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101G
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Lol, lol, personal opinion? "you can see now?" ok, one body with three persons. that's not the image of God. what's ugly is U violating scripture. one body, one person. was not this the Lord's words when he the ordinal first made man in the beginning, was not God .... "he" one person when he made man...... (smile) ... lol, oh dear. check the record.
101G.
jeremiah1five
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YOU AGAIN!
You have a one-dimensional understanding of God.
Read and learn:
Abraham = father = soul.
Isaac = son = body.
Jacob = Spirit = Spirit.
Lord = The Father
Jesus = Son
Christ = Spirit.
It's not one plus one plus one = three.
But one multiplied by one multiplied by one = One.
And for extra points how can the son in this prophecy also be "everlasting Father"?
Hmmmm?
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
And the government shall be upon his shoulder:
And his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God,
The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6.
If you claim to understand the Trinity of God then you would automatically be in error.
101G
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father is not a person.... LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh dear..... look until U have some ..... "Hard evidence", good day.
101G.
jeremiah1five
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Toodles
101G
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the Lord God almighty, YESHUA/JESUS is still gathering in the Gentiles, in which we're in the Church age, or the period called GRACE NOW.
yes, after the 31/2 period of the two witnesses, in which the Lord Jesus returns, which has already Happen. yes, a many of Christian do not understand the Lord Jesus "TWO FOLD RETURN" the first return happen on Pentecost, which is the 7th. trumpet sounding, which all the "alive" hear the calling, (the preaching of the gospel), which is going on now. and at the end of this calling will the "LAST" trumpet sound and the dead in Christ rise first, and we that alive will be change. (smile).
101G.
101G
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to all,
this is why it is IMPORTANT to know and understand who the two witness are. Baptism, (John the Baptist), and the Gospel, (of Jesus the Christ), Are still witnessing in the EARTH today. the two witnesses (John the Baptist and the Lord Jesus the Christ), is the center point in all Salvation. and YES, we're in the LAST DAYS. supportive scripture, Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"
yes, "we're in the LAST DAYS" which started over two thousand years ago". but no one knows the end of this GRACE PERIOD, except Jesus the Father, the Ordinal FIRST. which certifies, Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool." this until only God, the Ordinal First knows.
101G.
this is why it is IMPORTANT to know and understand who the two witness are. Baptism, (John the Baptist), and the Gospel, (of Jesus the Christ), Are still witnessing in the EARTH today. the two witnesses (John the Baptist and the Lord Jesus the Christ), is the center point in all Salvation. and YES, we're in the LAST DAYS. supportive scripture, Hebrews 1:1 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets," Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;"
yes, "we're in the LAST DAYS" which started over two thousand years ago". but no one knows the end of this GRACE PERIOD, except Jesus the Father, the Ordinal FIRST. which certifies, Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool." this until only God, the Ordinal First knows.
101G.
101G
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To all my Jewish Law Keepers. and @jeremiah1five, @civic, and any other, who may not have see this before.
Deuteronomy 30:10 "If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul." Deuteronomy 30:11 "For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off."
NOW THE MANIFESTATION OF THIS "COMMANDMENT"
Deuteronomy 30:12 "It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?" Deuteronomy 30:13 "Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?" Deuteronomy 30:14 "But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it."
do these words sound familiar? they should. Romans 10:1 "Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved." Romans 10:2 "For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge." Romans 10:3 "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God." Romans 10:4 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Romans 10:5 "For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them." Romans 10:6 "But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above)" Romans 10:7 "Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)" Romans 10:8 "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;" Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Romans 10:10 "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Romans 10:11 "For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed." Romans 10:12 "For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him." Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:14 "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?"
the command was ONE Command, and which command is the GREAT COMMAND? let's check the RECORD. Matthew 22:34 "But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together." Matthew 22:35 "Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying," Matthew 22:36 "Master, which is the great commandment in the law?" Matthew 22:37 "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind." Matthew 22:38 "This is the first and great commandment." Matthew 22:39 "And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." Matthew 22:40 "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
now my question to the Jews, and Abraham the Hebrew folks. "Why did you not keep this command to have Faith. 101G suggest you read all of Deuteronomy 30. please NOTE: this was a command, and after reading Deuteronomy 30, re-read Romans 10 again.
the LAW of "FAITH" was Commanded. the Lord Jesus said the second was as the first. ..... "ONE COMMAND.
now the MANIFESTING of this Law was in Christ Jesus the Messiah. the Prophet that God would raise up like Moses, and the command was to "HEAR HIM".
this is what the Gospel is all about, yes, this is the Good news.
