Irresistible Grace

[Biblelesson]

Absolutely.

Paul was unique. Others are unique. I think of how God has fit together the "Body of Christ". Paul was included in the eyes and ears of that Body. He held a rank and privilege that not every man held. His work was essential to edification of the Church of God. As such, God personally intervened in His life. God hasn't done this for many people. God has even done this for most anyone I believe would qualify as one of the "Elect". Just saying that there isn't an direct application here for everyone.



We all qualify for this. We are all labor and are heavy laden.

Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

There it is there no, getting around it. I'm retired now but I thoroughly enjoyed all my work history. I have always tried to do the best job I could possibly do. I learned that from my Dad he taught me how to work.

 

[praise_yeshua]

It's funny you should ask as I've answered that question several times before. Usually after I give my answer I give it bewildered stare in return.

So here's my answer. Before I was converted I didn't know how to love...at all. At least as far as human beings were concerned. I've had a few Chevrolets that I loved especially a '67 Corvette. And Harley's don't even give me started on them.

I didn't even love myself because I realized how selfish and self-centered I was. All I did was use people and I was good at pretending I loved them If need be. But I knew I didn't.

But the love of God changes that. Once I became a child of God and learned how much He loved me I began to love others.
It amazes me how much I love people nowadays.

I once believed the way you do. We share several things in common. Which is true of most of humanity. We are not all that different from one another though we often pretend we are.

I changed my mind once I realized what Jesus said.

Luk 6:32 “If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them.
Luk 6:33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same.

I read those verses for years without paying attention to "sinners do the same".....

There is an appeal to "natural affection" in the words of Paul.

2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

"Heartless". Not all sinners are heartless. Sinners naturally love their own.

Eph 5:29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church,

You knew what love was long before Christ ever came along to change you.

 

[Biblelesson]

I once believed the way you do. We share several things in common. Which is true of most of humanity. We are not all that different from one another though we often pretend we are.

I changed my mind once I realized what Jesus said.

Luk 6:32 “If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them.
Luk 6:33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same.

I read those verses for years without paying attention to "sinners do the same".....

There is an appeal to "natural affection" in the words of Paul.

2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

"Heartless". Not all sinners are heartless. Sinners naturally love their own.

Eph 5:29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church,

You knew what love was long before Christ ever came along to change you.

I may have known what love was before I got saved but I think I was traveling under a misconception. Let me put this way...for me I was incapable of loving the way God calls us to Love.

If we keep this up we'll have to get to the Administrator to start a section for counseling. LOL

But seriously we could ask @Eunice Harper If she would be willing to be a counselor.

 

[Mod2]

I may have known what love was before I got saved but I think I was traveling under a misconception. Let me put this way...for me I was incapable of loving the way God calls us to Love.

If we keep this up we'll have to get to the Administrator to start a section for counseling. LOL

But seriously we could ask @Eunice Harper If she would be willing to be a counselor.

She does look like she would make a good counselor. Just one look from her would make you see the error in your ways.

I probably wouldn't make a good counselor as I only have one line which is "Ain't that special"

 

[Ray]

As a result of Adam’s fall and rebellion, he lost his native ability to will that which is good. “Giving over to a reprobate mind” means that God consigns mankind to live in a condition that can only be undone by the gospel. It can only be undone by a powerful, regenerative work of the Holy Spirit to renew the will, to renew the affections, and to give a new heart.

The natural man only does evil all the time from the point of view of God’s holiness. This doesn’t mean that every reprobate is as reprobate as he possibly can be; there are gradations of sin. But all of mankind is fallen. All of mankind is in a state of sin and inability, and only the gospel can liberate them from that condition.

I think that Paul is saying in Romans 1:28 that all of mankind have been given over to a reprobate mind. And from all of mankind he chose who would believe in him, He elected them.

I think you just don't understand Calvinism.

YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND CALVINISM!

After years of discussing this topic with many Calvinistic brothers I have come to this firm conviction… It is impossible to rightly represent a view with which you disagree to the satisfacti…

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[TomL]

@TomL



Obviously you did, and I took time to explain, dont expect me to do that often for you

You never explain anything. You assume your view and reject all scripture which rebuts you

 

[praise_yeshua]

I may have known what love was before I got saved but I think I was traveling under a misconception. Let me put this way...for me I was incapable of loving the way God calls us to Love.

Okay. Have you considered that the fact that you loved at all.... came from God?

If we keep this up we'll have to get to the Administrator to start a section for counseling. LOL

But seriously we could ask @Eunice Harper If she would be willing to be a counselor.

