Is Speaking In Tongues For Today?

[DavidTree]

Acts 2:39 is water baptism by immersion.. not the 'baptism of (or 'in') the Holy Spirit.

This is water baptism for the fact of already been converted. Like taking a pill 'for' the cold. You already have the cold.. so you take the pill.

Water baptism.. you are already converted.. so you get baptised by immersion in water in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Also-- the receiving of the Holy Spirit here-- is most likely as a whole group.. after conversion.. being empowered as a new church.

The Book of Acts is about the Baptism in the Holy Spirit.

Acts chapter 1
And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

 

[360watt]

The Book of Acts is about the Baptism in the Holy Spirit.

Acts chapter 1
And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

Yes so it comes back to the key contextual questions of who exactly is receiving this and what time and place. It's not the same kind of baptism every time.

 

[DavidTree]

Yes so it comes back to the key contextual questions of who exactly is receiving this and what time and place. It's not the same kind of baptism every time.

Which GOD our FATHER answered in the Gospel, in Acts, in the Apostles Letters.

Acts chapter 1
And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Acts chapter 2
For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

Acts chapter 10
While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.

 

[360watt]

Which GOD our FATHER answered in the Gospel, in Acts, in the Apostles Letters.

Acts chapter 1
And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Acts chapter 2
For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

Acts chapter 10
While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.

You've also got Acts 19 and other parts of Acts

 

[DavidTree]

You've also got Acts 19 and other parts of Acts

Correct

Acts chapter 19 demonstrates the difference between water baptism and the Baptism in the Holy Spirit.

 

[TomL]

You've also got Acts 19 and other parts of Acts

Like Acts 8

Acts 8:14–19 (KJV 1900) — 14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. 18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, 19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.

 

[DavidTree]

And they were all filled (diffused throughout their souls) with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other (different, foreign) languages (tongues), as the Spirit kept giving them clear and loud expression [in each tongue in appropriate words].
Acts 2:4

Th Bible tells us that the Holy Spirit was first poured out upon believers on the Day of Pentecost when the disciples were all gathered together, waiting for the gift that Jesus reminded them God the Father had promised them.

It is important to note that when the gift of the Holy Spirit was given to the assembled disciples, all 120 of them began to speak in tongues. That's the gift of speaking in tongues. That gift of speaking in tongues has never been revoked; it is still available to all believers who will receive it today. It is part of the whole range of gifts that are given us through the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

I don't think everyone has all of the gifts. But we [collectively] are Christ’s body and [individually] we are members of it, each part severally and distinct [each with his own place and function].

So God has appointed some in the church [for His own use]: first apostles (special messengers); second prophets (inspired preachers and expounders); third teachers; then wonder-workers; then those with ability to heal the sick; helpers; administrators; [speakers in] different (unknown) tongues.
Are all apostles (special messengers)? Are all prophets (inspired interpreters of the will and purposes of God)? Are all teachers? Do all have the power of performing miracles?
Do all possess extraordinary powers of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?
1 Corinthians 12:27-30

The obvious answer would be no.

Not everyone has the gift of tongues — to stand up in a congregation and speak in tongues with interpretation, which would equal a prophecy given in the church or worship service. But every believer who receives the baptism of the Holy Spirit has been given the ability to pray in tongues and to speak to God in our own individual prayer language.

Paul says in 1 Corinthians 14:13–14
13 Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.

This sounds like a type of miraculous speech that is unknown to the speaker even as they are speaking. Otherwise, they wouldn’t need to pray for the interpretation. It’s worth noting here that even prior to Pentecostalism, A.T. Robertson held the view that tongues in 1 Cor 14 were “not foreign languages, but a mode of utterance different from all human language.”

Pentecostals affirm what is often called a “private prayer language.” This type of prayer is a miracle of speaking (glossolalia) without a miracle of hearing (akouolalia). Still, it is reserved for communication between an individual and God because no one else will understand it.

This is why Paul says, “Those who speak in a tongue build up themselves” 1 Corinthians 14:4

Do you know of any scripture(s) that give a prophetic timeline or 'end date' of the "Gifts of the Holy Spirit" ???

 

[360watt]

In Ephesians 4.. what is 'the unity of the faith', the 'measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ'...that allowed the Ephesians to be 'no longer tossed by every wind of doctrine'?

