I'm not ashamed of the gospel

[civic]

It doesnt matter how many verses you are shown, you cant and wont see the Truth.

Projecting again

 

[Obadiah]

Problem is a totally depraved sinner cant believe in Christ, it must be given from above. At this time, you reject the Gospel/Tulip

Sure they can... that's what the gospels for. The heart of the Gospel teaches that anyone can be saved that believes in Christ. And correct I do reject The false gospel found in tulip. Actually when you get right down to it there is no gospel In Calvinism.

This is close as they can come to the gospel:

Calvinists believe that, at the beginning of time, God selected a limited number of souls to grant salvation and there's nothing any individual person can do during their mortal life to alter their eternal fate. Either you were chosen or you were not chosen, and that's all there is to it.

 

[Obadiah]

It doesnt matter how many verses you are shown, you cant and wont see the Truth.

We already have the truth His name is Jesus, and we do see the lie that's found in Calvinism.

 

[brightfame52]

Projecting again

Havent you seen the verses used for TULIP Truths ?

 

[brightfame52]

Sure they can... that's what the gospels for. The heart of the Gospel teaches that anyone can be saved that believes in Christ. And correct I do reject The false gospel found in tulip. Actually when you get right down to it there is no gospel In Calvinism.

This is close as they can come to the gospel:

Calvinists believe that, at the beginning of time, God selected a limited number of souls to grant salvation and there's nothing any individual person can do during their mortal life to alter their eternal fate. Either you were chosen or you were not chosen, and that's all there is to it.

No they cant. Jesus makes that clear in His Teaching the Gospel Jn 6:44

 

[brightfame52]

We already have the truth His name is Jesus, and we do see the lie that's found in Calvinism.

Calvinism is the Truth of the Gospel, which sets forth the Jesus who died exclusively for the elect and saved them. Do you believe in that Jesus ?

 

[Obadiah]

No they cant. Jesus makes that clear in His Teaching the Gospel Jn 6:44

This text is not about what Calvinist would have us believe.

The first indication is in John 6:66 when some of those who were following Jesus did in fact turn away and stop following. If Jesus loses none of those who come to Him, how is it that some of those who came to Him stopped following Him? Did Jesus lose them or did He not? Or, as a third option, maybe something else entirely is going on in this text.

The second indication that something else might be going on is found in John 6:70. Calvinists who like to cite John 6:44 and some of the other verses in this chapter as proof for their doctrine of Unconditional Election almost never cite John 6:70.

Jesus answered them, Did I not choose you, the Twelve? And [yet] one of you is a devil (of the evil one and a false accuser).
71 He was speaking of Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, for he was about to betray Him, [although] he was one of the Twelve.

If God only chooses the elect then how does that work in the case of Judas. Was he one of the elect? As far as that goes how does any Calvinist know they are one of the elect?

 

[Alive]

This text is not about what Calvinist would have us believe.

The first indication is in John 6:66 when some of those who were following Jesus did in fact turn away and stop following. If Jesus loses none of those who come to Him, how is it that some of those who came to Him stopped following Him? Did Jesus lose them or did He not? Or, as a third option, maybe something else entirely is going on in this text.

The second indication that something else might be going on is found in John 6:70. Calvinists who like to cite John 6:44 and some of the other verses in this chapter as proof for their doctrine of Unconditional Election almost never cite John 6:70.

Jesus answered them, Did I not choose you, the Twelve? And [yet] one of you is a devil (of the evil one and a false accuser).
71 He was speaking of Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, for he was about to betray Him, [although] he was one of the Twelve.

If God only chooses the elect then how does that work in the case of Judas. Was he one of the elect? As far as that goes how does any Calvinist know they are one of the elect?

I get it, and can see How these verses in John 6 causes great problems for those who teach that God’s election is only to eternal life. Jesus clearly chooses Judas, just as He chooses the other eleven. And yet, Judas “is a devil.” This text either proves that reprobation is true, or that the choice, or election, of Jesus is not regarding the eternal destiny of people.

 

[brightfame52]

This text is not about what Calvinist would have us believe.

The first indication is in John 6:66 when some of those who were following Jesus did in fact turn away and stop following. If Jesus loses none of those who come to Him, how is it that some of those who came to Him stopped following Him? Did Jesus lose them or did He not? Or, as a third option, maybe something else entirely is going on in this text.

