Eternal Justification !

TomL said:
except

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Eternal Justification is a heresy
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Thats the elects spiritual condition prior to conversion, that is why their eternal justification is unconditional as well as their eternal election.
 
brightfame52 said:
As for Eternal Justification !

As for Eternal Justification it is contemporaneous with Eternal Election. According to scripture when did Election appear in the Purpose and Mind of God ? It was before the foundation of the world, by His own Eternal Choice of them in Christ Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Now if its established that God considered His Elect, by His Own Choice and Purpose as His Elect before the foundation, then by the simple fact of that alone, they being His Elect, they had nothing by Him laid to their Charge indicated here Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth

The word chosen in Eph 1:4 and Elect here in Rom 8:33 are the same word !

Now by them having nothing Charged against them by God, by that fact they are Justified as God's Elect, being such before the foundation of the World.

This makes them acquitted ad Justified from their sins before the foundation !

For it was Electing Grace that put them in Christ Rom 11:5

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace

And this Grace of Election was given them in the Divine Mind and Purpose before the World Began 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

And so by that Grace were they Justified before the world began Titus 3:7

7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

How is it possible for them to have Grace given them by God in Christ Jesus that Early, and them not being Justified in His Mind and Purpose by Grace that Early ?
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Um Ephesians refutes your claim

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Romans does not help you either

Romans 3:21–25 (KJV 1900) — 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
 
TomL said:
Um Ephesians refutes your claim

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Romans does not help you either

Romans 3:21–25 (KJV 1900) — 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
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You deny Justification by the Sovereign Grace of God given to the elect in Christ Jesus b4 the world began, thats a Gospel Truth you know.
 
TomL said:
I deny your twisting of scripture

Justification is by faith
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Justification is by Faith since they were Justified prior before the foundation. Only those Justified before the foundation, and by the Blood of Christ Rom 5:9 will be Justified by Faith in time, for its by Faith they realize they have always been Justified by Grace.
 
brightfame52 said:
Justification is by Faith since they were Justified prior before the foundation. Only those Justified before the foundation, and by the Blood of Christ Rom 5:9 will be Justified by Faith in time, for its by Faith they realize they have always been Justified by Grace.
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Sorry no one had faith before the foundation of the world
 
TomL said:
Sorry no one had faith before the foundation of the world
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Justification is by Faith since they were Justified prior before the foundation. Only those Justified before the foundation, and by the Blood of Christ Rom 5:9 will be Justified by Faith in time, for its by Faith they realize they have always been Justified by Grace.
 
brightfame52 said:
Justification is by Faith since they were Justified prior before the foundation. Only those Justified before the foundation, and by the Blood of Christ Rom 5:9 will be Justified by Faith in time, for its by Faith they realize they have always been Justified by Grace.
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Sorry nowher is it stated men are justified before the foundation of the earth

That is your unbiblical idea you impose upon scripture
 
TomL said:
Sorry nowher is it stated men are justified before the foundation of the earth

That is your unbiblical idea you impose upon scripture
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Justification is by Faith since they were Justified prior before the foundation. Only those Justified before the foundation, and by the Blood of Christ Rom 5:9 will be Justified by Faith in time, for its by Faith they realize they have always been Justified by Grace.
 
brightfame52 said:
Justification is by Faith since they were Justified prior before the foundation. Only those Justified before the foundation, and by the Blood of Christ Rom 5:9 will be Justified by Faith in time, for its by Faith they realize they have always been Justified by Grace.
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Not found anywhere is scripture

and unbiblical

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
 
It is God who Justifies His Elect !

Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

This fact alone in and of itself is enough to declare all of God's Elect Justified by Him. Whenever the scripture mentions Justification, its restricted to His Elect Isa 45:25

25 In the Lord[Jesus Christ] shall all the seed of Israel[God's Elect] be justified, and shall glory.

Now, since when did God have the will to Justify His Elect ? It was conceived in the Mind of God from Everlasting not to impute or charge sin to those of His Elect. For that must be the case if it was anything of an Everlasting Covenant struck with His Son, on their behalf, and so we have that which is called in scripture " the Blood of the Everlasting Covenant " Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

This Covenant will be revealed to all who have a Covenant Interest in it, like David had it revealed to him 2 Sam 23:5

5 Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.

