaven, earth, and man He determined from eternity who is to receive life and eternal life and nothing you do or don't do will change what He has ordained. So, stop praying for salvation because it does not move the hand of God. God moves about and has His being in heaven and earth, and it is His will be done on both realms. But I will say this: those that have their lives invaded by the God of the universe will most assuredly KNOW they are saved.

Until a dozen or so from another forum come at you that you are not saved and then you wonder if your certainty has been for the eventuality of being cast into hell. ( another subject for another day)

Dont you think that @AlwaysOnAJourney has been selected but just does not know what to do about it.

Do YOU believe that Calvin was right when he said (the reprobate) would be “barred from access to” salvation and sentenced to “eternal death .

I dont and I wont.

Not for a person who is sincerely looking for guidance.

In my own 20s I prayed the sinners prayer ad nauseum and always came away feeling.... nothing.
@AlwaysOnAJourney said "I've been thinking that I should just give up."
Would you agree with that if it was your child saying that, or your wife, or your mother and dad?
Again I encourage everyone... especially @AlwaysOnAJourney to read about Karla Faye Tucker's journey

BBC NEWS | Special Report | 1998 | Karla Faye Tucker | Tucker speaks out on prime-time TV

Karla Faye Tucker, 38, is on death row for her part in a gruesome double murder 15 years ago. She is scheduled to be given a lethal injection on February 3. Recently she took part in a television interview with CNN's Larry King.
"Does it get worse every day?" asked King in the hour-long interview from Tucker's prison in Texas.

"No. It gets a little more exciting every day," she said.

Tucker, who became a Christian while serving her prison sentence, says she is not afraid of the pending execution.

Larry King: Does it get worse every day?

"Just to see how God is unfolding everything. Every day something new comes up and it's exciting to be a part of it because there's a lot going on, and it's going to affect a lot of people," she said.


"And it's a blessing to be a part of it, and it's exciting to know that God has a plan for this. I am not down. A little tired sometimes, but not down. Never pessimistic."
And never ever forget the Prodigal Son.. Luke 15:11-32

Which was told for a reason.

 

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'And when they agreed not among themselves,
they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word,
.. 'Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
.... Saying, Go unto this people, and say,
...... Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand;
........ and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
.......... For the heart of this people is waxed gross,
............ and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed;
.............. lest they should see with their eyes,
................ and hear with their ears,
.................. and understand with their heart,
.................... and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Be it known therefore unto you,
that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles,
and that they will hear it.'
(Act 28:25-28)

@Bob Carabbio
@Watchman
@MTMattie

Hello there,

Thank you for your responses.

The reason for my belief that tongue speaking is not for 'today', Is because the writings of Paul from prison, following the divine revelation he received regarding the fellowship of the church which is the Body of Christ, after the final rejection by the elders of the Jews of the dispersion of the gospel of God concerning His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ: contain no mention of spiritual gifts of any form. Those epistles are Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon.

During the period covered by the book of Acts, a period of forty years, opportunity was given for Israel, both in the land and in the dispersion to come to repentance, and according to the words of God ministered by Peter in Acts 3:10-21, God would have sent the risen Christ back to the earth. Every means throughout that period was used to that end, including the distribution of spiritual gifts, which were a portent of millennial blessings within the church, as signs, and the introduction later of believing Gentiles into the Olive Tree of Israel, to make the Jew jealous, and seek to emulate them; but to no avail. This now awaits a future fulfillment.

After Isaiah 6 was quoted by Paul to the elders in Acts 28:25-27 the curse it contained fell upon Israel, and salvation was sent to the gentiles, for they would hear it (v.28): and Israel, as a nation, went into the darkness of unbelief. Only believing individuals, among Jew and Gentile, are now brought together, in Christ Jesus, as a unified and equal company, a joint body, Within this company there are no spiritual gifts recorded in those epistles written for them following that event (named above).​

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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What's your definition of "That perfect" which terminates the gifts???

