Even in John 1, Jesus is not God

[Doug Brents]

Thank you, which means he is the same ONE PERSON, just with, on earth, blood, and now in heaven without blood, Glorified in the Spirit, per John 17:5. Oh so simple.

he is the Father. your own words certify this, listen to the term "WITH" concerning the Godhead. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." sound like two persons? no, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." THE SAME "ONE" PERSON... I "ALSO" am the Last. did no one ever pick up on what the Lord Jesus is saying when in Revelation "I am the First and the Last?"..... hello, anyone home? how many person is JESUS? answer ONE PERSON, and he's the First and the Last. ....... hello?

So the Lamb that is before the throne is the Father sitting on the throne? YES ... and NO. They are the same God, but they are not in the same place, or the same being, or the same glory (at that time). The Father is also God, but He was still in Heaven when Jesus was on Earth praying to Him.

my God are we alive and functioning?

Your blasphemy is not welcome here!!!!!

 

[360watt]

I've never been comfortable seperating Jesus and the Father completely. They obviously are distinct, but to be the one being God..they shouldn't actually be seperate. I don't know how that works with the Lamb taking the scroll from the Father so my view has holes in it..but we can't get away from monotheism.

 

[Doug Brents]

I've never been comfortable seperating Jesus and the Father completely. They obviously are distinct, but to be the one being God..they shouldn't actually be seperate. I don't know how that works with the Lamb taking the scroll from the Father so my view has holes in it..but we can't get away from monotheism.

I absolutely agree, but since we are "one dimensional beings" and God is a "three dimensional being" (figuratively speaking of course), we do not have the capacity to comprehend what it means to be a single being with three "persons/manifestations/beings". The closest we can get to comprehending is to examine marriage where God says that two become one.

 

[101G]

So the Lamb that is before the throne is the Father sitting on the throne? YES ... and NO.

(smile), in Amalgamation of the "ECHAD" as Ordinal First and Ordinal Last.? YES, the Lamb that is before the throne is the same Lamb that sits on the THRONE..... (smile)... LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh My what a wonderful revelation.

They are the same God

No, not they, he, he, he, is the ONE TRUE GOD in the ECHAD. please get it Right.

but they are not in the same place, or the same being, or the same glory (at that time). The Father is also God, but He was still in Heaven when Jesus was on Earth praying to Him.

again, not They, but he in the ECHAD of the Equal Share. understand the "ARM" of God. yes he, he, he, in the ECHAD is in heaven while on earth at the same time supportive scripture. John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."
while in heaven, (the Spirit, the Ordinal FIRST, LORD/FATHER.... JESUS..... is on Earth , (the spirit, the Ordinal LAST, Lord/Son. Oh this is just 2 easy.

now take your time and really understand John 3:13...... (smile)... again, the ECHAD in plain view. while in flesh in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state, talking to Nicodemus on earth, he was in heaven at the same time upholding all things as always. what a God we serve, well at least 101G serves...... (smile).

101G.

 

[101G]

I've never been comfortable seperating Jesus and the Father completely. They obviously are distinct, but to be the one being God..they shouldn't actually be seperate. I don't know how that works with the Lamb taking the scroll from the Father so my view has holes in it..but we can't get away from monotheism.

Also @Doug Brents. understand Revelation and one can understand God. listen he who sits on the throne is the Lord Jesus, and the one who stands before it is the same one. the ECHAD in plain view.
here in Revelation Chapter FIVE the Lamb comes and take the scroll from the one who sits. let understand perfectly what this means.