The second indication that something else might be going on is found in John 6:70. Calvinists who like to cite John 6:44 and some of the other verses in this chapter as proof for their doctrine of Unconditional Election almost never cite John 6:70.

Jesus answered them, Did I not choose you, the Twelve? And [yet] one of you is a devil (of the evil one and a false accuser).
71 He was speaking of Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, for he was about to betray Him, [although] he was one of the Twelve.

If God only chooses the elect then how does that work in the case of Judas. Was he one of the elect? As far as that goes how does any Calvinist know they are one of the elect?

No they cant. Jesus makes that clear in His Teaching the Gospel Jn 6:44 This verse rebukes the wicked assertion that man can believe in Christ by his so called freewill, Jesus say he cant.

 

[Obadiah]

No they cant. Jesus makes that clear in His Teaching the Gospel Jn 6:44 This verse rebukes the wicked assertion that man can believe in Christ by his so called freewill, Jesus say he cant.

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. Matthew 11:28-29

The word is used in Matthew 11:28 where our Lord says, “Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest,” literally, “and I will rest you.” Here our Lord causes the sinner who comes to Him to cease from his own efforts at carrying his load of guilt and suffering, taking it upon Himself, ... Salvation is what I'm talking about. All you have to do is come to Jesus. You don't have to be part of the elect. All means all.

 

[brightfame52]

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. Matthew 11:28-29

The word is used in Matthew 11:28 where our Lord says, “Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest,” literally, “and I will rest you.” Here our Lord causes the sinner who comes to Him to cease from his own efforts at carrying his load of guilt and suffering, taking it upon Himself, ... Salvation is what I'm talking about. All you have to do is come to Jesus. You don't have to be part of the elect. All means all.

Yet they cant come unless the Father draws them Jn 6:44

 

[Obadiah]

Yet they cant come unless the Father draws them Jn 6:44

Jesus is sending out the invitation To All men in Matthew 11:28-29

 

[brightfame52]

Jesus is sending out the invitation To All men in Matthew 11:28-29

False, its not an invitation #1 its a command/imperative and #2 its only to those with the specific characteristics He specified, and #3 they could not come unless the Father draws them. and #4 Jesus there speaking is the Jesus who died only for His Sheep, not the Jesus you proclaim who died for all mankind, and many of them perish anyway

So you are bearing false witness just that quick

 

[Obadiah]

False, its not an invitation #1 its a command/imperative and #2 its only to those with the specific characteristics He specified, and #3 they could not come unless the Father draws them. and #4 Jesus there speaking is the Jesus who died only for His Sheep, not the Jesus you proclaim who died for all mankind, and many of them perish anyway

So you are bearing false witness just that quick

Jesus died for all mankind but not everyone will choose him some reject him. It's called free. Calvinism on the other hand only a few or drag to the cross for salvation. The rest have no choice in the matter. See the difference?

But let's jump into our proof text. Keep in mind that all means all.

Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. Matthew 11:28 and 29

That's definitely an invitation. This is an invitation by the one and only Jesus. If you're tired and struggling, He can give you rest. This also describes the path to God the Father, but it is not one of labor and hard work. Following Jesus frees us from carrying the burden of our own sin because He has already done that work.

When the gospel is presented to a sinner he is drawn to the Savior where he can make a decision choose Him as Lord or reject Him.

Jesus has made an extraordinary claim and now He makes an extraordinary offer to all who hear Him. He claimed in the previous verse to be the only one who knows God the Father and to be able to reveal the Father to anyone He chooses (Matthew 11:25–27). Now He makes an invitation: if you're struggling and tired, I can give you relief.

Here is the implication. Jesus' Jewish listeners were engaged in a mighty struggle to know God the Father. Their religious leaders had placed enormous burdens on them (Matthew 23:4), and they were laboring to carry those burdens in hopes of being approved by God. Jesus has just said that He can reveal His Father to anyone, and He immediately offers rest to everyone who is weighed down.