Ephesians 4:13-16 KJV - 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

 

[DavidTree]

In Ephesians 4.. what is 'the unity of the faith', the 'measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ'...that allowed the Ephesians to be 'no longer tossed by every wind of doctrine'?

Ephesians 4:13-16 KJV - 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

This is the unity of "THE FAITH"

Genesis 15:6 - “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Jude 1:3 "Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints."

 

[360watt]

This is the unity of "THE FAITH"

Genesis 15:6 - “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Jude 1:3 "Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints."

Okay, thanks for this David.

So following up... the Ephesians 4 verses show the unity of the faith, the measure.etc... as growing in Christ.. not so much Jesus Himself if you catch my drift.

Description of things of Christ..rather than actually Him

 

[DavidTree]

Okay, thanks for this David.

So following up... the Ephesians 4 verses show the unity of the faith, the measure.etc... as growing in Christ.. not so much Jesus Himself if you catch my drift.

Description of things of Christ..rather than actually Him

Description of things of Christ..rather than actually Him

i understand your quest of "description of things of Christ"

Please clarify your "rather than actually Him" = since no one can be "actually" Him!!!

 

[360watt]

i understand your quest of "description of things of Christ"

Please clarify your "rather than actually Him" = since no one can be "actually" Him!!!

I mean THE faith... is not Jesus Himself but the things we do to love Him...for example

 

[DavidTree]

I mean THE faith... is not Jesus Himself but the things we do to love Him...for example

Yes, we are commanded to "Love God with all our heart, all of our soul and all of our strength."

Respectfully, 'The Faith' is Christ from Day 1 = "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Peace and Good Night

 

[DavidTree]

I mean THE faith... is not Jesus Himself but the things we do to love Him...for example

I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
Galatians 2:20

 

[jeremiah1five]

Question: Is Speaking In Tongues For Today?

Answer: Yes.

What God began on the day of the Feast of Harvest (Pentecost) continues until the Lord's physical return. Then, we will all be known face to face.

 

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reply to OP Q

No.

 

[AlwaysOnAJourney]

I don't have a problem with people speaking in tongues if it is really from the Holy Spirit. The problem is, I can't tell if it is from the Holy Spirit or not. I read or heard that even the Mormon's speak in tongues. That group added to scripture extra books. Which is why Normal Christian's consider them to be a cult, and not saved.

Personally I'm getting fed up with the whole tongue speaking and healing crowd in Christianity. Some of them are making claims that they are raising the dead, and traveling to places in the spirit. I can't test and see if any of the claims are true or not. But one thing I have heard, that there are people who fake such things.

When something s really of God, I want in. But when people start acting careless and stupid with it, I want nothing to do with it.

 

[DavidTree]

I don't have a problem with people speaking in tongues if it is really from the Holy Spirit. The problem is, I can't tell if it is from the Holy Spirit or not. I read or heard that even the Mormon's speak in tongues. That group added to scripture extra books. Which is why Normal Christian's consider them to be a cult, and not saved.

Personally I'm getting fed up with the whole tongue speaking and healing crowd in Christianity. Some of them are making claims that they are raising the dead, and traveling to places in the spirit. I can't test and see if any of the claims are true or not. But one thing I have heard, that there are people who fake such things.

When something s really of God, I want in. But when people start acting careless and stupid with it, I want nothing to do with it.

Excellent post
i have witnessed the "acting careless" and the false claims of some and agree that is = "i want nothing to do with it"

Our confidence is in our Heavenly Father's words:
Hebrews 6:18 - "It is impossible for God to lie"
Matthew 4:4 - "Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’ ”
John 17:17 - "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth."

The Holy Spirit blessed me with the gift of tongues, which did not come from any religion or modern day 'movement'.
The Key is in receiving the Truth, believing the Truth and walking in the Truth of His Word = on any subject

It is also contrary to God if we reject His Truth and then speak against it = such as the false doctrine of 'cessation of gifts'.

 

[AlwaysOnAJourney]

Excellent post
i have witnessed the "acting careless" and the false claims of some and agree that is = "i want nothing to do with it"

Our confidence is in our Heavenly Father's words:
Hebrews 6:18 - "It is impossible for God to lie"
Matthew 4:4 - "Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’ ”
John 17:17 - "Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth."