101G.
"The Commandment to keep Faith"
This last commandment that God gave to Moses to Give to the People.Deuteronomy 30:10 "If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul." Deuteronomy 30:11 "For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off."
NOW THE MANIFESTATION OF THIS "COMMANDMENT"
Deuteronomy 30:12 "It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?" Deuteronomy 30:13 "Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?" Deuteronomy 30:14 "But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it."
do these words sound familiar? they should. Romans 10:1 "Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved." Romans 10:2 "For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge." Romans 10:3 "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God." Romans 10:4 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Romans 10:5 "For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them." Romans 10:6 "But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above)" Romans 10:7 "Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)" Romans 10:8 "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;" Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Romans 10:10 "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Romans 10:11 "For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed." Romans 10:12 "For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him." Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:14 "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?"
the command was ONE Command, and which command is the GREAT COMMAND? let's check the RECORD. Matthew 22:34 "But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together." Matthew 22:35 "Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying," Matthew 22:36 "Master, which is the great commandment in the law?" Matthew 22:37 "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind." Matthew 22:38 "This is the first and great commandment." Matthew 22:39 "And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." Matthew 22:40 "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
now my question to the Jews, and Abraham the Hebrew folks. "Why did you not keep this command to have Faith. 101G suggest you read all of Deuteronomy 30. please NOTE: this was a command, and after reading Deuteronomy 30, re-read Romans 10 again.
the LAW of "FAITH" was Commanded. the Lord Jesus said the second was as the first. ..... "ONE COMMAND.
now the MANIFESTING of this Law was in Christ Jesus the Messiah. the Prophet that God would raise up like Moses, and the command was to "HEAR HIM".
this is what the Gospel is all about, yes, this is the Good news.
101G.
jeremiah1five
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It was 'good news' where the promised Prophet like unto Moses. It was 'good news' that Mary would bear the Lord's Messiah.
What Saul is saying to Jewish Christians at Rome in the 10th chapter is not a salvation formula as being in covenant they were already saved, only kept until Faith should appear in the Person of the Holy Spirit. Saul's quoting the OT was as an encouragement to these Christians and nothing more. In A.D. 62 persecution and war of attrition was already occurring from both the Judaizers and Roman army. From the Judaizers their pressure and persecution of Jewish Christians caused many to reconsider and return to Judaism but as the writer in Hebrews says, "it is impossible for those once enlightened" to go back to Judaism after "tasting of the world to come." The Roman army were at the beginning stages of eventual destruction of Israel and their Temple which culminated in A.D. 70 under Genral Titus.
What Israel went through is exactly what will and has happened to Gentile believers in their backsliding and denials of Christ in their daily living in sin and returning like a dog back to its vomit. So, let's not think Gentile believers today wouldn't or don't do what Israel did in disobeying God and playing with the fires of sin. Gentile believers are just as guilty of the same sins Israel was committing but back then there was no Holy Spirit to grieve or vex.
101G
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First ERROR, if they were already saved, there would be no need for the commandment.
Second ERROR. he was establishing the doctrine of SALVATION by the "LAW of FAITH", which if you would have continue on reading would have known.
Third ERROR, persecution or tribulation was already in effect. by evidence of the expulsion of the Jews from Rome. when he Paul was in Corinth, this is how he met Bishop Priscilla and Aquila. so that want work, try something else.
Fourth ERROR, Israel always backslid, and the church in Rome was not yet even establish, hence the reason for the Letter. and as for gentiles returning back to sin nonsense, they meet death head on. unlike Israel. and if and when some gentiles sinned, was they not reproved? Galatians 6:1 "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted." Galatians 6:2 "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ." Galatians 6:3 "For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself." Galatians 6:4 "But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another." Galatians 6:5 "For every man shall bear his own burden." Galatians 6:6 "Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things." Galatians 6:7 "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." Galatians 6:8 "For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting."
and for the Holy Spirit being vex, you mut not have read, Isaiah 63:10 "But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them."
so, you can try some other excuse, for these are not working for you.
101G.
101G
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To all my Jewish friends who still hold on to the Law.
"WHY not obey "the Command" was it not evident, "the Just must live by his Faith".
101G.
PS @civic, did you notice a revelation in Deuteronomy 30:14 "But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it."
here "The word": H1697 דָּבָר dabar (daw-ɓaw') n-m. ......... NOTICE it is a NOUN.
1. a word.
2. a saying.
3. (by implication) a matter (as spoken of).
4. (generically) a thing.