Tim Conway was my favorite comedian. The "Siamese Elephants" routine was hilarious... I laugh everytime I see it... fast forward to the 2 min mark.

 

[brightfame52]

You never explain anything. You assume your view and reject all scripture which rebuts you

I wont explain it again

 

[TomL]

I wont explain it again

You never have

 

[john]

That passage is about the elect, they are by nature ungodly, and they will be saved and effectually called by Grace

lol its no secret your die herd REFORMED . Calvinist that is been well trained .in carm i use to get the same response . your trained just like the J.W well programmed . i bet in your meetings your taught to speak in unison

 

[john]

I wont explain it again

P.T.L all though you have yet to explain there was 1 poster who is reformed that posted a very respectful post

 

[john]

actually you helped me remember why i seldom reply to Calvinist post . it burns me out trying to reason , i try find good in all beliefs provided its Bible . your so far out in left field your singing put me in coach im ready to play.. you dont even know where Home plate is gezz . your blinded by the Golden cow of religion

 

[Mod2]

Okay. Have you considered that the fact that you loved at all.... came from God?



Tim Conway was my favorite comedian. The "Siamese Elephants" routine was hilarious... I laugh everytime I see it... fast forward to the 2 min mark.

That's too funny, It fits right in! I'm still laughing

 

[TomL]

That passage is about the elect, they are by nature ungodly, and they will be saved and effectually called by Grace

So why is it the bible never states he died for the elect alone?

World, all men, all are not words which are used to denote limits

 

[Biblelesson]

Okay. Have you considered that the fact that you loved at all.... came from God?

That was great thanks brother I needed a good laugh. Good old days.

I'm going to answer your question Right now. I'm amazed at the fact that I survived my past the fact that God has his hand on me that whole time. That he changed me and save the best for last. And now I've learned part of love make that the big part of love is caring about how other people feel how they're doing. If they're okay, If there's something that I can do to make them feel better or help them in any way. Yes it came from God but the world beat it out of me when I was Young. And I considered the fact that his love was the reason I survived.

I survived Vietnam In '68 during the Tet Offensive, which was no joke. There's nothing worse than seeing one of your friends getting blown to smithereens for nothing for no reason whatsoever other than politicians playing games. Add to that 20 years of buying selling and using drugs and never getting busted. Yeah I know his hand was upon me. Especially when I consider the fact that all the friends I ran with during that 20 years are dead or in prison for life. Yeah I know who's hand was upon me.

I said I was going to answer your question and I gave you the short modified answer without details. I didn't mention how many times I've been stabbed and shot at. Or how many motorcycle wrecks I've been in. But I survived all that. And believe it or not my life is so good today I can hardly believe it. And the really good news it's... like the Bible say I'm closer to my home than I've ever been.

And yes I thank him for the ability to be able to love. To really love.

 

[john]

So why is it the bible never states he died for the elect alone?

World, all men, all are not words which are used to denote limits

because its not there and they know it

 

[Biblelesson]

because its not there and they know it

Not so fast they're hombre.

A Chosen People

Deuteronomy 10:14-15; Psalm 33:12; Psalm 65:4; Psalm 106:5; Haggai 2:23; Matthew 11:27; Matthew 22:14; Matthew 22:22; Matthew 22:24; Matthew 24:31; Luke 18:7; Romans 8:28-30; Romans 8:33; Romans 11:28; Colossians 3:12; 1 Thessalonians 5:9; Titus 1:1; 1 Peter 1:1-2; 1 Peter 2:8-9; Revelation 17:14.

Election Not Based on Foreseen Responses

Mark 13:20; John 15:16; Acts 13:48; Acts 18:27; Romans 9:11-13; Romans 9:16; Romans 10:20; 1 Corinthians 1:27-29; Philippians 1:29; Philippians 2:12-13; Ephesians 1:4; Ephesians 2:10; 1 Thessalonians 1:4-5; 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14; 2 Timothy 1:9; James 2:5; Revelation 13:8; Revelation 17:8.

Election Precedes Salvation

Acts 13:48; Romans 11:7; Ephesians 1:4; 1 Thessalonians 1:4; 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14; 2 Timothy 2:10.

Election Based on Sovereign Mercy

Exodus 33:19; Deuteronomy 7:6-7; Matthew 20:15; Romans 9:10-24; Romans 11:4-6; Romans 11:33-36; Ephesians 1:5.
he Spirit Effectually Calls

Romans 1:6-7; Romans 8:30; Romans 9:23-24; 1 Corinthians 1:1-2; 1 Corinthians 1:9; 1 Corinthians 1:23-31; Galatians 1:15-16; Ephesians 4:4; 2 Timothy 1:9; Hebrews 9:15; Jude 1:1; 1 Peter 1:15; 1 Peter 2:9; 1 Peter 5:10; 2 Peter 1:3; Revelation 17:14.

