The Pagan, Gnostic Origin of Calvinism

[atpollard]

2Peter 1:20-21,
- knowing this first that no prophecy of the scriptures is of any private interpretation
- for the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit

Quoting verses doesn't prove the word is treaching Calvinism.
All of the verses you quoted are misrepresented by your church doctrine.

MY doctrine (from Chapter 3 of the 1689 Baptist Confession) was posted immediately following the Scripture Verses that stated EXACTLY the same thing as my doctrine.

Any misrepresentation in this conversation is coming from YOUR end.

Once again, here are the verses:

• Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: - Isaiah 46:10
• In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: - Ephesians 1:11
• Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed [it] by an oath: - Hebrews 6:17
• For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. ... Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth. - Romans 9:15,18

Here are some questions based on the quoted verses (with simple “yes/no” answers):

• Does God Declare the end from the beginning?
• Does the counsel of God stand?
• Does God do all his pleasure?
• Are we predestined according to the purpose of God?
• Does God work all things according to the counsel of His own will?
  • Does “all things” really mean ALL THINGS?
• Is God’s counsel immutable (unchanging)?
• Does God have mercy upon whom God will have mercy?

If all the answer to all these questions is “yes” (as the scripture quoted states), then I offer the statement of belief from the 1689 Baptist Confession that aligns with what I believe Scripture teaches:

God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass - 1689 Baptist Confession (Chapter 3, Paragraph 1)

• Has God decreed all things? (“Declaring the end from the beginning”) (“worketh all things”)
• Was it from all eternity? (“from the beginning”)
• Was it by the counsel of His will? (“after the counsel of His own will”)
• Is the counsel of God “wise and holy”?
• Does “all things” mean ALL things … whatsoever comes to pass?

I have presented the VERSES, the critical questions on what those verses say (or do not say), and the statement of belief drawn from those verses and what they say. That is what I believe and why. Note that John Calvin and “The Institutes” play no part in what God said or what I believe based on what God said.

 

[TedT]

You are correct the biblical model is hearing the gospel then believing the gospel which results in regeneration, new birth, born again, salvation, eternal life etc........

I agree...

 

[Titus]

MY doctrine (from Chapter 3 of the 1689 Baptist Confession) was posted immediately following the Scripture Verses that stated EXACTLY the same thing as my doctrine.

Any misrepresentation in this conversation is coming from YOUR end

If we used the Bible for defining everything we believe, teach and put into practice then there is no need for manuals, creeds, confessions, etc.

The only reason one would need to have creeds, manuals, confessionals, etc. is to teach doctrines that is not taught in the word of God.

2Timothy 3:16-17,
- ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine for reproof for correction for instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be complete throughly equipped for every good work

Scripture claims all suffinciency for doctrine and practice.

If your religion truly followed the Scriptures alone.
They would not have developed the addition of the 1689 Baptist Confession.

 

[Titus]

Mathew 15:9,
- in vain do they worship Me teaching as doctrines the commandments of men

 

[Titus]

MY doctrine (from Chapter 3 of the 1689 Baptist Confession) was posted immediately following the Scripture Verses that stated EXACTLY the same thing as my doctrine.

Any misrepresentation in this conversation is coming from YOUR end

Notice your avatar.
Scripture Alone.
Christ Alone.
Grace Alone.
Faith Alone.
To the glory of God Alone.

1689 Confession violates Scripture Alone.

 

[atpollard]

1689 Confession violates Scripture Alone.

Not when it just quotes scripture in an organized, systematic summary of important topics.
You are refusing to comment on either the SCRIPTURE that I posted or the SUMMARY of that scripture from the Confession. The “authority” is still in the SCRIPTURE rather than the Confession that quotes and summarizes it.

You offer neither.
You offer your opinions on what I believe.

 

[Titus]

Not when it just quotes scripture in an organized, systematic summary of important topics.
You are refusing to comment on either the SCRIPTURE that I posted or the SUMMARY of that scripture from the Confession. The “authority” is still in the SCRIPTURE rather than the Confession that quotes and summarizes it.

You offer neither.
You offer your opinions on what I believe.

Scripture is the Holy Bible.
Anything in addition that teaches you must agree to it or you cannot be in fellowship is not Scripture alone.

Your church doctrine has additional doctrines added on that must be agreed to, to be in fellowship.
That is not BIBLE alone.
Where in the Bible does it teach Christian's must agree to a confessional to be allowed to fellowship with? Nowhere.
Your Baptist confession is an addition.
Obviously there is no Baptist church in the new testament or Baptist confession.
New testament Christians in the Bible fellowshiped with those who believed the Scriptures alone.

 

[civic]

Scripture is the Holy Bible.
Anything in addition that teaches you must agree to it or you cannot be in fellowship is not Scripture alone.

Your church doctrine has additional doctrines added on that must be agreed to, to be in fellowship.
That is not BIBLE alone.
Where in the Bible does it teach Christian's must agree to a confessional to be allowed to fellowship with? Nowhere.
Your Baptist confession is an addition.
Obviously there is no Baptist church in the new testament or Baptist confession.
New testament Christians in the Bible fellowshiped with those who believed the Scriptures alone.

and it teaches tulip doctrines as necessary.

 

[atpollard]

Your church doctrine has additional doctrines added on that must be agreed to, to be in fellowship.

False, learn more about the Baptist Distinctives.

 

[atpollard]

and it teaches tulip doctrines as necessary.

False. At least half of all Baptists are General Baptists (therefore rejecting TULIP) like the Particular Baptists. The 1689 Baptist Confession just happens to have been written by Particular Baptists that wanted something LIKE the WCF to summarize their beliefs without the non-Baptist parts (like infant baptism).