Defining the authority of the "church"....

[praise_yeshua]

I don't believe how your children behave, or how you treat your children has anything to do with Paul's teaching in 1 Cor. 10, since they were written centuries before you were even born.

Do you remember how Jesus appealed to the natural affection that comes from being a father in

Mat 7:11 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

Even evil people wouldn't cast away their own children because they disobeyed them. Yet, you believe that is exactly what God does. It really is a losing position. Even the natural man can understand such things. They live it themselves.

You're attempting to salvage this false position you have with misdirection.

 

[Studyman]

Do you remember how Jesus appealed to the natural affection that comes from being a father in
Mat 7:11 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

I was speaking to your reference to Paul's teaching about God in 1 Cor. 10, and that we should not be ignorant of what happened to the "children of disobedience" in the Exodus, vs what happened with Caleb and Joshua.

If you don't want to discuss the very scriptures you referenced, that's fine.

Even evil people wouldn't cast away their own children because they disobeyed them. Yet, you believe that is exactly what God does.
You're attempting to salvage this false position you have with misdirection.

There is nothing in any of my posts, ever, anywhere, which support your evil judgments against me. Nevertheless, you make them over and over and over. While your evil judgments are blessings for me, they are a curse for you, at least according to what is actually written in the holy scriptures.

It's not a false position to believe Paul's message in 1 Cor. 10 remains the same regardless of how your children behave, or how you deal with them.

It was the same before you were born. It remained the same throughout your life, and when you are gone, it will still mean the same thing.

Paul said not to be ignorant of this Biblical Fact.

 

[GodsGrace]

Lets just clear up one wee tiny bit . A person is saved The moment he does exactly
what paul and silas told the jailer when he said but sirs what must i do to be saved . BELIEVE YE on JESUS the CHRIST .
Satan has many religoins my friend from the muslim to the buddist to scores of others .
THEY all THINK they beleive in GOD but the god they embrace be the devil . Sorry if that offends folks , but baby truth is truth
and i shun the all inclusive interfaith lie to hell if i could . This lamb is going out hard sister .
WITH JESUS on my lips and the continual reminder to BELIEVE ON HIM or perish . MUHAMMED is of the devil .
Now i know that dont sit right with the all inclusive church age but TRUTH be TRUTH and the truth is all other religoins
be of their father the devil . JESUS is whom we must preach .
To not beleive JESUS is TO NOT BELEIVE GOD . its that serious . If one beleives NOT the testimony that GOD
gave of the Son , they are calling GOD A LIAR to HIS FACE . john was right , todays interfaith pastors are THE LIARS and co helpers
of anti christ . I WILL expose them too , no matter the cost to me for doing so .
We got a new wild boar in the house and this one gonna staple a ton of doctrine that proves interfaith is of anti christ
on er church door if i could . I am war against this lie that has TROD JESUS under foot . And i shall not rest or back down .
ITS JESUS ONLY we must point too . no other hope or name gonna save this people .

Do I know you?
Yes. I think I do.

 

[GodsGrace]

The Bible says believe and be baptized so how can an infant believe the gospel ?

I posted scripture.
I NEVER mentioned infant baptism in this regard.

The verses I posted were for adults...adults were baptized,

Infants were baptized later, but that's another topic.

 

[GodsGrace]

Reread your first line again . DID JESUS ever fear to speak truth because he was concerned that the people just get along .
NOR can we .
Speak truth . yes it will offend and perhaps even offend the many , but TRUTH saves
Getting along , YEAH its not what will save . specially when Truth is removed for the sake of their getting along .
Real bad that is my friend . but its a card this church age has bought and its why leaven keeps growing .
The focus today is becoming more and more on WHETHER WE CAN GET ALONG and HOW TO GET ALONG
rather than the edification of the church itself and the saving of souls . This gets worse my friend . it will get worse .
Soon even the gospel will be something we cannot even teach cause well it offends and we just need to all get along .
I know this path my friend and it will end in bitter destruction and savage cries of wailing on the day of the LORD .
Satan is one slick one my friend and he always makes his errenous teachings seem as though ITS WHAT is best for man . but it aint
at all what is best for man . THE PATTERN set to us in that bible , IS WHAT is best for the church . I suggest we
get refreshed in them letters and gospels and all biblical doctrine once again .

Amigo,,,,you should know better than to tell me the above.
I don't fear saying what is correct....
The topic of baptism is not as simple as it seems and I'd rather not discuss it.