'For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
But when that which is perfect is come,
then that which is in part shall be done away.
When I was a child, I spake as a child,
I understood as a child,
I thought as a child:
but when I became a man,
I put away childish things.'
(1Co 13:9-11)

Hello @Bob Carabbio,

'Perfect' (Gr, teleios) in this verse means, ('that which has reached it's end'), or finished.

* I believe it's end has been reached, for now all is of faith, in the spirit.
* This is another example of the use of the word, so that we can compare Scripture with Scripture::-

'I press toward the mark
for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, (e.g., have reached the end or goal)
be thus minded:
and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded,
God shall reveal even this unto you.'
(Php 3:14-15)

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Within this company there are no spiritual gifts recorded in those epistles written for them following that event (named above).

SO, in other words your "Theology" is based in what the Bible DOESN'T SAY. Sounds ROman Catholic, to be sure. They formulate their "doctrines" on the same thing.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

'For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
But when that which is perfect is come,
then that which is in part shall be done away.
When I was a child, I spake as a child,
I understood as a child,
I thought as a child:
but when I became a man,
I put away childish things.'
(1Co 13:9-11)

Hello @Bob Carabbio,

'Perfect' (Gr, teleios) in this verse means, 'that which has reached it's end', or finished.

I believe it's end has been reached, for now all is of faith, in the spirit.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

So why does Paul state that he "sees through the glass "DARKLEY". That doesn't sound too "perfect" to me!!!

 

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SO, in other words your "Theology" is based in what the Bible DOESN'T SAY. Sounds ROman Catholic, to be sure. They formulate their "doctrines" on the same thing.

Hello @Bob Carabbio,

Yes, it is by the absence of reference to the gifts in those epistles, written for the Church which is The Body of Christ, that led me to this conclusion. I can't speak for the R.C. for I know little of them, or of the way they formulate their doctrines.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Watchman]

'And when they agreed not among themselves,
they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word,
.. 'Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
.... Saying, Go unto this people, and say,
...... Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand;
........ and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
.......... For the heart of this people is waxed gross,
............ and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed;
.............. lest they should see with their eyes,
................ and hear with their ears,
.................. and understand with their heart,
.................... and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Be it known therefore unto you,
that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles,
and that they will hear it.'
(Act 28:25-28)

@Bob Carabbio
@Watchman
@MTMattie

Hello there,

Thank you for your responses.

The reason for my belief that tongue speaking is not for 'today', Is because the writings of Paul from prison, following the divine revelation he received regarding the fellowship of the church which is the Body of Christ, after the final rejection by the elders of the Jews of the dispersion of the gospel of God concerning His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ: contain no mention of spiritual gifts of any form. Those epistles are Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon.

During the period covered by the book of Acts, a period of forty years, opportunity was given for Israel, both in the land and in the dispersion to come to repentance, and according to the words of God ministered by Peter in Acts 3:10-21, God would have sent the risen Christ back to the earth. Every means throughout that period was used to that end, including the distribution of spiritual gifts, which were a portent of millennial blessings within the church, as signs, and the introduction later of believing Gentiles into the Olive Tree of Israel, to make the Jew jealous, and seek to emulate them; but to no avail. This now awaits a future fulfillment.

After Isaiah 6 was quoted by Paul to the elders in Acts 28:25-27 the curse it contained fell upon Israel, and salvation was sent to the gentiles, for they would hear it (v.28): and Israel, as a nation, went into the darkness of unbelief. Only believing individuals, among Jew and Gentile, are now brought together, in Christ Jesus, as a unified and equal company, a joint body, Within this company there are no spiritual gifts recorded in those epistles written for them following that event (named above).​

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

An argument from silence is one of the weakest of all arguments. Have you considered that the epistles you mentioned, are simply not about spiritual gifts, and that that is why they are not mentioned?

 

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So why does Paul state that he "sees through the glass "DARKLEY". That doesn't sound too "perfect" to me!!!

