e v e
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God says -- esau I hated.
Has anyone ever thought about
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e v e
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e v e
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prosperity on this earth is irrelevant.
jeremiah1five
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That's true.
But think for a moment.
"Jacob I have loved..." but Jacob deceived his father Isaac with Rachel's help to receive his father's blessings. Does God love what he did in deceiving his papa?
"Esau have I hated..." Esau was the older and in line to the birthright to inherit the Abrahamic covenant but he sold it to Jacob for some menudo. It says Esau 'despised' his birthright. Esau made a practical decision. He was hungry coming from the field. Sure, he was next in line of the birthright which was to inherit the Abrahamic Covenant of promises but what good did that serve him in the immediate moment? Nothing.
32 And Esau said, Behold, I am at the point to die: and what profit shall this birthright do to me? Gen. 25:32.
I'm sure outside this moment Esau was pleased as firstborn to inherit something of his father, Isaac, but he didn't see the forward-looking benefit of the covenant and was 'flippant' towards the covenant promises. This, God did not like. This God hated. But being a son of Isaac and a son of Abraham His Friend, Esau was more concerned with the moment he was living and being famished and exhausted from hunting he sold his birthright to Jacob. But I don't think God hated the person Esau, only what he done in selling his birthright. God did tell his mother that the older shall serve the younger and the only way that can happen under custom was through the birthright. So, don't be too quick or harsh to judge Esau. God blessed Esau and this indicates God loved him. It was what he did that God hated.
jeremiah1five
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It is truly relevant. In the here and now we all need a place to sleep/live, food to eat, and clothes to wear. That's a fact.
But it is irrelevant, held up against eternity.
e v e
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nope. that's an error and it has to do with the back story of the fall... such that jacob was Getting back what esau first stole.
esau belongs to a different group...
he was a type of soul of the nature not belonging to God
pretty bad.
God said Esau I hated. Esau himself.
God hates esau for stealing it to begin with.
this is not in the kjv which is the corrupt scroll.
the text is corrupt.
e v e
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Christ asks us to follow Him and leave the world behind.
civic
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Do you have an opinion as to their identity ?
jeremiah1five
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Enoch and Elijah are the only two humans who've not died a natural death.
It is appointed unto men once to die then the judgment, and if these two witnesses are Enoch and Elijah and both killed during the Time of Jacob's Trouble (Tribulation) then prophecy is fulfilled, and this Scripture is proven 'unbroken.'
civic
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Because of the description of the miracles and the transfiguration I lean towards Moses and Elijah but I’m not dogmatic about it
jeremiah1five
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I used to believe that, but I reformedBecause of the description of the miracles and the transfiguration I lean towards Moses and Elijah but I’m not dogmatic about it
Or was it I used to be Catholic, but I reformed?
I lean on the statement by Jesus that Scripture cannot be broken (Heb. 9:27), and I cannot accept that only one man will not die nor receive the penalty for sin and avoid the judgment for sin which is death.
That Elijah does not die does damage to Jesus being the First Fruits.
Methinks you should take a second look.
101G
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addressing the two witnesses. scripture don't LIE. question, was not John the Baptist a Forerunner for the Lord Jesus? yes. also was not the Lord Jesus a Forerunner? let the bible speak. Hebrews 6:19 "Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;" Hebrews 6:20 "Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec."
now, what is a forerunner? according to Bible hub. The meaning of Forerunner: In biblical theology, the concept of a forerunner is integral to understanding the preparation for significant divine events, particularly the coming of the Messiah. The role of a forerunner is to prepare the way, announce the coming, and set the stage for the fulfillment of God's promises. This role is most prominently embodied in the figure of John the Baptist, who is explicitly identified as the forerunner of Jesus Christ.
now according to Hebrews 6:20 above the Lord Jesus the Christ is our forerunner in this new covenant as out HIGH PREIST. did he not prepare the way for the Holy Spirit coming? for another name for a Forerunner is synonyms with messenger, go-between, mediator, intercessor, middleman, when used as a noun as, "A person or company that delivers messages", or when used as a noun in, "The person at the front or proceeds first". leader, head, lead, first, front, frontrunner, star, jewel, chief, principal, perfect example, prize, top, front runner, pearl.
supportive scripture, John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." here "Beginning" means,
G746 ἀρχή arche (ar-chee') n.
1. (properly abstract) a commencement.
2. (concretely) chief (in various applications of order, time, place, or rank).
[from G756]
KJV: beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule
Root(s): G756
this is right in front of our faces. the Lord Jesus the Christ as well as John the baptist is no doubt the two witness in Revelation chapter 11.
GL.
