I already proved the passages I pointed out in my previous post are in reference to Jesus.
God the Father
and no one else?
Hebrews 1:2
in these last days has spoken to us in His
Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through
whom also He made the world.
Thus, the Son is being referred to which agrees with what I affirmed.
Next...
Clear as day.
What hat did you pull that one out from?
His
Son.
Thus, the Son is being referred to.
On and on......
This is why I ignore most all of the posts written by those who deny the Lord Jesus is God.
Just more meaningless inane ramblings.
No Greek lexicons, no word comparisons, nothing but madness.
No wonder you took off here:
Just one comment especially concerning Hebrews 1:2b and that is it for now....
The translation you have for it is in err.
'in these last days has spoken to us in His
Son, whom He appointed heir of all things,
through whom also He made the world.' is not a correct translation at all.
In verse 1 the Father God spoke through his agents, the prophets, and now when after his Son was born he then spoke to us through him indeed.
And then what is added next, and in the same train of thought is that the Father through his Son made the generations/ages (to come) so his Son would speak through him, in these generations. There is no creating the Genesis world here and especially by the Son. You must think this would be bizarre and it would be.
Fortunately there are much better translations that clears it up. Take a look. And I bet you might know already it does not mean a Genesis creation...
(Heb 1:1-2) God, Who spoke to the fathers at different times in the past and in many ways by the prophets, has spoken to us in these last days by His Son, Whom He has appointed heir of all things,
by Whom also He made the ages;(AFV)
(Heb 1:2) has in these last days spoken to us by the Son, whom He has appointed heir of all,
through whom also He made the ages,(TS2009)
(Heb 1:2) has at the end of these days spoken to us through a Son, who is the pre-destined Lord of the universe, and
through whom He made the Ages. (Weymouth)
(Heb 1:2) has at the end of these days spoken to us through a Son, who is the pre-destined Lord of the universe, and
through whom He made the Ages. (WNT)
(Heb 1:2) in these last days did speak to us in a Son, whom He appointed heir of all things,
through whom also He did make the ages; (YLT)
(Heb 1:2) in these last days He spoke to us in the Son, whom He appointed heir of all;
through whom He indeed made the ages; (LITV)
(Heb 1:2) in these last days speaks to us in [His] Son, whom He appointed heir of all things,
through whom He also made the ages; (LSV)
(Heb 1:2) hath at the end of these *days spoken to us in a Son, whom he appointed heir of all,
through whom also he made the ages; (NENT)
(Heb 1:2) has in these last times spoken to us in the Son, whom He appointed heir of all things,
on account of whom also He structured the ages. (NEV)
(Heb 1:2) has in these last times spoken unto us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things,
by whom also he made the ages; (JUB)
(Heb 1:2) But now, at the end of these days, it has come to us through his Son, to whom he has given all things for a heritage, and
through whom he made the order of the generations; (BBE)
Since most translators are Trinitarian and believe already without causes, that Jesus was the one who made the original heavens and earth, they translate “ages” as “world” in this verse. But the
actual word in the Greek text means “ages,” and it should be translated that way.
Dig this Fred....
If indeed it were through Jesus that the physical world was created, then one of the ways that God spoke in the past was through Jesus. But that would contradict the whole point of the verse, which is saying that God spoke in other ways in the past, but “in these last days” is speaking through the Son....get it!
Since verses 1 and 2 say that it was “God” who spoke through prophets and through His Son, it is clear that
Father God is the prime mover and thus different from the Son. Get it! These verses show that
the Son is subordinate to God and, as a “mouthpiece” for God, is compared to the prophets.
Get it now!!
The fact that God appointed the Son to be “heir” shows that
God and the Son are not equal.
Finally get it Fred!!
in verses 3 and 4. After Christ sat down at the right hand of God, “he became as much superior to the angels” as his name is superior to theirs. “God” has always been superior to the angels. If Christ only
became superior after his resurrection, then he cannot be the eternal God. It is obvious from this section of Scripture that “the Man” Christ Jesus was given all authority and made Lord and Christ.
Again, the context dictates that the “ages” being referred to are the ages after Christ’s resurrection. In verse 2, Christ became heir after his resurrection. In verse 3, he then sat at God’s right hand after his resurrection. Verses 5 and 6 also refer to the resurrection. The context makes it clear that God was not speaking through His Son in the past, but that He has spoken “in these last days” through His Son, and
“given form to” the ages through him
The Father God has shaped the ages through his Son Fred!
Get it again. This is scripture logic Fred.
Case closed....moving on...
