What's Wrong with Calvinism?

[Presby02]

Once again you make a false statement.

I have never stated such as you have falsely claimed.

You should post where such a claim was made or repent of the falsehood.

He said you must be born again. You claim OT saints do not have to be born again. How else should one interpret what you said? Did Old Testament saints have to be born again ti see the kingdom of heaven? Clarify your position.

 

[civic]

Its not a strawman at all. If your right and through means because of then faith logically precedes grace.

Faith is the instrument or means whereby Gods grace is applied. Its not because of your faith.

no grace precedes both salvation and faith.

 

[Presby02]

no grace precedes both salvation and faith.

Good. Then its not because of faith then.

 

[civic]

Good. Then its not because of faith then.

Sure it is since Gods grace precedes both salvation and faith. The text declares that fact.

Salvation is because of grace and faith is the means a person uses to gain salvation.

I guess you don’t believe salvation comes through faith , that the righteous shall live by faith , that faith comes by hearing the word of Christ , the gospel , that the new birth as Peter says comes after gear ibg and believing the gospel, the word of God.

hope this helps!!!!

 

[TomL]

He said you must be born again. You claim OT saints do not have to be born again. How else should one interpret what you said? Did Old Testament saints have to be born again ti see the kingdom of heaven? Clarify your position.

You must be born again to see the kingdom of heaven

That is to experience his kingdom.

I never stated anyone could see the kingdom without being born again.

To claim that is to present a total falsehood.

Nowhere in scripture however do you read of being born again under the old covenant.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Let me help you out. " knowing who is making this statement". Its not obvious? And who is making the statement is not the point of contention. Thanks for contributing absolutely nothing to the conversation.

Its not "by",, its through. Good try

No!!! There are dozens of references that say you are wrong. Through has other meanings then what by want to believe.

4 sources of synonyms and they all include the basic same ones......

Synonyms for "through" include "across," "via," "during," and "by means of." These words can be used in various contexts to convey similar meanings. Merriam-Webster

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preposition as in by way of
as a consequence, as a result, at the hand of, because of, by, by dint of, by means of, by reason, by the agency of, by virtue of, for, in consequence of, in virtue of, per, through the medium of, using, via, with, with the help of

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Has 550 synonyms... and 239 prepositions.
See the link cause I am not going to c&p them here.

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Sense: Preposition: as a result of
Synonyms:
owing to, because of, as a result of, from, out of, by dint of (dated), by way of, by means of, by virtue of, by reason of, as a consequence of, in consequence of (formal), at the hand of, by the hand of, by the grace of, thanks to