 

[Grace ambassador]

So how do YOU establish the authority by which you teach, preach and etc to others?

Precious friend, no need for me to establish anything - Scripture IS "THE Final Authority" for my faith
and practice - I just need to humbly obey God and study It Rightly Divided to find God's Love Letters
That Are Directly TO/FOR me, and need Not to "mix Them up" in Confusion with, but learn from, All
The Other Scriptures That Are Not Directly to/for me, preparing to give an Account TO Him, eh?!

Then, obeying God, loving my neighbor, and simply "sharing" with them = Study details posted elsewhere:

Handling The Precious Word Of Life!​

Briefly - Right Division...​

The Judgment Seat Of Christ!​

Amen. And thanks for kindly asking...



"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all To The Glory Of God!"
(1 Corinthians 10:31 AV)

 

[praise_yeshua]

Precious friend, no need for me to establish anything - Scripture IS "THE Final Authority" for my faith
and practice - I just need to humbly obey God and study It Rightly Divided to find God's Love Letters
That Are Directly TO/FOR me, and need Not to "mix Them up" in Confusion with, but learn from, All
The Other Scriptures That Are Not Directly to/for me, preparing to give an Account TO Him, eh?!

Then, obeying God, loving my neighbor, and simply "sharing" with them = Study details posted elsewhere:

Handling The Precious Word Of Life!​

Briefly - Right Division...​

The Judgment Seat Of Christ!​

Amen. And thanks for kindly asking...

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"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all To The Glory Of God!"
(1 Corinthians 10:31 AV)

Got it! Just my addition.....

I'm fine with Sola Scriptura positions. It is a choice we must make for ourselves.

However, translations should NOT play a role in Sola Scriptura positions. Yet, they often do. For example, the translation you posted is significantly different than some older word choices.

2Ti 2:15 Make every effort to present yourself before God as a proven worker who does not need to be ashamed, teaching the message of truth accurately.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Amigo,,,,you should know better than to tell me the above.
I don't fear saying what is correct....
The topic of baptism is not as simple as it seems and I'd rather not discuss it.

well you probably dont . Baptism IS VERY SIMPLE .
go back and read acts . The ONLY ONE THING that actually can hinder one from being baptized
IS their lack of beleif in CHRIST JESUS . friend babies cannot comprehend such a thought .
About the only thing they know is OH pap and grab ahold and suckle . and they can relieve themselves
and cry . THEY DONT know sqaut friend . The only thing that sprinkling water on that baby can do
IS JUST give the parent a false feeling of safety for the child .
ONLY A BELEIVERS baptism be counted my friend . If not why not just go baptize every one .
Go on start tellling buddists and muslims , athiests and all to just let you sprinkle some holy water on them and they will be just fine .
BUT YOU and i BOTH KNOW you DONT BELIEVE THAT . SO why on earth and how on earth do YA THINK
batpizing a baby MEANS ANYTHING . it dont . they DO NOT BLEIEVE .
GOD HAS THEM my friend . HE knows they cannot discern anything .

 

[Marvelloustime]

well you probably dont . Baptism IS VERY SIMPLE .
go back and read acts . The ONLY ONE THING that actually can hinder one from being baptized
IS their lack of beleif in CHRIST JESUS . friend babies cannot comprehend such a thought .
About the only thing they know is OH pap and grab ahold and suckle . and they can relieve themselves
and cry . THEY DONT know sqaut friend . The only thing that sprinkling water on that baby can do
IS JUST give the parent a false feeling of safety for the child .
ONLY A BELEIVERS baptism be counted my friend . If not why not just go baptize every one .
Go on start tellling buddists and muslims , athiests and all to just let you sprinkle some holy water on them and they will be just fine .
BUT YOU and i BOTH KNOW you DONT BELIEVE THAT . SO why on earth and how on earth do YA THINK
batpizing a baby MEANS ANYTHING . it dont . they DO NOT BLEIEVE .
GOD HAS THEM my friend . HE knows they cannot discern anything .

Praise the Lord.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Hola sister

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Do I know you?
Yes. I think I do.

You do dear sister . you know me from another site .

 

[Marvelloustime]

.

Yep. I’m on it now.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Do I know you?
Yes. I think I do.