101G.
now, what is a forerunner? according to Bible hub. The meaning of Forerunner: In biblical theology, the concept of a forerunner is integral to understanding the preparation for significant divine events, particularly the coming of the Messiah. The role of a forerunner is to prepare the way, announce the coming, and set the stage for the fulfillment of God's promises. This role is most prominently embodied in the figure of John the Baptist, who is explicitly identified as the forerunner of Jesus Christ.
now according to Hebrews 6:20 above the Lord Jesus the Christ is our forerunner in this new covenant as out HIGH PREIST. did he not prepare the way for the Holy Spirit coming? for another name for a Forerunner is synonyms with messenger, go-between, mediator, intercessor, middleman, when used as a noun as, "A person or company that delivers messages", or when used as a noun in, "The person at the front or proceeds first". leader, head, lead, first, front, frontrunner, star, jewel, chief, principal, perfect example, prize, top, front runner, pearl.
supportive scripture, John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." here "Beginning" means,
G746 ἀρχή arche (ar-chee') n.
1. (properly abstract) a commencement.
2. (concretely) chief (in various applications of order, time, place, or rank).
[from G756]
KJV: beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule
Root(s): G756
this is right in front of our faces. the Lord Jesus the Christ as well as John the baptist is no doubt the two witness in Revelation chapter 11.
GL.
101G.
jeremiah1five
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Jesus said, "I am not sent BUT TO the lost sheep of the House of Israel."
There is no such thing as Jesus being sent to the lost goats of the house built on sand of Gentiles.
101G
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was he not sent to you? see, he was sent to the LOST HOUSE, and not Lost TRIBES...... (smile). lol. and notice he was sent to the SICK and not those who was well ..... (NOT SICK), which means he was sent to the BULL HEAD ...... GOATS .... WHO KILLED HIM.
so if there are any Goats to speak of yes, Israel was the Goat(s). ..... (smile),
YIKES!Matthew 8:16 "When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:"
Luke 11:14 "And he was casting out a devil, and it was dumb. And it came to pass, when the devil was gone out, the dumb spake; and the people wondered." Luke 11:15 "But some of them said, He casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils." Luke 11:16 "And others, tempting him, sought of him a sign from heaven." Luke 11:17 "But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth." Luke 11:18 "If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub." Luke 11:19 "And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges." Luke 11:20 "But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you."
YELP, that's who he was sent to. these dumb Goats didn't even know the Kingdom has come unto them. HOW "IGNORANT" can a NATION, (this Hebrew NATION) was. full of murders, and adulteress, Oh yes they was sick, that's why he came to them, for they was "SICK" and heeded HELP.
Oh yes, that's why he was sent to the LOST, LOST, LOST, and Sick NATION of Hebrews. (who sheep in wolf clothing). 101G hope you understood that.
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GL.
101G.
jeremiah1five
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24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Mt 15:24.was he not sent to you? see, he was sent to the LOST HOUSE, and not Lost TRIBES...... (smile). lol. and notice he was sent to the SICK and not those who was well ..... (NOT SICK), which means he was sent to the BULL HEAD ...... GOATS .... WHO KILLED HIM.
so if there are any Goats to speak of yes, Israel was the Goat(s). ..... (smile),
Matthew 8:16 "When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:"
Luke 11:14 "And he was casting out a devil, and it was dumb. And it came to pass, when the devil was gone out, the dumb spake; and the people wondered." Luke 11:15 "But some of them said, He casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils." Luke 11:16 "And others, tempting him, sought of him a sign from heaven." Luke 11:17 "But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth." Luke 11:18 "If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub." Luke 11:19 "And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges." Luke 11:20 "But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you."
YELP, that's who he was sent to. these dumb Goats didn't even know the Kingdom has come unto them. HOW "IGNORANT" can a NATION, (this Hebrew NATION) was. full of murders, and adulteress, Oh yes they was sick, that's why he came to them, for they was "SICK" and heeded HELP.
Oh yes, that's why he was sent to the LOST, LOST, LOST, and Sick NATION of Hebrews. (who sheep in wolf clothing). 101G hope you understood that.
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GL.
101G.
That says it all.
Jesus Messiah was sent to Israel.
101G
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and they (Israel) was LOST, and the Lost are Goats. thank you. with great GL.
101G
jeremiah1five
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The lost are not goats.
The sheep that got lost and Jesus left the ninety-nine to go find it, do you remember that?
The sheep was lost.
101G
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OH YES, the LOST SHEEP that he went and found was Gentiles Nations. John 10:16 "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." YES, OTHER SHEEP, beside Israel, who is Just one in a MANY of Sheep, as in MANY NATIONS...... MANY SHEEP.
who are these sheep's? answer, John 12:32 "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." Draw who? ... ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL, ALL, MEN. yes, those sheep that was in the Fold, was Rebellious, because they was IGNORANT.
in GL.
101G.
jeremiah1five
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It says, LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL not Gentile.
101G
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no, it says, John 10:16 "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."
it's impossible to see some are so IGNORANT of the word of God..... Oh My........
YIKES!will you PLEASE READ WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.......in Much GL.
101G.