5. (adverbially) a cause.
6. (royally) a sovereign or royal edict, a matter or a word spoken by a king which carries the innate force of a royal command.
7. a chronicle (i.e. a record of events).
[from H1696]
is not the spoken word of God is rhema?
now, Romans 10:8 "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;"
"The word:" G4487 ῥήμα rhema (rhee'-ma) n. ...... NOTICE it's a NOUN.
1. an utterance, a flow of words (individually, collectively or specially).
2. (by implication) a matter or topic.
3. (especially) of narration, command or dispute.
4. (with a negative) naught whatever.
[from G4483]
KJV: + evil, + nothing, saying, word
Root(s): G4483
notice definition #3. COMMAND.
Revelation Time: 1 Kings 6:11 "And the word of the LORD came to Solomon, saying," ….saying is spoken, rhema, correct?
Ezra 1:1 "Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying," mouth is saying ……rhema, correct.
But what was said was, was, was, put in writing, meaning it is logos, ....... if it is written, then it's LOGOS. is this correct?
101G.
"WHY not obey "the Command" was it not evident, "the Just must live by his Faith".
101G.
PS @civic, did you notice a revelation in Deuteronomy 30:14 "But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it."
here "The word": H1697 דָּבָר dabar (daw-ɓaw') n-m. ......... NOTICE it is a NOUN.
1. a word.
2. a saying.
3. (by implication) a matter (as spoken of).
4. (generically) a thing.
5. (adverbially) a cause.
6. (royally) a sovereign or royal edict, a matter or a word spoken by a king which carries the innate force of a royal command.
7. a chronicle (i.e. a record of events).
[from H1696]
is not the spoken word of God is rhema?
now, Romans 10:8 "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;"
"The word:" G4487 ῥήμα rhema (rhee'-ma) n. ...... NOTICE it's a NOUN.
1. an utterance, a flow of words (individually, collectively or specially).
2. (by implication) a matter or topic.
3. (especially) of narration, command or dispute.
4. (with a negative) naught whatever.
[from G4483]
KJV: + evil, + nothing, saying, word
Root(s): G4483
notice definition #3. COMMAND.
Revelation Time: 1 Kings 6:11 "And the word of the LORD came to Solomon, saying," ….saying is spoken, rhema, correct?
Ezra 1:1 "Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying," mouth is saying ……rhema, correct.
But what was said was, was, was, put in writing, meaning it is logos, ....... if it is written, then it's LOGOS. is this correct?
101G.
jeremiah1five
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First Truth:
From the promise of Redeemer in Genesis 3:15 and beginning with the Abrahamic Covenant down to both the Mosaic and New Covenant the purpose of God is to save a people "from out of the world" (Jn. 17:6.) and to Himself. God saving this family line of people began in Genesis 3:21.
Second Truth:
There is no requirement of faith in any of the three saving covenants God made with Abraham and his seed, a people later to be known as the children (or House) of Israel.
Third Truth:
That's what I said.
Fourth Truth:
The church at Rome was founded by Jewish Christians whom God saved in Jerusalem while on their pilgrimage and sent them back to their homes and synagogues with Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and an outline of Peter's sermon.
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Acts 2:10.
Fifth Truth:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Rom. 3:23.
Sixth Truth:
Galatian letter is written to Jewish Christians in this region as can be evidenced by Saul's referencing of Jewish history, culture, the Temple, the Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants, and Judaic practices and daily life. These are things uncircumcised, non-covenant Gentiles would know nothing about being worshipers of the dumb idols and living a hedonistic, pagan, and heathen lifestyle outside the covenants of God. Jews returning from the Feast of Harvest (Pentecost) in A.D. 32 went back to their homes and synagogues in the various Gentile lands mentioned in Acts 2 and took with them the Holy Spirit, Jesus, and an outline of Peter's sermon. When the split occurred between Judaizers in these synagogues who stumbled at the stumbling stone Jewish Christians began to gather and worship in their homes and other places until persecution began coming from their Judaic brethren. From Pentecost to Saul's Galatian (circular) letter was a time-space of about 20 years, ample time for God to grow and build His Church as promised in these Gentile lands as Christ added to the Jewish Church daily such as should be saved..
Seventh Truth:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Rom. 3:23.
101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
Isaiah 5:20 "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
the first DARKNESS for you of the day..... this LIGHT.... (smile). the PROMISE "SEED" in ONE ONLY person, and all others are in him. and as for the family line? they are of the Promise seed. supportive scripture, Romans 9:4 "Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;" STOP, this is the million dollar question, WHO, WHO, WHO, is Israel. let the bible tell us. next verse, Romans 9:5 "Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen." (this is your family Line .... well Listen) Romans 9:6 "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:" (READ THAT AGAIN FAMILY LINE). Romans 9:7 "Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called." Romans 9:8 "That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."