To some they call me anti christ , son of perditon , hater , even satan . course you never once said such a thing .
We in the last days my friend and i do suggest everyone gets in and stays in the bible .
Many other names i have been called but seeing they relate to certain four letter words i feel the need
to say such as not needed , unecessary . But do remember this , WHO did i point too , what book did i try
and get everyone back into and to keep reading . And what gospel did i always remind su about

 

[praise_yeshua]

There is nothing in any of my posts, ever, anywhere, which support your evil judgments against me. Nevertheless, you make them over and over and over. While your evil judgments are blessings for me, they are a curse for you, at least according to what is actually written in the holy scriptures.

It's not a false position to believe Paul's message in 1 Cor. 10 remains the same regardless of how your children behave, or how you deal with them.

It was the same before you were born. It remained the same throughout your life, and when you are gone, it will still mean the same thing.

Paul said not to be ignorant of this Biblical Fact.

Let me make the connection for you.........

We have an history. Not only that, I know your theology. It is not something new. You're repeating others. I know your theology. I've known your theology for very long time. I KNOW your perspective. When I "draw" that perspective out to the forefront with "pointed questions"....... You don't like it. It exposes your issues. I will continue to do this because it shows just exact what your false claims equal. It doesn't matter if you like it or not. It doesn't matter if you accept it or not. You can ask God to destroy me and turn my life to ashes for all it matters. You have no power. None. This thread is about authority. You have none.

What I was accurately detailing is the fact YOU don't operate the way YOU claim God operates. Ergo..... You have a theology that blames God for "casting away" his people. You don't speak for God. You speak for YOU. You wouldn't do yourself with what you're charging God does.

Which is the very definition of an insincere faith. You have this idea... this imagination about God that isn't real. You have an idol of imaginations.

2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

This is MY ministry. I don't expect acceptance. I don't expect approval from men. I've never faced anything but resistance in my life. Over and over again. Sooner or later, friends become enemies. The friend you have today will be your enemy tomorrow.

I will face God one day with everything I've ever said. THEN we will know who is speaking for God. All these claims and battle for authority in the "church" is nothing more than men like the "sons of Zebedee". They were looking to RULE over those in Christ.

When Paul came down to the last years of his life, he began looking for good men to continue his battle. He chose Timothy and Titus. He did so for a reason.

Php 2:20 For I have no man likeminded, who will naturally care for your state.

Then Paul said these words......

Php 2:21 For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's......

I believe the words of Paul. There was a great falling away that took place after the death of the apostles. Two perspectives remained in that process. It either came through Jerusalem and the "church" at Jerusalem or the line ended with Timothy and Titus.

Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Act 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

Since that time, every man has sought their own things. Not the things that are of Christ. You included.......

Everyone is out here crying "come follow me"..... "I got it right"....... and everyone is wrong to a great degree. If we could abandon this nonsense about "being right" because "God chose me"........ then we might be able to make some progress...

I'd don't know if we will ever get there......

 

[Studyman]

Let me make the connection for you.........

We have an history. Not only that, I know your theology. It is not something new. You're repeating others. I know your theology. I've known your theology for very long time. I KNOW your perspective. When I "draw" that perspective out to the forefront with "pointed questions"....... You don't like it. It exposes your issues. I will continue to do this because it shows just exact what your false claims equal. It doesn't matter if you like it or not. It doesn't matter if you accept it or not. You can ask God to destroy me and turn my life to ashes for all it matters. You have no power. None. This thread is about authority. You have none.

What I was accurately detailing is the fact YOU don't operate the way YOU claim God operates. Ergo..... You have a theology that blames God for "casting away" his people. You don't speak for God. You speak for YOU. You wouldn't do yourself with what you're charging God does.

Which is the very definition of an insincere faith. You have this idea... this imagination about God that isn't real. You have an idol of imaginations.

2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

This is MY ministry. I don't expect acceptance. I don't expect approval from men. I've never faced anything but resistance in my life. Over and over again. Sooner or later, friends become enemies. The friend you have today will be your enemy tomorrow.

I will face God one day with everything I've ever said. THEN we will know who is speaking for God. All these claims and battle for authority in the "church" is nothing more than men like the "sons of Zebedee". They were looking to RULE over those in Christ.

When Paul came down to the last years of his life, he began looking for good men to continue his battle. He chose Timothy and Titus. He did so for a reason.

Php 2:20 For I have no man likeminded, who will naturally care for your state.

Then Paul said these words......

Php 2:21 For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's......

