Deliverance from Calvinism

[Jim]

Not one verse disproves the verses I quoted

And not one of the verses you posted disproves the verses I quoted.

Um it is listed alone in all verses I quoted

So what? I am beginning to think that your reading comprehension is rather limited. The fact that only faith is present in the verses you quoted does not mean in any sense that it means faith only.

If i tell you that you need a battery in your car in order to start it, does not mean that you need only a battery in your care to start it.

And in case you did not understand, everyone who calls or confesses is a believer which is sufficient for salvation

That is simply not true. First, all of the verses you posted presents faith as a necessary condition; however, none of them present faith as a sufficient condition. Second, the verses I posted demonstrates that faith is not a sufficient condition.

 

[TomL]

And not one of the verses you posted disproves the verses I quoted.

That is a purely false claim

As many verses state those who believe receive eternal life

John 6:47

Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes has eternal life.


John 3:16

For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

Eph 2:8–9

For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast.

Acts 16:31

And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”

1 John 5:13

These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

John 5:24

Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

John 11:25–26

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me, even if he dies, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die forever. Do you believe this?”

2 Thess 2:13

But we ought to give thanks to God always concerning you, brothers dearly loved by the Lord, because God has chosen you as first fruits for salvation by the sanctification of the Spirit and faith in the truth,

Eph 1:13–14

in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the down payment of our inheritance, until the redemption of the possession, to the praise of his glory.

2 Tim 3:15

and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

John 20:31

but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Gal 3:22

But the scripture imprisoned all under sin, in order that the promise could be given by faith in Jesus Christ to those who believe.

John 5:24 (LEB) — 24 Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

BTW your comment is rather illogical

So what? I am beginning to think that your reading comprehension is rather limited. The fact that only faith is present in the verses you quoted does not mean in any sense that it means faith only.

If i tell you that you need a battery in your car in order to start it, does not mean that you need only a battery in your care to start it.

And if you were told to replace your battery, your car will start?

You, however, simply ignore the fact scripture states, Believe, and you will receive life.

Making such a comment as you have is limiting your reading comprehension, not mine.

 

[Jim]

That is a purely false claim

As many verses state those who believe receive eternal life

John 6:47

Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes has eternal life.


John 3:16

For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

Eph 2:8–9

For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast.

Acts 16:31

And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”

1 John 5:13

These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

John 5:24

Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

John 11:25–26

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me, even if he dies, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die forever. Do you believe this?”

2 Thess 2:13

But we ought to give thanks to God always concerning you, brothers dearly loved by the Lord, because God has chosen you as first fruits for salvation by the sanctification of the Spirit and faith in the truth,

Eph 1:13–14

in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the down payment of our inheritance, until the redemption of the possession, to the praise of his glory.

2 Tim 3:15

and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

John 20:31

but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Gal 3:22

But the scripture imprisoned all under sin, in order that the promise could be given by faith in Jesus Christ to those who believe.

John 5:24 (LEB) — 24 Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

BTW your comment is rather illogical


And if you were told to replace your battery, your car will start?

You, however, simply ignore the fact scripture states, Believe, and you will receive life.

Making such a comment as you have is limiting your reading comprehension, not mine.

You need to buy a book on basic logic. None of those verses says that you need only to believe.

 

[TomL]

You need to buy a book on basic logic. None of those verses says that you need only to believe.

Think! Verses say those who believe will receive life

They do not say it is one thing you need, as you misread the verses.

You have failed to actually address what was posted

J

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That is a purely false claim

As many verses state those who believe receive eternal life

John 6:47

Truly, truly I say to you, the one who believes has eternal life.


John 3:16

For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

Eph 2:8–9

For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast.

Acts 16:31

And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved...

• Jim

 

[Jim]

Think! Verses say those who believe will receive life

They do not say it is one thing you need, as you misread the verses.

Those do not, but others do. Those others are not wrong.

As I said, you need to by a book on basic logic, read and learn.

 

[TomL]

Those do not, but others do. Those others are not wrong.

As I said, you need to by a book on basic logic, read and learn.

You are simply ignoring the fact verses exist, saying if you believe, you will receive life.

There are no verses that state if you believe but do not do x or/and y you cannot receive life

Your interpretation requires at least men believe, be water baptised and verbally confess Jesus is lord or they are not saved

There are zero verses that state such

So not only are you ignoring many verses that state those who believe receive life, you are also arguing based upon a claim that is found nowhere in scripture.

The result of such an argument points to you as needing to reconsider the claims you made about reading a book, logic, etc.

 

[Jim]

Your interpretation requires at least men believe, be water baptised and verbally confess Jesus is lord or they are not saved

Again, your reading comprehension is really bad. I have never said that. What I have said many times in the past and will repeat here is that God the Son, Jesus Christ, has said that whosoever believes and is baptized will be saved. It is a promise God has made to us. God has said, through the Apostle Peter, that we as believers should repent and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins and to receive the gift, the indwelling, of the Holy Spirit. That is a promise God has made. He has made other statements and promises that say that the believer who confesses will be saved. Again, that is God's statement and a promise.

What God chooses to do beyond that is quite up to Him. But God has never said that all you have to do is believe.

 

[TomL]

Again, your reading comprehension is really bad. I have never said that. What I have said many times in the past and will repeat here is that God the Son, Jesus Christ, has said that whosoever believes and is baptized will be saved. It is a promise God has made to us. God has said, through the Apostle Peter, that we as believers should repent and be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins and to receive the gift, the indwelling, of the Holy Spirit. That is a promise God has made. He has made other statements and promises that say that the believer who confesses will be saved. Again, that is God's statement and a promise.

What God chooses to do beyond that is quite up to Him. But God has never said that all you have to do is believe.

Give it up. You not only argue about the addition of water baptism, but you argued based on the verse speaking of the verbal confession Jesus is lord

Romans 10:9–10 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

That is what you have been arguing; denying faith of itself is insufficient.

And you are still ignoring the many verses that state that if you believe, you will see life.