Jesus is not talking about physical rest, necessarily. The following verse will describe it as rest for the soul. The path to the Father through Jesus is not one of weary labor and heavy work. Jesus' earlier analogy about the path to life being narrow and "difficult" (Matthew 7:14) is entirely separate, and speaking from a different perspective. From the view of the world, following Christ means taking on difficult circumstances and giving up worldly pleasures. From the view of eternity—of salvation—following Christ means giving up the impossible task of carrying our own sin.

Christ does not say it here, but the gospel will reveal that Jesus is offering to carry the burden and do the work in order to lead those who come to Him—those who are "yoked" to Him—to the Father (Matthew 11:30; John 6:29). BibleRef

 

[brightfame52]

Jesus died for all mankind but not everyone will choose him some reject him. It's called free. Calvinism on the other hand only a few or drag to the cross for salvation. The rest have no choice in the matter. See the difference?

But let's jump into our proof text. Keep in mind that all means all.

Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. Matthew 11:28 and 29

That's definitely an invitation. This is an invitation by the one and only Jesus. If you're tired and struggling, He can give you rest. This also describes the path to God the Father, but it is not one of labor and hard work. Following Jesus frees us from carrying the burden of our own sin because He has already done that work.

When the gospel is presented to a sinner he is drawn to the Savior where he can make a decision choose Him as Lord or reject Him.

To say Jesus died for all mankind is a false gospel and jesus

 

[Mod2]

To say Jesus died for all mankind is a false gospel and jesus

It's against the rules to tell people what they believe is a false gospel and saying that they worship a false Jesus. Please try to curtail that if you want to explain what you believe that's fine. Do not tell our other members what they believe is false. That's not fine that's against the rules. That's not why we started this forum. We want to have a safe place for people To discuss their beliefs. When someone makes rude comments about someone else's beliefs it's hurtful and shameful. Please stop. This is your 1st Warning.

If you have any problem comprehending this post please let me know and I will discuss it with you.

 

[brightfame52]

It's against the rules to tell people what they believe is a false gospel and saying that they worship a false Jesus. Please try to curtail that if you want to explain what you believe that's fine. Do not tell our other members what they believe is false. That's not fine that's against the rules. That's not why we started this forum. We want to have a safe place for people To discuss their beliefs. When someone makes rude comments about someone else's beliefs it's hurtful and shameful. Please stop. This is your 1st Warning.

If you have any problem comprehending this post please let me know and I will discuss it with you.

No problem, is it against the rules for people to tell me Im following calvin instead of God because of my views ? I believe thats showing disrespect. To tell someone they are following a man instead of scripture is calling them a idolater. So lets be fair in our policing this matter. But Im down to do better.

 

[Fool4Christ]

lol, yes it does, Romans set forth all the Doctrines of Grace, TULIP and if you reject it, you reject the Book of Romans as well

LOL is right. The fact is I'm not looking at the book of Romans from a calvinistic or an Armenian point of view. I know who Paul wrote the book for and why he wrote the book had nothing to do with tulip.

 

[Mod2]

No problem, is it against the rules for people to tell me Im following calvin instead of God because of my views ? I believe thats showing disrespect. To tell someone they are following a man instead of scripture is calling them a idolater. So lets be fair in our policing this matter. But Im down to do better.

That's all we ask. If someone says distinctly that you're an idolater for following Calvin that's against the rules. Please inform me for one of the other moderators if this happens to you or if you're disrespected. We want all of our members to feel comfortable. And thank you for your cooperation.

 

[Aeliana]

This text is not about what Calvinist would have us believe.

The first indication is in John 6:66 when some of those who were following Jesus did in fact turn away and stop following. If Jesus loses none of those who come to Him, how is it that some of those who came to Him stopped following Him? Did Jesus lose them or did He not? Or, as a third option, maybe something else entirely is going on in this text.

The second indication that something else might be going on is found in John 6:70. Calvinists who like to cite John 6:44 and some of the other verses in this chapter as proof for their doctrine of Unconditional Election almost never cite John 6:70.

Jesus answered them, Did I not choose you, the Twelve? And [yet] one of you is a devil (of the evil one and a false accuser).
71 He was speaking of Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, for he was about to betray Him, [although] he was one of the Twelve.

If God only chooses the elect then how does that work in the case of Judas. Was he one of the elect? As far as that goes how does any Calvinist know they are one of the elect?

Excellent video. He certainly knows what he's talking about.