I believe the words of Paul. There was a great falling away that took place after the death of the apostles. Two perspectives remained in that process. It either came through Jerusalem and the "church" at Jerusalem or the line ended with Timothy and Titus.

Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Act 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

Since that time, every man has sought their own things. Not the things that are of Christ. You included.......

Everyone is out here crying "come follow me"..... "I got it right"....... and everyone is wrong to a great degree. If we could abandon this nonsense about "being right" because "God chose me"........ then we might be able to make some progress...

I'd don't know if we will ever get there......

No one is crying "come follow me, I am right" louder than you PY, just read your own posts. And my point in responding to your reference to Paul's teaching in 1 cor. 10, is that you stopped short of the sentence that details the entire purpose of his teaching, the entire purpose of the Exodus story in the first place about why God had it written for us. At least according to Paul. I pointed this out to you, and you didn't like it, so you are adding to your evil, wicked judgments against me. And why? Because I posted what Paul actually said in 1 cor. 10: 1-14.

Why would you or anyone do such a thing? You should look into this.

So, let's recap preacher. According to your judgments, a man who has transformed himself into an apostle of Christ, I don't love God, I can't please God, I don't obey God, I don't Love Jesus, I don't obey Jesus, I don't care about Jesus, I don't believe Moses, I believe God killed His Children because they disobeyed him while learning to obey Him, And now I blame God for casting away His People.

And why do you promote all these lies to your own destruction?? Because I suggested a man who believes and uses Ecc. 9:20 to promote his philosophy, should also believe Ecc. 12:13&14? Because I posted Paul's words without cherry picking them to better understand his teaching?

Nevertheless, your perpetual self-exaltation and self-justification notwithstanding, Paul's teaching in 1 Cor. 10 doesn't change because of how your children were taught to behave, or how you deal with them.

This is simply undeniable Biblical True.

I am happy to examine and discuss the words of Paul you referenced in 1 cor. 10 any time you want. But I won't ignore them or reject them just to feed your enormous ego.

 

[praise_yeshua]

No one is crying "come follow me, I am right" louder than you PY, just read your own posts.

Typical......

Where have I asked you to follow me? Where have I called "God down" in my argument?

And my point in responding to your reference to Paul's teaching in 1 cor. 10, is that you stopped short of the sentence that details the entire purpose of his teaching, the entire purpose of the Exodus story in the first place about why God had it written for us. At least according to Paul. I pointed this out to you, and you didn't like it, so you are adding to your evil, wicked judgments against me. And why? Because I posted what Paul actually said in 1 cor. 10: 1-14.

Others can make their own judgement. It doesn't matter what you think about it. I explained myself. You can "see it" ever how your mind "sees it". I wouldn't want to be in that mind you have. It denies the Lord Jesus Christ and replaces him with your own sinful efforts.

So, let's recap preacher. According to your judgments, a man who has transformed himself into an apostle of Christ, I don't love God, I can't please God, I don't obey God, I don't Love Jesus, I don't obey Jesus, I don't care about Jesus, I don't believe Moses, I believe God killed His Children because they disobeyed him while learning to obey Him, And now I blame God for casting away His People.

Typical. You say my comments were wrong "at face value" and then you decide to go back to your "one hit wonder" position. I know you can't please God. You deny God. Claiming you're pleasing God is your lie.

And why do you promote all these lies to your own destruction?? Because I suggested a man who believes and uses Ecc. 9:20 to promote his philosophy, should also believe Ecc. 12:13&14? Because I posted Paul's words without cherry picking them to better understand his teaching?

I've offered to have a public debate with your so everyone can see. I'll go through this with you line by line. Stop repeating yourself while refusing my offer.

Nevertheless, your perpetual self-exaltation and self-justification notwithstanding, Paul's teaching in 1 Cor. 10 doesn't change because of how your children were taught to behave, or how you deal with them.

Never said it did. Pay attention. The way you explain what Paul said is the issue. Your insincerity in deed shows that your deeds are evil. YOU are presenting a "god" that does something you refuse to do yourself.

Which means....... = you're not following your own image of God. Which shows that YOU are not like this "god" you portray.

This is simply undeniable Biblical True.

Wow. An undeniable claim from you.... I'll take a baby aspirin and worry over your condemnation.

I am happy to examine and discuss the words of Paul you referenced in 1 cor. 10 any time you want. But I won't ignore them or reject them just to feed your enormous ego.

So nice of you. I bet God would have said that Himself about me.... right?

I would say anything about ego if I were you......

