Wrong. Are you seriously saying that pentecostal regeneration happened specifically to Cornelius before the Day of Pentecost, where everyone was regenerated? By what spirit was Cornelius regenerated since Pentecost only first happened afterwards at the Day of Pentecost.
Irresistible Grace
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God chooses to save those that believe
1 Corinthians 1:21 (ESV) — 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.
those with faith he makes his son
Galatians 3:26 (ESV) — 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.
The Rogue Tomato
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If human nature is not sinful, then surely someone by now (besides Jesus) would have led a sinless life. It would be statistically impossible for nobody to do that.
Oh, and we are all born in the line of Adam except Jesus, who was born of God.
Sorry no one is made alive who does not believe
John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
John 5:40 (KJV)
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Acts 11:18 (KJV)
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
John 6:53 (ESV) — 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
John 6:57 (KJV)
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
So Jesus was not human?
Hebrews 2:14–17 (ESV) — 14 Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery. 16 For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham. 17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
brightfame52
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Cornelius was regenerated and given a heart that fears God, his prayers were accepted of God before he heard and believed the Gospel Acts 10:2,4,31
A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.
And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.
31 And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.
brightfame52
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The word of Salvation is sent to the regenerated elect, who have a heart prepared to receive it
The Rogue Tomato
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Jesus was fully man and fully God. You are not. I am not. Nobody else is.
brightfame52
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Lol, News flash, all the Saints of God were regenerated before the day of pentecost. The disciples, all the OT Saints, John the Baptist, Abel,. The Day of pentecost had nothing to do with regeneration.
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So he would have had the same human nature as his brothers
Hebrews 2:14–17 (ESV) — 14 Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery. 16 For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham. 17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
You failed to deal with the scriptures
Sorry no one is made alive who does not believe
John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
John 5:40 (KJV)
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Acts 11:18 (KJV)
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
John 6:53 (ESV) — 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
John 6:57 (KJV)
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
Cornelius was unregenerate until he believed
Acts 11:14–18 (ESV) — 14 he will declare to you a message by which you will be saved, you and all your household.’ 15 As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell on them just as on us at the beginning. 16 And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17 If then God gave the same gift to them as he gave to us when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way?” 18 When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, “Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life.”
The Rogue Tomato
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Yeah, you left out the fully God part.
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You are post the same book over and over. Once would have been enough.
You are post the same book over and over. Once would have been enough.
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Look no further than Jesus. He humbled himself to our level and showed that it's possible. There is no record of his mother sinning after 2000 years of her life being scrutinized by billions of people.
Name me one sin that Jesus' Mother committed. Maybe you can find one. Nobody else has been successful in doing so.
The bottom line is that if human nature is sinful then so is Jesus since he took on the very nature we all possess.
Still trying to get you to deal with the fully human part
Did Christ have a sinful human nature?
A yes or a no would do.
The Rogue Tomato
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Seriously? There's no record of Charlie Johnson of Hoboken, NJ sinning, either. I guess that proves human nature is sinless.
The Rogue Tomato
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No. Now try to deal with the fully God part.
If no how was he like all his brothers in every way?
Christ is fully God
That part was never in doubt
You failed miserably to prove that his mother sinned. I wouldn't feel bad about that because you're in the company of billions who have done just that.
Also by holding on to your desire that human nature is sinful, you are in fact claiming that Jesus is also sinful since he took on the very nature we all possess.