The Holy Spirit blessed me with the gift of tongues, which did not come from any religion or modern day 'movement'.
The Key is in receiving the Truth, believing the Truth and walking in the Truth of His Word = on any subject

It is also contrary to God if we reject His Truth and then speak against it = such as the false doctrine of 'cessation of gifts'.

I'm not obligating you to answer these questions. I'm merely asking them in case anyone wants too. I feel over whelmed by it all. The more research I do the more over whelmed I feel.

Have you ever heard of the view called the Patterns in Scripture?

What do you think about modern day apostles?

What do you think about Christian's who believe that we commanded to keep the Jewish feasts like Passover?

What do you think about those who get slain in the spirit?

Recently I heard someone say this. When Jesus comes in, He doesn't remove all the demons all at once. You got to keep surrendering them over. Got to keep getting delivered from them.

What do think about Christian's who believe that you can LEARN to hear God's voice.

I have recently come across these kinds of thoughts in full force. In my earlier years, I heard of some of this stuff, and just shrugged it off. Yet recently I learned that someone I had interacted with in person, for 9 years, is into all of this stuff, and I didn't even know it! As I've been trying to learn and understand these ideas, and where they come from. My heart beats fast, and I feel sick. As far as I can tell, people who are into all of this stuff think of themselves as being "better" Christians than people like me, who are just basically "saved" and believe the Bible. I try to do what the Bible says...

My Church background puts me in the middle some where.... I'm not from a cessation Church and yet I wasn't exposed to much of this stuff. The people that I knew who said they could hear from God, always seemed to be wrong, by what they said. Which is why I feel sick when I hear people say "God told Me".

 

[DavidTree]

I'm not obligating you to answer these questions. I'm merely asking them in case anyone wants too. I feel over whelmed by it all. The more research I do the more over whelmed I feel.

Have you ever heard of the view called the Patterns in Scripture?

What do you think about modern day apostles?

What do you think about Christian's who believe that we commanded to keep the Jewish feasts like Passover?

What do you think about those who get slain in the spirit?

Recently I heard someone say this. When Jesus comes in, He doesn't remove all the demons all at once. You got to keep surrendering them over. Got to keep getting delivered from them.

What do think about Christian's who believe that you can LEARN to hear God's voice.

I have recently come across these kinds of thoughts in full force. In my earlier years, I heard of some of this stuff, and just shrugged it off. Yet recently I learned that someone I had interacted with in person, for 9 years, is into all of this stuff, and I didn't even know it! As I've been trying to learn and understand these ideas, and where they come from. My heart beats fast, and I feel sick. As far as I can tell, people who are into all of this stuff think of themselves as being "better" Christians than people like me, who are just basically "saved" and believe the Bible. I try to do what the Bible says...

My Church background puts me in the middle some where.... I'm not from a cessation Church and yet I wasn't exposed to much of this stuff. The people that I knew who said they could hear from God, always seemed to be wrong, by what they said. Which is why I feel sick when I hear people say "God told Me".

BETTER then "patterns in Scripture" is the Reliable Consistency of TRUTH found in Scripture whereby we can fully trust the Scriptures.

Modern day apostles do not exist today for a true Apostle must be DIRECTLY appointed by the LORD.

The Apostle Paul qualifies for three reasons:
#1 - He lived during the days that Jesus walked the earth and no doubt knew of Him before his conversion.
#2 - The LORD appeared to Paul and appointed him
#3 - This was verified by the Holy Spirit, with the other Apostles and other witnesses = Scripture Itself bearing Witness

'Slain in the spirit' is a man-made doctrine
The Ministry of the Holy Spirit is to convict/convince/encourage/sanctify and to be lead by the Holy Spirit = 100% Everyday Truth

'Cessation of gifts' is a very evil doctrine that DIRECTLY opposes the Holy Scriptures of Truth and God's Will for the saints/believers.

The Holy Spirit led me to quite a few denominations after i was born again and baptized in the Holy Spirit.
i was raised under Roman Catholicism, which i hope you know is evil.
We DO NOT condemn the catholics but only the Vatican and it's false apostles with their corrupt doctrines.

SHALOM