Which at least by the Divine Purpose, and according to this Covenant, Christ is the Lamb that had been slain from the foundation Rev 13:8; 1 Pet 1:20, and if so slain, He was slain in the Divine Purpose for the sins of His Elect imputed to Him. In the Divine Purpose Christ had already been made sin[by imputation] for the elect 2 Cor 5:21 that He may in the fulness of time actually be slain for in our time.

So if God purposed to impute their sins to Christ, then when did He not impute them to Him ? See Ps 33:11 And when did He impute their sins to them ?

By this purpose conceived in the Mind of God, not to impute sin to His Elect from everlasting would at the least account for them to be by Him Justified from all their sins [by non imputation] from Everlasting. Paul preached of some being Justified from all things Acts 13:39

39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Justified here means to be cleared, absolved ,freed from every charge against them before God's Law and Justice, which could not have been done by the code of moses and the Levitical Priesthood.

So you see here in Acts 13:39 to be justified more so of being set free from sin and it's guilt and penalty, from which the mosaic administration and ts priesthood could not do, however it was done by that once and for all oblation of Christ, and made it count for all whom He died, Justified from all things, as it pertaineth to the things of God and the People Heb 2:17

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Again, this reconciliation or justification from all things, was restricted to the sins of the People of the Elect !

And God never charged them with their sins, but charged them to Christ, before the world began !

Now do not misunderstand, they were charged with sin, but those charges never were laid or imputed to them, but to Christ. The charges were real and Christ bore a real punishment for them.5
 
brightfame52 said:
It is God who Justifies His Elect !

Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

This fact alone in and of itself is enough to declare all of God's Elect Justified by Him. Whenever the scripture mentions Justification, its restricted to His Elect Isa 45:25

25 In the Lord[Jesus Christ] shall all the seed of Israel[God's Elect] be justified, and shall glory.

Now, since when did God have the will to Justify His Elect ? It was conceived in the Mind of God from Everlasting not to impute or charge sin to those of His Elect. For that must be the case if it was anything of an Everlasting Covenant struck with His Son, on their behalf, and so we have that which is called in scripture " the Blood of the Everlasting Covenant " Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

This Covenant will be revealed to all who have a Covenant Interest in it, like David had it revealed to him 2 Sam 23:5

5 Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.

Which at least by the Divine Purpose, and according to this Covenant, Christ is the Lamb that had been slain from the foundation Rev 13:8; 1 Pet 1:20, and if so slain, He was slain in the Divine Purpose for the sins of His Elect imputed to Him. In the Divine Purpose Christ had already been made sin[by imputation] for the elect 2 Cor 5:21 that He may in the fulness of time actually be slain for in our time.

So if God purposed to impute their sins to Christ, then when did He not impute them to Him ? See Ps 33:11 And when did He impute their sins to them ?

By this purpose conceived in the Mind of God, not to impute sin to His Elect from everlasting would at the least account for them to be by Him Justified from all their sins [by non imputation] from Everlasting. Paul preached of some being Justified from all things Acts 13:39

39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Justified here means to be cleared, absolved ,freed from every charge against them before God's Law and Justice, which could not have been done by the code of moses and the Levitical Priesthood.

So you see here in Acts 13:39 to be justified more so of being set free from sin and it's guilt and penalty, from which the mosaic administration and ts priesthood could not do, however it was done by that once and for all oblation of Christ, and made it count for all whom He died, Justified from all things, as it pertaineth to the things of God and the People Heb 2:17

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Again, this reconciliation or justification from all things, was restricted to the sins of the People of the Elect !

And God never charged them with their sins, but charged them to Christ, before the world began !

Now do not misunderstand, they were charged with sin, but those charges never were laid or imputed to them, but to Christ. The charges were real and Christ bore a real punishment for them.5
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Sorry but you contradict scripture

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


and teach heresies
 
TomL said:
Sorry but you contradict scripture

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


and teach heresies
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This is another Gospel Truth you are not able to receive.
 
brightfame52 said:
This is another Gospel Truth you are not able to receive.
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Sorry but you contradict scripture

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


and teach heresies
 

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