BINGO, your flesh means NOTHING ..... FAMILY LINE.... read that verse 8 again. and notice "SEED" meaning ONE, and if you're not in Christ Jesus the Messiah, then you're NOT SAVED. 101G didn't say that the bible did.
HEAR O Israel God prophet. Habakkuk 2:1 "I will stand upon my watch, and set me upon the tower, and will watch to see what he will say unto me, and what I shall answer when I am reproved." Habakkuk 2:2 "And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it." Habakkuk 2:3 "For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry." (READ THAT AGAIN). Habakkuk 2:4 "Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith."
Lets check the record.
Romans 1:16 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." Romans 1:17 "For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith."
Galatians 3:10 "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them." Galatians 3:11 "But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith." WHERE IS THIS AT? Deuteronomy 27:26 "Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen."
Listen Carefully, "of this law to do them" ... to do them? listen, Deuteronomy 30:11 "For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off." Deuteronomy 30:12 "It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?" Deuteronomy 30:13 "Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?" Deuteronomy 30:14 "But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it." BINGO, Deuteronomy 27:26 "Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen." there it is " the words of this law to do them". and what did you all say? "And all the people shall say, Amen.". ..... (smile)..... other words, as a whole, all the people there LIED, as well as those who now have the writing.
yes, you said that. and it's still going on.
fourth ERROR. the church in Rome was founded by Christ by his apostle Paul. please give bible book chapter and verse as to the apostle Peter being in Rome, as you said, "outline of Peter's sermon".
(SMILE) ....... lol.
ERROR #6. no, it was written to both converts of Jews and Gentiles to Christianity.
yes, but it was about vexing the Holy Spirit. and as other said, to the Jews FIRST. ..... (smile).
101G.
jeremiah1five
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You quote it but you don't understand it.
The children of the flesh are Ishmael and his descendants. The children of promise are Isaac and his descendants through Jacob and to his children.
"Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham (ishamel) are they all children (of Abraham): but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called."
Saul is making distinction between Ishmael's children who are the seed of Abraham and Isaac who is the seed of Abraham and caps it off by telling whom the promise was made: ISAAC. And then Jacob, and then the children of Jacob (Israel.) He is not making distinction between Jew and Jew. Doh!
Tru dat. But since all Israel was "kept" until FAITH should appear no one had the faith that mattered to God and since there is no requirement of faith in any of the three covenants (Abrahamic, Mosaic, New) you Gentiles should not add to the bible afterwards what you think should be included in God's Covenants with HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE. It's called adding to the bible things not there. Mormons and JW's and all kinds of cults do that and even write their own bibles to uphold THEIR doctrine. But you have not so learned Christ. God speaks, we listen, understand, and obey. We don't change His word to suit our pet theories and false beliefs, nor do we attempt Inheritance theft of the Jewish covenants by also trying to insert Gentiles such as yourself in the covenants for again you quote Romans 9:4-5 but fail to understand that all things salvation and worship and sacrifice and living and service to God was given to ISRAEL. None of those things in Romans 9:4-5 are given to uncircumcised, non-covenant Gentiles. If you're going to say He did PROVE IT THROUGH SCRIPTURE. But you can't because it's NOT in Scripture.
Don't worry, I forgive you.
To the Jew first. But you proceed as though the Scripture says, "to the Gentile first!"
Saul quotes those words from the Law to encourage the Jewish Christians in Rome that are going through a hard time from their Jewish brethren for their acceptance of a Messiah that hanged on a tree.
(tearing my hair out) The church Saul writes to 20 years after Pentecost was founded by Jewish Christians as all the churches in Asia Minor were.
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Acts 2:10.
The Holy Spirit descended from heaven as promised by God to covenant Israel and 3000 Jews were born-again on that day. Given it says in Acts 2:47 Jesus ADDED to the (Jewish) Church DAILY such as should be saved it is not unreasonable that after one week of seven days a total of 21,000 Jews could have been born-again and baptized into the body of Christ. Being at the Feast of Harvest when the Holy Spirit came and being that there were thousands attending the feast and many hundreds, maybe thousands visiting from their homes in Gentile lands the tongues give an outline of the areas of Gentile locations these Jews visited from. But I'm sure there were also Jews from areas that spoken those tongue-languages that attended the Feast whose home locations/areas are not mention by tongue-identification. In other words, Jews were saved at the Feast and thousands returned back into their homes and synagogues in Gentile lands taking with them an outline of Peter's words, their experience with the Holy Spirit, and a new life in Christ. I'm very sure as they went, they shared Jesus with everyone they meet. So, in one fell swoop the Good News of Jesus Christ went EVERYWHERE in Roman territory AND BEYOND and it took just one Jewish Feast!