Since you speak for God, keep speaking. Share all those wonderous words with everyone.

My invitation remains open. Do a live video with me..... We'll see who God honors and who He doesn't.

 

[Studyman]

Typical......

Where have I asked you to follow me? Where have I called "God down" in my argument?



Others can make their own judgement. It doesn't matter what you think about it. I explained myself. You can "see it" ever how your mind "sees it". I wouldn't want to be in that mind you have. It denies the Lord Jesus Christ and replaces him with your own sinful efforts.

You have tried many times to "bring me down to your level". A level in which you promote to all others that striving to "Go and Sin no more", as instructed, somehow denies the Lord Jesus Christ and that somehow "Loving God with all "my" heart, with all "my" might, and with all "my" soul, as the Jesus "of the Bible" Himself commands, is somehow replacing this Jesus with "my" own sinful efforts.

You are completely ignorant of Paul's teaching in this regard, but especially Paul's teaching in 1 cor. 10. Why did the men who ate and drank of the One Spiritual Rock, the Christ, fall in the wilderness? Was it because they loved God with all "their" hearts, "their" might, "their" soul, like Caleb and Joshua did?

Was it because they went at Goliath, an enemy stronger that they, with everything "they" had, like David did?? Was it because they believed God when HE instructed them to live a certain way, even though the serpent in the garden was telling them, "you can't please God", "you can't obey God", "you don't Love God"?

No "praise_yeshua"! It's because they didn't love God with all "their" heart, with all "their" soul, with all "their" might, even though they ate and drank from that Spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ, like Caleb and Joshua did.

Had they "believed" God, like Caleb did, they wouldn't have fallen, just as Caleb didn't fall. Does this mean Caleb never sinned? Of course not, it simply means Caleb Loved God with ALL "his" might. Jesus tries to tell you this in His Prophesy about "Christianity" in Matt. 7. But by your works it is clear that you don't believe in this Jesus.

So, what you refuse to see even after you have been shown, is that it is "our effort", that God wants. That is the First and Greatest Commandment in the Bible. You can read it for yourself.

Putting 300 men against 10,000 is impossible. Having to choose between obeying an invisible God, or being tossed into a furnace of fire, is an impossible choice. Obeying the Christ's instruction concerning whose Words to "live by" in a world full of religions who preach against this very thing, is a daunting command.

But if I believe God, I will strive with all "my" heart, that HE knows, with all "my" soul, that HE gave me, with all "my" might that I received from Him, to "Yield myself" to Him in obedience, as Paul teaches both Jew and Gentile.

And even in my weakness, even in my sinful flesh, if I strive with all that "I am", to become a "Doer" of His sayings, and not a hearer only, my house will stand in that day. If I "press towards the mark" of perfection, even after I fall, God will step in where I am short. Just as the 300 were victorious against the 10,000. Just like Shadrack lived to tell his story to his children, just as Goliath hit the earth dead. Not by "my" power, because it is impossible for 300 men to defeat 10,000. But If I give "all" that I have, and pray for help in my unbelief, God is faithful to step in where my weakness exists. Because in me God's Power is perfected in my weakness. Just as God's Power was made perfect in the weakness of the 300 men who trusted Him, against the 10,000 that didn't.

But if I listen to you,

Num. 13:31 But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we.

I am doomed to fall, just as those "many" Christians fell in Matt. 7. Just as "many", who also drank of that Spiritual Rock fell in the wilderness.

Sadly, you are more interested in promoting your u-tube channel and transforming yourself into an "apostle of Christ", to concern yourself with what Paul is actually teaching in 1 Cor. 10.

I can't do anything about your agenda, but I can post Scriptures and attempt to engage in honest examination and discussion about them.

Anytime you want to revisit 1 cor. 10: 1-14, just let me know.

Typical. You say my comments were wrong "at face value" and then you decide to go back to your "one hit wonder" position. I know you can't please God. You deny God. Claiming you're pleasing God is your lie.

Such wickedness and evil in your heart against me, and for what? Because I believe Ecc. 9:20, "AND" Ecc. 12:13, that you can't bring yourself to even talk about? Because I pointed out the absolute Biblical Truth about why Israel fell, even after they drank from the Living Water that followed them, and that Rock was Christ?

You know a lot of things that are not true PY. The mainstream preachers of Paul's time were no different.

I've offered to have a public debate with your so everyone can see. I'll go through this with you line by line. Stop repeating yourself while refusing my offer.