Many say, "if the Lord JESUS is "GOD", why don't he know his return date, only the Father knows". so clearly Jesus is not the Father. well let's see.

again the beauty of "THE ECHAD" in KNOWING the ANSWER, the TRUTH. we will get straight to the point, the answer is in the "will" of God. God have a "will", a plan, an agenda. and it is clearly seen in the Godly principle of of his Will, so first we go to the Gospels to get the FULL UNDERSTANDING to our question. Matthew 6:3. listen and Learn, "But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth". how can one do something themselves without knowing about it. your right hand, and left hand is a part of you. the answer, because you "will" it not to known. sound strange?, NO, I have done it. when someone come to me in confidentiality, I wills myself not to remember as to what have been said. now lets see how God do it. scripture, Jeremiah 31:34 "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more". see that?, "and I (will) remember their sin no more". HOLD IT, how can almighty God, all knowing God not remember? Answer, it's an act of the will. he wills "not" to remember. just as he said in Matthew 6:3b "let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth", "let" is an act of the will. so how do all of this relates to our Lord's not knowing his return date. answer, Revelation chapter 5. our Lord, Jesus is sitting on the throne. what happens? the Spirit, (the Father, the Holy Ghost, the Ordinal First, Jesus in the ECHAD), comes and takes the book out of his "OWN" RIGHT HAND, now,....... which hand did he take the book out of?, the right hand. Remember what he the Lord Jesus said in Matthew 6:3? "But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth". by the Father, JESUS, the Ordinal First, (the Holy Spirit), by him taking the book out of his own "RIGHT" hand, REMEMBER THE BOOK OF REVELATION IS SIGNIFIED, SO THE SYMBOLISM HERE IS EXPRESSED IN THESE TERMS SO ONE CAN CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON. so, the Lord Jesus, the ordinal last, wills not to KNOW his return DATE. because the book contains all the information of what's to come, (even his return date), which is out of his hands, or will to KNOW... (smile). so, only the Father, (the ordinal first in amalgamation), only knows". he Jesus the father, the ordinal First in Symbolism, is carrying out Matthew 6:3, by taking the book out of his OWN "RIGHT" hand. by our Lord being in flesh and bone, and as mediator, he fulfills the DAVIDIC PROPHECY, Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool". The until is written in the book that was in the Lord's, (the Ordinal Last), right hand, with the seals now unbroken ... he wills not to know, (SO DON'T GO TO THE LORD JESUS ASKING, FOR HE "WILLS" NOT TO KNOW. So the Lord Jesus statement is true, no one knows only he who took the book, and that’s the FATHER, JESUS, in amalgamation of the Spirit, (HE HIMSELF THE SPIRIT, FULFILLING THE STATEMENT MADE IN Matthew 6:3, which is an ACT of his OWN WILL of not KNOWING . remember, Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
so by understanding God's own will, he God himself wills NOT to know as Son his return date. this is JUST 2 EASY.
Another mystery cleared up, by knowing the true meaning of the ECHAD..

hope this helps, if need be ask question if you have any.

101G.

 

[101G]

@360watt,
if one comes to the perfect understanding of the "ECHAD", the the BIBLE opens up completely and yes, monotheism is establish.

101G.

 

[Doug Brents]

(smile), in Amalgamation of the "ECHAD" as Ordinal First and Ordinal Last.? YES, the Lamb that is before the throne is the same Lamb that sits on the THRONE..... (smile)... LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh My what a wonderful revelation.

No, not they, he, he, he, is the ONE TRUE GOD in the ECHAD. please get it Right.

They and He.
They, because They speak to each other in the plural several times in Scripture. "Let US make man in OUR image."
But also He, because He is ONE.

now take your time and really understand John 3:13...... (smile)... again, the ECHAD in plain view. while in flesh in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') state, talking to Nicodemus on earth, he was in heaven at the same time upholding all things as always. what a God we serve, well at least 101G serves...... (smile).

Yes, God was both on Earth and in Heaven at the same time.
Jesus (God) was on Earth, while the Father (God) was in Heaven.
Today, the Father (God) is on the throne in Heaven, Jesus (God) is in Heaven, and the Holy Spirit (God) is in our hearts. But they are also in each other at all times (John 14:11).

Also @Doug Brents. understand Revelation and one can understand God. listen he who sits on the throne is the Lord Jesus, and the one who stands before it is the same one. the ECHAD in plain view.