Jewish covenants. Jewish people. Jewish Messiah sent to ONLY the lost sheep of the House of Israel, 3000 Jews born-again in one day, and Christ added daily more Jews into salvation daily such as should be saved. Then these Jewish Christians witnessed back at home and in their synagogues and the marketplaces their experience with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and for four decades while the Temple stood everything that happened to Israel beginning at Pentecost happened to Israel until the destruction of their Temple and God placed blindness in their eyes so that sometime in the 20th-21st century He could bring you, a Gentile, in.
You know you wish it said, "To the Gentile FIRST."
Admit it.
101G
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My God.... so we can take all of what you said .... for Nothing, thought so.
now, my last asking, Deuteronomy 30:11 "For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off." Deuteronomy 30:12 "It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?" Deuteronomy 30:13 "Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?" Deuteronomy 30:14 "But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it."
so you know nothing of this command right?
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jeremiah1five
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The Word of God given to Covenant Israel.
Gentiles were NEVER under the Law.
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ERROR God's Law of Faith was for EVERY man, only the 10 commands were to show you Israelites your sin. scripture, Romans 2:1 "Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things." Romans 2:2 "But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things." Romans 2:3 "And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?" Romans 2:4 "Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?" Romans 2:5 "But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;" Romans 2:6 "Who will render to every man according to his deeds:" (STOP, TO WHO? ... EVERY MAN, LISTEN). Romans 2:7 "To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:" Romans 2:8 "But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath," Romans 2:9 "Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;" (READ THAT AGAIN). Romans 2:10 "But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:" Romans 2:11 "For there is no respect of persons with God." Romans 2:12 "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;" Romans 2:13 "(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." Romans 2:14 "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:" (BINGO THERE IT IS). Romans 2:15 "Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another" Romans 2:16 "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel."
and the Gospel is in MAN'S HEART, not on STONE. just as Deuteronomy 30:11states, "For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off." Deuteronomy 30:12 "It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?" Deuteronomy 30:13 "Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?" LISTEN, Deuteronomy 30:14 "But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it."
what was in their mouths? "the FORGIVENESS of SINS..... REDEPTION". this is why the Judaism system was set up with sacrifices, to cover sins until the "word" comes in flesh. . the Judaism system was a tempory FIX until Messiah the "word" comes. did not God tell them this was coming? let's check the record. Deuteronomy 18:15 "The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;" HEAR HIM, HEAR HIM, HEAR HIM, HEAR, HEAR, HEAR, what did Deuteronomy 30:12 say? "It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?" Deuteronomy 30:13 "Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?" HEAR, HEAR, HEAR, the "WORD", the Messiah, who will gather his PEOPLE, supportive scripture, Genesis 49:10 "The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be." Genesis 49:11 "Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ***'s colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:" Genesis 49:12 "His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk."
Shiloh:
H7886 שִׁילֹה Shiyloh (shee-lo') n/p.
1. tranquil.
2. Shiloh, an epithet of the Messiah.
[from H7951]
KJV: Shiloh.
Root(s): H7951
there is the "WORD" in definition #2. Jesus the Christ is "THE WORD" of God in Flesh. and Moses said, by God, "HEAR YE HIM".
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jeremiah1five
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101G
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nope, God's Moral LAW is for everyone. he has called all to Holiness. this is why the command for Faith made. Deuteronomy 30:11 "For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off." Deuteronomy 30:12 "It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?" Deuteronomy 30:13 "Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?" Deuteronomy 30:14 "But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it." (SMILE), ..lol, lol, lol, Oh dear.
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jeremiah1five
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When God gave the Law to Moses for the children of Israel there were no Gentiles, for one.
Second, because of the Law given to Israel that created a middle wall partition BETWEEN Jew and Gentile so on this point God's Law cannot be for everyone.
What you're doing is bastardizing the Mosaic Law by saying it is for everyone when Scripture says it was not.
Example:
Acts 15:19-20 (KJV):"Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood."
IF Gentiles were under the Law it would be unnecessary to say the above and place these instruction which are of the Law upon Gentile Christians.
Try again.
Your slip is showing.
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