civic
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More equivocating as Jesus is both the Lamb and the Lamb of God- One in the same Person- Jesus.
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Even in John 1, Jesus is not God
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101G
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Civic, there is hope for you after all..... (smile). now do you know the difference? not to test you, but 101G will answer, but 101G wants you to really know. so, 101G will answer.
the Lamb of God have "BLOOD" and is on Earth, scripture, John 1:29 "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." NOW THIS, Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." THIS LAMB STANDING HAS NO "BLOOD", BUT HAVE SEVEN HORNS...... (ALL POWER), AND SEVEN EYES, (ALL KNOWING). and NOTICE, .... "SENT FORTH INTO ALL THE EARTH. question, "who was sent into all the earth?.... answer, the "HOLY SPIRIT"..... let 101G stop here before he gives away more goodies.
101G.
Doug Brents
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"And I saw between the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a Lamb standing, as if slaughtered, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth." Rev 5:6
Let me ask you, who is the Lamb mentioned here? Is He not the same as the Lamb mentioned in John 1:20?
"The next day he saw Jesus coming to him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!" John 1:20
For it was Jesus (the Lamb of God) who was slaughtered (Rev 5:6) to take away our sins. That makes the two references apply to the same individual. The LAMB is the Lamb of God: same person, same sacrifice, same in all respects. Just because "of God" is not said in Revelation, there can be no debate over them being the same.
civic
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Same Lamb, same Person and he is making the distinction before and after the Lambs death-slain/drain of blood. Its really a distinction without a difference. The Lamb is Christ and He is in heaven in the throne of God as the Lamb that was slain.
GeneZ
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Do you see us as STUPID? (smile)
Wrangler
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Everything is expressed in context. The context does not change the fact; there is one God, the Father. This is true in every context referring to the Creator, referring to Jesus' God.
Yup. Notice two people do not a trinity make?
Yes, there are two authorities in the context but in reality there are many authorities that I have demonstrated numerous times. While every town has a mayor, every State has a governor but our nation has 1 POTUS at a time. So, not only are there 2 differing authorities, they are not at the same level of authority.
The relationship between our Lord and his God is akin to agent and principle. Consider the following verses:
For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me.
John 6:38
I don’t speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it.
John 12:39 (NLT)
There is a difference in authority between the sender and who was sent. Jesus tells us this explicitly.
Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him
John 13:16
There is no verse that indicates Jesus commanding God, commanding the Father. I know you will not accept any proof text but there it is. There is one true God, YHWH, who we relate to as father. Jesus is OF God, a servant of God, but this does not make him God. Simple.
GeneZ
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"For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form."
Thank God when we have a resurrection body we will have different bodily functions.
For when you stand before the Lord, if you were in the same body as you have now....
you'd be Edit.
As you are to others He will be to you..... To teach you.
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101G
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Oh yes he is the same one in John 1:20 just without Blood. this is the ECHAD plain as DAY before your eyes. understand, the Lamb "of" God is Jesus the Ordinal Last in Flesh and Blood. in Revelation 5, this is the Lord Jesus the Ordinal First in Amalgamation in the GLORIFIED BODY..... (without Blood).
this is the same "one" person, only in the ECHAD of Ordinal designations of FIRST and LAST. Now Listen carefully, he who sits on the throne is he who stands before the throne...... (smile)...... Oh dear,
Yikes !now listen, ... and LEARN, Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."
WHO IS THE "ME" HERE IN THE VERSE? answer, The Ordinal FIRST, WHO is the Lord Jesus, the LAMB, God himself, in flesh to Come the Ordinal Last the Lamb of, of, of, God. Oh my God, this is Just too easy not to understand.
101G.
EclipseEventSigns
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LOL. Of course not. You would never admit to it.
civic
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Yet the Lamb is not the Father. Listen and learn.Oh yes he is the same one in John 1:20 just without Blood. this is the ECHAD plain as DAY before your eyes. understand, the Lamb "of" God is Jesus the Ordinal Last in Flesh and Blood. in Revelation 5, this is the Lord Jesus the Ordinal First in Amalgamation in the GLORIFIED BODY..... (without Blood).
this is the same "one" person, only in the ECHAD of Ordinal designations of FIRST and LAST. Now Listen carefully, he who sits on the throne is he who stands before the throne...... (smile)...... Oh dear,
now listen, ... and LEARN, Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."