Jesus is the Lamb that sits before the throne. The Lamb is not sitting on the throne, the Father is sitting on the throne.

if one comes to the perfect understanding of the "ECHAD", the the BIBLE opens up completely and yes, monotheism is establish.

Monotheism has already been established. God is ONE. Yet there are three representations of Him.

 

[101G]

They and He.
They, because They speak to each other in the plural several times in Scripture. "Let US make man in OUR image."
But also He, because He is ONE.

ok, listen and UNDERSTAND, there is no "US" or "OUR" at Genesis 1:26. yes, there is only HE, and HIM, one person who made man male and female. if you don't believe 101G, I know you believe the Lord Jesus, correct? listen and Learn. Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," How many person is "he?"...... only ONE. the Lord Jesus in Flesh said, "he", "he", one person made man male and female. can the Lord Jesus lie? and the HE is one person GOD. how do 101G know this? for there is a second witness who recorded the same conversation. our brother Mark, listen. Mark 10:5 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept." Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female." so the "he" in Matthew 19:4 is "God". so God is a "he" that made man male and female. notice, the Lord Jesus said have you not read, so where is it written? in the very next verse in Genesis, 1:27, Listen, Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." STOP, how did God go from a US and OUR in verse 26 to a He and HIM in the very next verse. answer, God the LORD, note the "LORD" who is JESUS, the Spirit was speking of himself to Come..... the Ordinal Last. supportive scripture, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."

so, God was speaking of himself to come. God is the first prophet in the bible. he, Jesus thew Ordinal was to come. this is why the term "was" is used in John 1:1. for he ...... "WAS" ..... to come in Flesh. Oh this is just 2 easy.

understand the Lord Jesus in flesh is "God" to com. scripture, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."
plain as DAY. God came. Oh my... as said when one understand the "ECHAD" perfectly, then all questions are easily answered.

hope this helps.

101G.

 

[Doug Brents]

ok, listen and UNDERSTAND, there is no "US" or "OUR" at Genesis 1:26. yes, there is only HE, and HIM, one person who made man male and female. if you don't believe 101G, I know you believe the Lord Jesus, correct? listen and Learn. Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," How many person is "he?"...... only ONE. the Lord Jesus in Flesh said, "he", "he", one person made man male and female. can the Lord Jesus lie? and the HE is one person GOD. how do 101G know this? for there is a second witness who recorded the same conversation. our brother Mark, listen. Mark 10:5 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept." Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female." so the "he" in Matthew 19:4 is "God". so God is a "he" that made man male and female. notice, the Lord Jesus said have you not read, so where is it written? in the very next verse in Genesis, 1:27, Listen, Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." STOP, how did God go from a US and OUR in verse 26 to a He and HIM in the very next verse. answer, God the LORD, note the "LORD" who is JESUS, the Spirit was speking of himself to Come..... the Ordinal Last. supportive scripture, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."

so, God was speaking of himself to come. God is the first prophet in the bible. he, Jesus thew Ordinal was to come. this is why the term "was" is used in John 1:1. for he ...... "WAS" ..... to come in Flesh. Oh this is just 2 easy.

understand the Lord Jesus in flesh is "God" to com. scripture, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."
plain as DAY. God came. Oh my... as said when one understand the "ECHAD" perfectly, then all questions are easily answered.

hope this helps.

101G.

Ahh, so Gen 1:26, and again in Gen 3:22, God was mistaken when He talked to Himself and called Himself "US" and "OUR"? And Jesus must have been schizophrenic when He was talking to Himself in the Garden, and in the upper room, and on all the occasions when He prayed to the Father. And the Father was a figment of Jesus' mind when He spoke from Heaven, and the dove was a figment of the onlooker's minds when the Holy Spirit came down on Jesus at His baptism.

God is ONE, but there are three ways that we humans encounter Him, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are all three ONE God.