This is already a public debate. I have asked you questions, posted scriptures and you refuse to even acknowledge them, much less debate them. How am I to believe you now? You want to go line by line in 1 cor. 10:1-14? You want to go line by line in Romans 3: 1-18, Psalms 5, and 14?

These would be great threads. Start one, and let's see how eager you are to debate them.

Never said it did. Pay attention. The way you explain what Paul said is the issue. Your insincerity in deed shows that your deeds are evil. YOU are presenting a "god" that does something you refuse to do yourself.

Narcissistic projection is a defense mechanism used by narcissists to:

1. Cope with their own feelings of inadequacy or insecurity by attributing these negative traits to others.
   https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=ee5a...vbmFyY2lzc2lzdGljLXByb2plY3Rpb24uaHRtbA&ntb=1
2. Shift blame away from themselves and maintain their “perfect” self-image.
   https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=ee5a...vbmFyY2lzc2lzdGljLXByb2plY3Rpb24uaHRtbA&ntb=1
3. Deny their own flaws and bad behaviors, instead, accusing others of displaying them.
   https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=21ac...Whvdy5jb20vTmFyY2lzc2lzdC1Qcm9qZWN0aW9u&ntb=1

There is treatment for this disorder, but first you must accept the disorder, then want the help.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You have tried many times to "bring me down to your level". A level in which you promote to all others that striving to "Go and Sin no more", as instructed, somehow denies the Lord Jesus Christ and that somehow "Loving God with all "my" heart, with all "my" might, and with all "my" soul, as the Jesus "of the Bible" Himself commands, is somehow replacing this Jesus with "my" own sinful efforts.

You are completely ignorant of Paul's teaching in this regard, but especially Paul's teaching in 1 cor. 10. Why did the men who ate and drank of the One Spiritual Rock, the Christ, fall in the wilderness? Was it because they loved God with all "their" hearts, "their" might, "their" soul, like Caleb and Joshua did?

Was it because they went at Goliath, an enemy stronger that they, with everything "they" had, like David did?? Was it because they believed God when HE instructed them to live a certain way, even though the serpent in the garden was telling them, "you can't please God", "you can't obey God", "you don't Love God"?

No "praise_yeshua"! It's because they didn't love God with all "their" heart, with all "their" soul, with all "their" might, even though they ate and drank from that Spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ, like Caleb and Joshua did.

Had they "believed" God, like Caleb did, they wouldn't have fallen, just as Caleb didn't fall. Does this mean Caleb never sinned? Of course not, it simply means Caleb Loved God with ALL "his" might. Jesus tries to tell you this in His Prophesy about "Christianity" in Matt. 7. But by your works it is clear that you don't believe in this Jesus.

So, what you refuse to see even after you have been shown, is that it is "our effort", that God wants. That is the First and Greatest Commandment in the Bible. You can read it for yourself.

Putting 300 men against 10,000 is impossible. Having to choose between obeying an invisible God, or being tossed into a furnace of fire, is an impossible choice. Obeying the Christ's instruction concerning whose Words to "live by" in a world full of religions who preach against this very thing, is a daunting command.

But if I believe God, I will strive with all "my" heart, that HE knows, with all "my" soul, that HE gave me, with all "my" might that I received from Him, to "Yield myself" to Him in obedience, as Paul teaches both Jew and Gentile.

And even in my weakness, even in my sinful flesh, if I strive with all that "I am", to become a "Doer" of His sayings, and not a hearer only, my house will stand in that day. If I "press towards the mark" of perfection, even after I fall, God will step in where I am short. Just as the 300 were victorious against the 10,000. Just like Shadrack lived to tell his story to his children, just as Goliath hit the earth dead. Not by "my" power, because it is impossible for 300 men to defeat 10,000. But If I give "all" that I have, and pray for help in my unbelief, God is faithful to step in where my weakness exists. Because in me God's Power is perfected in my weakness. Just as God's Power was made perfect in the weakness of the 300 men who trusted Him, against the 10,000 that didn't.

But if I listen to you,

Num. 13:31 But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we.

I am doomed to fall, just as those "many" Christians fell in Matt. 7. Just as "many", who also drank of that Spiritual Rock fell in the wilderness.

Sadly, you are more interested in promoting your u-tube channel and transforming yourself into an "apostle of Christ", to concern yourself with what Paul is actually teaching in 1 Cor. 10.