Hello again, @Bob Carabbio,

The fact that he saw as through a glass darkley, did not prevent him from running the race for the prize of the high calling, or for enduring to the end (which is reaching perfection or the finish).

Thank you, Bob
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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An argument from silence is one of the weakest of all arguments. Have you considered that the epistles you mentioned, are simply not about spiritual gifts, and that that is why they are not mentioned?

Hello @Watchman,

Yes, I agree, but it is what I have.

The epistles were concerning, 'The Church which is The Body of Christ', a new creation, following Israel's departure into the darkness of unbelief, so I believe the absence of any reference to the presence of spiritual gifts, such as tongue speaking, is significant.

Thank you,
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Watchman]

Hello @Watchman,

Yes, I agree, but it is what I have.

Then I'm sure you realise that don't have proof, or even any strong evidence, for your cessationism.

The epistles were concerning, 'The Church which is The Body of Christ', a new creation, following Israel's departure into the darkness of unbelief, so I believe the absence of any reference to the presence of spiritual gifts, such as tongue speaking, is significant.


Thank you,

In Christ Jesus

Chris

1 Cor. has several things to say about speaking in tongues. No more teaching on it was needed.

 

[praise_yeshua]

God is NOT a "Monolith". THERE'S infinite variety to Him. "Tongues may be "High German", Swahili, or no known earthly language at all.

In fact: "Tongues", "Interpretation of Tongues", "Word of Wisdom", "Word of Knowledge", and "Prophesy" are all the SAME GIFT - i.e. The Holy Spirit puts HIS words into your mind, and you simply SPEAK THEM as they flow in.

Personally, I HAVE NEVER sopken to a congregation during a meeting in "tongues", but I HAVE delivered "Interpretation of Tongues, and occasionally spoken Prophesy publicaqlly, and have a "Tongue" which I speak in private. 1 COr 14 ouitlines several (but probably not all) of the specific uses that "Tongues may have depending on the situation. The list of "gifts" in 1 Dor 12 is also not inclusive, and several in the "GIfts mentioned iar only "Categories" (like "miracles").

1Co 14:11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.

I curious just how do you know your interpretation is correct?

The "sign" of tongues is found in the fluent revelation of God in human language. There is no sign to be understood when the hearer has to rely upon another person's "word" for interpretation.

You see such in how Paul somewhat discounted the supposed "witness" of Agabus.

Act 21:10 While we were staying for many days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea.
Act 21:11 And coming to us, he took Paul's belt and bound his own feet and hands and said, “Thus says the Holy Spirit, ‘This is how the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.’”
Act 21:12 When we heard this, we and the people there urged him not to go up to Jerusalem.
Act 21:13 Then Paul answered, “What are you doing, weeping and breaking my heart? For I am ready not only to be imprisoned but even to die in Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus.”

Just what did this serve? Paul knew he would die in Jerusalem.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Hello again, @Bob Carabbio,

The fact that he saw as through a glass darkley, did not prevent him from running the race for the prize of the high calling, or for enduring to the end (which is reaching perfection or the finish).

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All you're doing is Re-defining "Perfection" in a way which makes your "Theology" consistent with your chosen paradigm.

The more COMMON "Religious paradigm" is that "that perfect" is the Biblical canon, or in one farther out case, the invention of the printing press (Which made the Bible available to the masses.

 

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@Bob Carabio​

All you're doing is Re-defining "Perfection" in a way which makes your "Theology" consistent with your chosen paradigm.​

​

The more COMMON "Religious paradigm" is that "that perfect" is the Biblical canon, or in one farther out case, the invention of the printing press (Which made the Bible available to the masses.​

Hello @Bob Carabbio

'Your Theology', Religious 'paradigm'??

* Having Christ as my Saviour and Lord, I am quite happy to leave the words of Scripture to speak for themselves.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our Lord and Head,
now risen and glorified,
and sat at God's right hand.
Chris