civic
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no its the OT prophets Peter is talking about in the passage.
Introducing the Spirit of our Father God: his power and presence in our lives
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APAK
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@civic..as a related example...you know that John the Baptist besides his human spirit was given the spirit of Elijah to grow and walk into. And again given by the same Father via his Spirit.....this may help in understanding how the Spirit of Father God has all spirits at its disposal and used at the ready when the Father commands it.
APAK
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No, they did not actually have the slain spirit of Jesus within them per 1 Peter 1:11. Slow down a bit here.
The Spirit of the Father God placed into them, these prophets, the Messianic spirit of the future savior, of his suffering and future grace.
They did not actually possess the spirit of Christ within them as a reborn believer. Never happened then...
'the in them' does not mean as in a believer today. It means they were mindful of this spirit of Christ and his suffering given by the Spirit of God into their minds and heart.
'Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them point to or did signify'
(1Pe 1:11) searching what time or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did point to, when IT (the Spirit of God testified) testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow them.
Cleared it up for you?
civic
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you proved my point since Elijah existed before the baptist. I appreciate when you unknowingly make my points for me without having to bring them up. Thanks much appreciated my friend
APAK
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You again civic deliberately found another way to avoid my/ this conclusion and come away with your own slant and non-scriptural conclusion.you proved my point since Elijah existed before the baptist. I appreciate when you unknowingly make my points for me without having to bring them up. Thanks much appreciated my friend
The Spirit of the Father God 'houses' ALL spirits whether slated/planned or existing, in use. Elijah's spirit already existed and Christ's at that time was only planned for as spoken of even in 1 Peter 1:11 with the prophets concern of his suffering. The Father, through his own Spirit governs when any created spirit shall exist. This is key to understanding this entire conversation/discussion.
I think you need to take off those Trinity glasses in order to see straight....
civic
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That’s your presuppositions not mine nor the Bible’s .You again civic deliberately found another way to avoid my/ this conclusion and come away with your own slant and non-scriptural conclusion.
The Spirit of the Father God 'houses' ALL spirits whether slated/planned or existing, in use. Elijah's spirit already existed and Christ's at that time was only planned for as spoken of even in 1 Peter 1:11 with the prophets concern of his suffering. The Father, through his own Spirit governs when any created spirit shall exist. This is key to understanding this entire conversation/discussion.
I think you need to take off those Trinity glasses in order to see straight....
Wrangler
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The ‘gotcha’ questions do not connect to their desired conclusion.I
It's obvious the Spirit of himself comes or emanates from himself. A no-brainer. Civic gave an empty worthless question to you. I she that confused or what on this subject of the Spirit of the Father God? He's got is bad. Trinity-itis is setting in....
P1. Do you agree that existence exists?
P2. (unstated)
P3.
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Px.
C. <Inherent Contradiction>
I also love how they claim victory and that ends the conversation. And none of it is remotely related to the OP.
We say verse X exposes the trinity as a fraud. The sweep that off the table and claim all these other verses ‘support’ the trinity - but as one examines each one, they don’t hold up to scrutiny. Yet, the claim things like ‘all of Scripture points to the trinity’ when no verses specifically does.
It truly is like a Dr Seuss comedy book.
That sounds very Mormon like. Mormons believe in planned pre-existing spirits that wait until God commisions them to earth in physical form. @civic is right in stating that is nowhere found in the Bible. It is found in Mormon literature.You again civic deliberately found another way to avoid my/ this conclusion and come away with your own slant and non-scriptural conclusion.
The Spirit of the Father God 'houses' ALL spirits whether slated/planned or existing, in use. Elijah's spirit already existed and Christ's at that time was only planned for as spoken of even in 1 Peter 1:11 with the prophets concern of his suffering. The Father, through his own Spirit governs when any created spirit shall exist. This is key to understanding this entire conversation/discussion.
I think you need to take off those Trinity glasses in order to see straight....
APAK
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Well that may be true of this group although what has that to do with me? I do not believe this argument...I do not do labels remember?
So are the spirits alive when "the Spirit of the Father God 'houses' ALL spirits whether slated/planned or existing, ..."?
APAK
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What is (a) spirit?
Who is the source of spirit?
What within this source of spirit is the different source that causes the generation of different spirits into planning and into this time-based space and life?
What three general types/classes of spirit are there?
Two classes of spirit require a vessel to exist in this life. And the other does not...
So, what does it means for (a) spirit to be dead or alive? And I believe your question is asking about one class of spirit.
I do not expect you to understand this subject, I might be wrong...I'll move on anyway to another place along this thread
Tell us which Bible verses describe what you wrote about spirits, for example: "classes of spirits".
APAK
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No, I will not show you or 'them' scripture on this topic. You and them can do some work for a change, and you have to think and 'pull it out' of scripture and do some analysis work.
Similar to when @Matthias ...Matthias said that Christ was the 2nd new Moses impressed in the gospel of Matthew and you or civic balked at it until I explained it for you as he did he with typological and comparison analysis.
This subject of spirit is not too different.
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Your inability to support your "classes of spirits" concept with Bible verses clearly demonstrates that phrase is not Biblically derived. This is yet another problem your object-personified thinking cannot stand up against, and I haven't even begun to critique your table yet.
How can I bulk at something that I was not even asked about? You are just too hilarious.
APAK
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Whining that you are not getting your way as I read you protest. I don't truly think you have the insight and knowledge of scripture to understand this topic anyway based on what I've observed thus far. When you ask, 'are the spirits alive when....' that speaks volumes to me.Your inability to support your "classes of spirits" concept with Bible verses clearly demonstrates that phrase is not Biblically derived. This is yet another problem your object-personified thinking cannot stand up against, and I haven't even begun to critique your table yet.
How can I bulk at something that I was not even asked about? You are just too hilarious.
Moving along....
