AlwaysOnAJourney
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My understanding is, once you get saved then you got to do those things to grow in the faith.
Is Speaking In Tongues For Today?
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My understanding is, once you get saved then you got to do those things to grow in the faith.
DavidTree
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Religion loves to make things up so that they can puff themselves up and say "we are God's apostles, you must listen to us"
DavidTree
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God has not rejected you.
He would of rejected me before you anyway and HE still has me in His Hand.
AlwaysOnAJourney
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For years I was ok with my own belief system. I always felt like I could use the improvement and that as time went by I would grow in the Lord. But other Christians around me seemed to act strange. At least I couldn't understand their ways. It began to bother me that I'm being rejected to treated odd by other people who call themselves Christians. I thought surely out of all of these people there has got to be someone that is a true follower of Christ. Someone even better at then me! Too many times I discovered that I knew the scripture better than they do!
In 2015 someone woman came into my life and treated me differently then anyone else I have ever met before. She was very mysterious to me, but a so called believer in Jesus. This year she surprised me more than ever before! She releases a book she wrote, and then also claims that God was leading her into missions. So she quits her job of 9 years and goes. Something in my emotions or spirit felt very sick about this. I did some research to figure out why I'm feeling the way I do. What came up shocked me even more. The organization that she joined with has been known since the 1980s to cause spiritual abuse, and some people who go through it come out leaving the faith. As I dug a little deeper and found her local Church then I discovered that they are basically a N.A.R. type Church. They are lead by an "apostle" who claims that He goes on prayer trips to do spiritual warfare. One day I was listening to a sermon by him, and He told the congregation that in the spirit he was in Obama's bedroom, and saw a demon there.
This Woman friend, of mine, seems to also believe that when you get saved, Jesus doesn't clean out all the demons right away. You got to go through a process of deliverance and giving up sin, to gradually get rid of them.
This kind of teaching sounds really weird too me. And that is not all!!!! I've been trying to listen to the entire school they did in 2014. It is around 42 hours long! Cause they seem to think they go everything right, and most of our other Churches don't have it all right.
I feel really sorry for her, because I know she had some inter struggles that caused her to go to this Church for help. According to her this Church did help her. But did they really? Or is she just being deceived into thinking they helped her.
I got to admit it takes faith to quit your job and obey Jesus to go into missions. But I think her Church has gradually brainwashed her some. And therefor I'm not sure that it really is Jesus calling her into missions. I think it is her own emotions reacting to a podcast she heard. We can all try to share our faith right where we live. It makes me wonder, what is the point of being called away into a foreign land. If she actually goes to a place where the people around her hasn't heard the gospel yet, that kinda makes sense. But then they want you to be careful that you don't change their culture in the process of sharing the gospel. That means, try to blend in...
Getting back to me. I have been struggling with a learning disability my whole life. I know what it is like to have inner struggles. I know what it is like to work and mostly live in isolation. No fellowship with other believers. It's awful, and I've had to live this way for 22 years! It makes me wonder what is Jesus doing with me? I don't understand. I hope He comes back soon, and will take Me, Her, and You out of here. Cause this world is and the Christian Church has become a huge mess! I can feel all of this weighing on my emotions or spirit almost constantly. I often cry.
DavidTree
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DavidTree
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I also grew up with some learning disabilities.
DO NOT fret over this for there are many who are highly educated and intellectually minded but cannot tell the difference between their right hand and their left!
For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.
But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the [m]base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence. But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”
SEE - God chose this foolish, unwise, unnoble David to be SAVED and for us to know Him = Nothing better than that Brother
AlwaysOnAJourney
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From time to time I think of that scripture, but sometimes things feel so emotionally heavy on me, that I don't think about that scripture. When often go through the hell of feeling stupid, and then something makes me feel intelligent, and then not long after I start to feel good, I feel stupid again. This could be a spiritual battle or it could be chemical battle, or a little of both. We all got our Crosses to bare.