 

[GeneZ]

is that body human or Glorified, or resurrected. Now listen and Learn, 1 Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?" 1 Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:" 1 Corinthians 15:37 "And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:"

did you get that? your body that your human father and mother produce is NOT, IS NOT, IS NOT, the body that shall be. got that?

101G.

Its His Soul that makes him humanity......

Like Christ We will have the same soul in our glorified bodies.


If you drive around an old beat up car?
And, for your next car found yourself driving a high tech, luxury car?
Would not the driver remain the same soul?

He is the same soul, but now having FULL ACCESS to all Deity has to offer.... endlessly.

 

[Rowan]

John tells us Jesus is God:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

Since the Greek Bible begins with the expression ἐν ἀρχη (“in the beginning”), it seems likely that John is alluding to Gen. 1:1.

But whereas the first verse of the Torah continues “God created,” John follows with “the Word [already] existed.”

In Genesis the creation of the world is happening during the same period of time with or marks “the beginning;” in John the existence of the Word is earlier to the “the beginning” … John implies the eternal preexistence of the Word.

John is clearly emphasizing that when the Beginning began, the Word was already in existence.

In John 17, we read:
And now, glorify Thou Me together with Thyself, Father, with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was. John 17:5

 

[GeneZ]

ok, listen and UNDERSTAND, there is no "US" or "OUR" at Genesis 1:26.

101G.

You're right!

Never saw that before.

Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, ​

so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, ​

over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures ​

that move along the ground.”​

You are blatant and unashamed.....

 

[101G]

Ahh, so Gen 1:26, and again in Gen 3:22, God was mistaken when He talked to Himself and called Himself "US" and "OUR"? And Jesus must have been schizophrenic when He was talking to Himself in the Garden, and in the upper room, and on all the occasions when He prayed to the Father. And the Father was a figment of Jesus' mind when He spoke from Heaven, and the dove was a figment of the onlooker's minds when the Holy Spirit came down on Jesus at His baptism.

God is ONE, but there are three ways that we humans encounter Him, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are all three ONE God.

LOL, LOL, LOL, ... Oh my, do you understand what prophecy is all about? Genesis 3:22 "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"

so, we can take it you don't believe the Lord Jesus concerning "US" and "Our". listen and Learn, Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

God: H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433

[plural of H433]?
Notice ... plural "of" and not "from".

so what is
H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator, Yahweh by name.
3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.
Root(s): H410

BINGO, there is the ECHAD of ONE.

101G

 

[101G]

Its His Soul that makes him humanity.

Post scripture to that effect.

101G

 

[101G]

You're right!

Never saw that before.

Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, ​

so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, ​

over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures ​

that move along the ground.”​

You are blatant and unashamed.....
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so, you don't believe the Lord Jesus when he said "God" is a HE at Genesis 1:26?

101G

 

[101G]

You're right!

I know, now READ Matthews 19:3 & 4 and tell us if 101G is correct or not........

101G.

 

[360watt]

I absolutely agree, but since we are "one dimensional beings" and God is a "three dimensional being" (figuratively speaking of course), we do not have the capacity to comprehend what it means to be a single being with three "persons/manifestations/beings". The closest we can get to comprehending is to examine marriage where God says that two become one.

Yes it's helped me to think of us as 2d beings seeing a being on a 3d plane

 

[101G]

John is clearly emphasizing that when the Beginning began, the Word was already in existence.

the Word is God, just as John 1:1c states. the Word did not pre-exist, the Word exist. there is nothing pre about the Word. what John 1:1 is saying the "one" Who is God "SHARED" himself equally in flesh, that's all.

101G.

 

[101G]

Yes it's helped me to think of us as 2d beings seeing a being on a 3d plane

are you two kidding yourselves? read the bible. Acts 17:28 "For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring."

101G

 

[101G]

@360watt,
how do you think that the angels as well as the Lord Jesus can "appear" and "disappear" at will especially after his resurrection? yes, the collapsing of the field around us. why do you think this whole CFREATION is really 3D when we can only see 2 D? just think for a second.

101G