Salvation Given by a Sovereign God

Isaiah 55:11; John 3:27; John 17:2; Romans 9:16; 1 Corinthians 3:6-7; 1 Corinthians 4:7; Philippians 2:12-13; James 1:18; 1 John 5:20.

 

[john]

Not so fast they're hombre.

A Chosen People

Deuteronomy 10:14-15; Psalm 33:12; Psalm 65:4; Psalm 106:5; Haggai 2:23; Matthew 11:27; Matthew 22:14; Matthew 22:22; Matthew 22:24; Matthew 24:31; Luke 18:7; Romans 8:28-30; Romans 8:33; Romans 11:28; Colossians 3:12; 1 Thessalonians 5:9; Titus 1:1; 1 Peter 1:1-2; 1 Peter 2:8-9; Revelation 17:14.

Election Not Based on Foreseen Responses

Mark 13:20; John 15:16; Acts 13:48; Acts 18:27; Romans 9:11-13; Romans 9:16; Romans 10:20; 1 Corinthians 1:27-29; Philippians 1:29; Philippians 2:12-13; Ephesians 1:4; Ephesians 2:10; 1 Thessalonians 1:4-5; 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14; 2 Timothy 1:9; James 2:5; Revelation 13:8; Revelation 17:8.

Election Precedes Salvation

Acts 13:48; Romans 11:7; Ephesians 1:4; 1 Thessalonians 1:4; 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14; 2 Timothy 2:10.

Election Based on Sovereign Mercy

Exodus 33:19; Deuteronomy 7:6-7; Matthew 20:15; Romans 9:10-24; Romans 11:4-6; Romans 11:33-36; Ephesians 1:5.
he Spirit Effectually Calls

Romans 1:6-7; Romans 8:30; Romans 9:23-24; 1 Corinthians 1:1-2; 1 Corinthians 1:9; 1 Corinthians 1:23-31; Galatians 1:15-16; Ephesians 4:4; 2 Timothy 1:9; Hebrews 9:15; Jude 1:1; 1 Peter 1:15; 1 Peter 2:9; 1 Peter 5:10; 2 Peter 1:3; Revelation 17:14.

Salvation Given by a Sovereign God

Isaiah 55:11; John 3:27; John 17:2; Romans 9:16; 1 Corinthians 3:6-7; 1 Corinthians 4:7; Philippians 2:12-13; James 1:18; 1 John 5:20.

pssst if you been born again you are the elect contrary to the programable reformed doctrine. all you did was find scriptures with the words elect and chosen . see in reformed to be saved its almost like the AA program 12 steps .outside of Calvinism ya know us pagans /free willers the whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord . God sirs what must i do to be saved? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ .. the thief on the cross remember me ,,, today you will be with Me in paradise, you have took scriptures and twisted it to prove your doctrine... so those of us who are not reformed are not really saved are we?

because according to YOUR way we did it wrong ok enuf ive got a headache tired of beating a dead horse they're hombre.

 

[Biblelesson]

pssst if you been born again you are the elect contrary to the programable reformed doctrine. all you did was find scriptures with the words elect and chosen . see in reformed to be saved its almost like the AA program 12 steps .outside of Calvinism ya know us pagans /free willers the whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord . God sirs what must i do to be saved? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ .. the thief on the cross remember me ,,, today you will be with Me in paradise, you have took scriptures and twisted it to prove your doctrine... so those of us who are not reformed are not really saved are we?

because according to YOUR way we did it wrong ok enuf ive got a headache tired of beating a dead horse they're hombre.

Right when you're born again it's because you're one of the elect. I hate to be the one to inform you but you're not going to find the Christian God in Alcoholics Anonymous you will only find a higher power. And he'll tell you you don't have free will either because you're a slave to alcohol and always will be.

If you're really tired of beating a dead horse think about becoming a Calvinist. You can become Modern day Range Rider.

 

[john]

If you're really tired of beating a dead horse think about becoming a Calvinist. You can become Modern day Range Rider.

i thought about but this scripture came to me 15 Then He charged them, saying, “Take heed, beware of the [b]leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod.” your doctrine bread is bad medicine..your teachings does not line up with scripture. besides ia m not a programed robot so thanks but no thanks