WHO IS THE "ME" HERE IN THE VERSE? answer, The Ordinal FIRST, WHO is the Lord Jesus, the LAMB, God himself, in flesh to Come the Ordinal Last the Lamb of, of, of, God. Oh my God, this is Just too easy not to understand.
101G.
oh dear, yikes. "smile"
101G
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you're getting there. CORRECT, the same ONE Person in the ECHAD of "ONE". the Distinction is .... "EQUALLY SHARING" as ONE PERSON. the ECHAD consist of ONLY "ONE" PERSON, Equally SHARED in Spirit. let the Scripture speak. in Revelation who is addressing the 7 churches.... the Lord Jesus ..... correct, but as who? let the scriptures tell us. in each letter, they all end this way, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches". Wait, WHAT? THE SPIRIT SAY, was it not the Lord Jesus who was addressing the 7 churches? please go and read for yourself. and was it not the Spirit who was sent forth into all the EARTH? yes, the Holy Spirit who is the ONE here Speaking to the 7 churches, the Lord Jesus.
I better stop before I give away more Goodies.
101G.
101G
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101G
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is that body human or Glorified, or resurrected. Now listen and Learn, 1 Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?" 1 Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:" 1 Corinthians 15:37 "And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:"
did you get that? your body that your human father and mother produce is NOT, IS NOT, IS NOT, the body that shall be. got that?
101G.
civic
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101G
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the Lamb is the Lord Jesus........listen and Learn, Revelation 5:4 "And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon." Revelation 5:5 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof." Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."
was it not the Lamb that was slain, because now he Stands, (resurrected). let's see, Revelation 5:12 "Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing."
was is a PAST TENSE WORD, meaning what is already happen....... (smile), Oh this is just too easy.
101G.
101G
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are you sure, Listen and Learn, Revelation 5:5 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof." THE "ROOT" OF DAVID IS BEFORE DAVID, (SPIRIT/FATHER), AND THE OFFSPRING OF DAVID IS AFTER DAVID, (Spirit/SON).Yet the Lamb is not the Father. Listen and learn.
Now, is JESUS Before David/ROOT, or after David/OFFSPRING. let the bible tell us. Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
this is BASIC BIBLE STUDY, one should have already known this. JESUS is both "LORD/FATHER" before David, and JESUS is "Lord/Son" after David. ....
hope this Helps. remember this is bible, and not 101G.
101G.
101G
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Seated, and about our Father's business are two different animals.I'm already to Infinity and Beyond.
I'm seated in heavenly places.
101G
Doug Brents
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The Lamb in Heaven shed His blood, while He was on Earth, for us. Of course He has no blood in a Spiritual realm.
Jesus is one with the Father, so in one way you are correct. But we can see that the Father is sitting on the throne, and the Lamb is sitting between the throne and the alter, so they are not the same. The Father is sitting on the throne holding the scroll, and the Lamb takes the scroll from the Father and opens it. They are the same, but they are also different.this is the ECHAD plain as DAY before your eyes. understand, the Lamb "of" God is Jesus the Ordinal Last in Flesh and Blood. in Revelation 5, this is the Lord Jesus the Ordinal First in Amalgamation in the GLORIFIED BODY..... (without Blood).
this is the same "one" person, only in the ECHAD of Ordinal designations of FIRST and LAST. Now Listen carefully, he who sits on the throne is he who stands before the throne...... (smile)...... Oh dear,
now listen, ... and LEARN, Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."
WHO IS THE "ME" HERE IN THE VERSE? answer, The Ordinal FIRST, WHO is the Lord Jesus, the LAMB, God himself, in flesh to Come the Ordinal Last the Lamb of, of, of, God. Oh my God, this is Just too easy not to understand.
101G.
101G
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Thank you, which means he is the same ONE PERSON, just with, on earth, blood, and now in heaven without blood, Glorified in the Spirit, per John 17:5. Oh so simple.
he is the Father. your own words certify this, listen to the term "WITH" concerning the Godhead. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." sound like two persons? no, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." THE SAME "ONE" PERSON... I "ALSO" am the Last. did no one ever pick up on what the Lord Jesus is saying when in Revelation "I am the First and the Last?"..... hello, anyone home? how many person is JESUS? answer ONE PERSON, and he's the First and the Last. ....... hello? my God are we alive and functioning? Oh well......... (shake head). Lord, Lord, Lord.
To all,
these things which 101G speak of is basic bible study. you all should already know these things? example, he who sits on the throne is he who stand before it. the ECHAD is in PLAIN VIEW. I just cannot believe people are missing this.
101G.
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