I continue to pray for my friend. But what really hurts is that she won't email with me. As far as I can tell she only does social media now. I heard that the mission organization she is with, sometimes encourages them to break off contact with some family and friends, who are outside of the group.
*I'm not on FB or IG anymore. That is a whole another story. I am going to private message you a link to tongue speaking audio file. I would like to read your take on it.
Certainly - prayer, reading the Bible, etc., help you to grow in the faith, but they don't save you or keep you saved (it's Jesus who does that).
Fellow Traveler
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Sometimes, church communities end up creating an unofficial ranking system, even if it’s unintentional. People who have more noticeable gifts, like prophecy or speaking in tongues, might be seen as more spiritual or closer to God than others. As a result, some church members may feel like they're sitting in spiritual first class while others are stuck in economy.
This isn't how God designed His church to work. Every believer has equal worth in God's eyes, and every gift He gives has special value. When we start ranking gifts and the people who have them, we create walls between church members that shouldn't exist.
This isn't how God designed His church to work. Every believer has equal worth in God's eyes, and every gift He gives has special value. When we start ranking gifts and the people who have them, we create walls between church members that shouldn't exist.
MTMattie
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Once I got saved, I wanted to grow in the faith.
I have an odd story, but will just say this.
I did not fell so much saved when I was younger and I certainly did not live that way.
It was at the age of about 36 that I got to the point of knowing I needed to repent and this I did. Not a 100% but from that that I felt were the major offenses and spent the next 24 years in growing and learning my faith. I identified it as growing with God.
Then something happened and I fell away from that growth for a long period.
It was not until my spirit became convicted that I had to change, and then I knew. I believe. and my faith has been growing ever since because I want it to.
It is obvious to me @AlwaysOnAJourney that you want your faith to grow too. What is not obvious is where your belief actually is. For you need to believe and have faith first and then once you know and accept and believe about that man who hung on a cross bleeding His blood for your sins
that born again salvation occurs.
BTW, I can and do speak in tongues. Not daily. Not even often. And no, I have no idea what I am saying.
AlwaysOnAJourney
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Exactly what happens if Jesus decides not to do it.
AlwaysOnAJourney
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What if one can't get enough faith in Jesus to get saved?
If he has saved you, then he keeps you saved. He is the good shepherd and none of his sheep will perish.
AlwaysOnAJourney
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Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
MTMattie
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What do you consider to be enough faith?
First thing you need to answer with all truthfulness is who do you think Jesus was/is?
Those who say, "Lord, Lord", but who do not do the Father's will, demonstrate thereby that they have not been saved. By their fruit you will know them, not by their empty claims.
Complete
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'Charity never faileth:
but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail;
whether there be tongues, they shall cease;
whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
But when that which is perfect is come,
then that which is in part shall be done away.
When I was a child, I spake as a child,
I understood as a child, I thought as a child:
but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
For now we see through a glass, darkly;
but then face to face:
now I know in part;
but then shall I know even as also I am known.
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three;
but the greatest of these is charity.'
(1Cor. 13:8-13)
Hello there,
I do not believe that tongue speaking is for today.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail;
whether there be tongues, they shall cease;
whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
But when that which is perfect is come,
then that which is in part shall be done away.
When I was a child, I spake as a child,
I understood as a child, I thought as a child:
but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
For now we see through a glass, darkly;
but then face to face:
now I know in part;
but then shall I know even as also I am known.
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three;
but the greatest of these is charity.'
(1Cor. 13:8-13)
Hello there,
I do not believe that tongue speaking is for today.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
MTMattie
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You're wrong. If you think that there is biblical proof of cessationism, then feel free to provide it (but there isn't any...). That which is perfect has obviously not come yet; we still know in part, prophesy in part, see through a glass darkly and not yet face-to-face.
Bob Carabbio
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What's your definition of "That perfect" which terminates the gifts???