I can't do anything about your agenda, but I can post Scriptures and attempt to engage in honest examination and discussion about them.

Anytime you want to revisit 1 cor. 10: 1-14, just let me know.




Such wickedness and evil in your heart against me, and for what? Because I believe Ecc. 9:20, "AND" Ecc. 12:13, that you can't bring yourself to even talk about? Because I pointed out the absolute Biblical Truth about why Israel fell, even after they drank from the Living Water that followed them, and that Rock was Christ?

You know a lot of things that are not true PY. The mainstream preachers of Paul's time were no different.



This is already a public debate. I have asked you questions, posted scriptures and you refuse to even acknowledge them, much less debate them. How am I to believe you now? You want to go line by line in 1 cor. 10:1-14? You want to go line by line in Romans 3: 1-18, Psalms 5, and 14?

These would be great threads. Start one, and let's see how eager you are to debate them.




Narcissistic projection is a defense mechanism used by narcissists to:

1. Cope with their own feelings of inadequacy or insecurity by attributing these negative traits to others.
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2. Shift blame away from themselves and maintain their “perfect” self-image.
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3. Deny their own flaws and bad behaviors, instead, accusing others of displaying them.
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There is treatment for this disorder, but first you must accept the disorder, then want the help.

I can show you that I'm not a narcissist. I'll put you on ignore and leave you to God.

 

[Studyman]

I can show you that I'm not a narcissist. I'll put you on ignore and leave you God.

Concerning your claim that I don't care about Jesus, don't love God and can't please God, I would much rather discuss the Scriptures I posted. But you are free to hide from the discussion and place me on ignore if that makes you feel better about yourself.

That's what the Pharisees did to Moses and the Prophets, and the actual Words of Jesus and Paul, they ignored them.

Nevertheless, if you can rule over your fleshy anger, I am still glad to examine and discuss 1 cor. 10:1-14, along with Romans 3: 1-18, Psalms 5 and 14, any time you would like to.

 

[TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY]

Let me make the connection for you.........

We have an history. Not only that, I know your theology. It is not something new. You're repeating others. I know your theology. I've known your theology for very long time. I KNOW your perspective. When I "draw" that perspective out to the forefront with "pointed questions"....... You don't like it. It exposes your issues. I will continue to do this because it shows just exact what your false claims equal. It doesn't matter if you like it or not. It doesn't matter if you accept it or not. You can ask God to destroy me and turn my life to ashes for all it matters. You have no power. None. This thread is about authority. You have none.

What I was accurately detailing is the fact YOU don't operate the way YOU claim God operates. Ergo..... You have a theology that blames God for "casting away" his people. You don't speak for God. You speak for YOU. You wouldn't do yourself with what you're charging God does.

Which is the very definition of an insincere faith. You have this idea... this imagination about God that isn't real. You have an idol of imaginations.

2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

This is MY ministry. I don't expect acceptance. I don't expect approval from men. I've never faced anything but resistance in my life. Over and over again. Sooner or later, friends become enemies. The friend you have today will be your enemy tomorrow.

I will face God one day with everything I've ever said. THEN we will know who is speaking for God. All these claims and battle for authority in the "church" is nothing more than men like the "sons of Zebedee". They were looking to RULE over those in Christ.

When Paul came down to the last years of his life, he began looking for good men to continue his battle. He chose Timothy and Titus. He did so for a reason.

Php 2:20 For I have no man likeminded, who will naturally care for your state.

Then Paul said these words......

Php 2:21 For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's......

I believe the words of Paul. There was a great falling away that took place after the death of the apostles. Two perspectives remained in that process. It either came through Jerusalem and the "church" at Jerusalem or the line ended with Timothy and Titus.

Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
Act 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

Since that time, every man has sought their own things. Not the things that are of Christ. You included.......

Everyone is out here crying "come follow me"..... "I got it right"....... and everyone is wrong to a great degree. If we could abandon this nonsense about "being right" because "God chose me"........ then we might be able to make some progress...

I'd don't know if we will ever get there......

paul would have answered that mans statement about it dont matter how his children behave
with this . Do we then sin , GOD forbid , who you serve IS WHOSE you are .
God wont be mocked dear church , what we sow to is what we reap . many forget all the warnings and other reminders
paul gave . OFten men do this . They pick a verse or two but then make the verse appear to imply
something IT NEVER MEANT . We must learn to righly divide and love that truth of every word written .