Eternal Justification !

[brightfame52]

Sorry but you contradict scripture

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


and teach heresies

This is another Gospel Truth you are not able to receive.

 

[TomL]

This is another Gospel Truth you are not able to receive.

Sorry but you contradict scripture

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


and teach heresies

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry but you contradict scripture

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


and teach heresies

This [eternal justification]is another Gospel Truth you are not able to receive.

 

[TomL]

This [eternal justification]is another Gospel Truth you are not able to receive.

Sorry but you contradict scripture

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


and teach heresies

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry but you contradict scripture

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


and teach heresies

This [eternal justification]is another Gospel Truth you are not able to receive.

 

[TomL]

This [eternal justification]is another Gospel Truth you are not able to receive.

Sorry but you contradict scripture

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


and teach heresies

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry but you contradict scripture

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


and teach heresies

This [eternal justification]is another Gospel Truth you are not able to receive.

 

[TomL]

This [eternal justification]is another Gospel Truth you are not able to receive.

Sorry but you contradict scripture

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


and teach heresies

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry but you contradict scripture

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


and teach heresies

This [eternal justification]is another Gospel Truth you are not able to receive. And those there in Eph 2:11-12 had a election union with Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4,6 and had been blessed accepted in Christ before they were born

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. Hence Eternal Justification

 

[TomL]

This [eternal justification]is another Gospel Truth you are not able to receive. And those there in Eph 2:11-12 had a election union with Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4,6 and had been blessed accepted in Christ before they were born

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. Hence Eternal Justification

Sorry but you contradict scripture

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


and teach heresies

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry but you contradict scripture

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


and teach heresies

This [eternal justification]is another Gospel Truth you are not able to receive. And those there in Eph 2:11-12 had a election union with Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4,6 and had been blessed accepted in Christ before they were born

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. Hence Eternal Justification

 

[TomL]

This [eternal justification]is another Gospel Truth you are not able to receive. And those there in Eph 2:11-12 had a election union with Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4,6 and had been blessed accepted in Christ before they were born

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. Hence Eternal Justification

Sorry but you contradict scripture

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


and teach heresies

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry but you contradict scripture

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:


and teach heresies

This [eternal justification]is another Gospel Truth you are not able to receive. And those there in Eph 2:11-12 had a election union with Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4,6 and had been blessed accepted in Christ before they were born

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. Hence Eternal Justification

 

[brightfame52]

Justification is in Christ alone !

Justification by Faith in Time is only possible and a reality because of Justification in Christ before time. This Justification is given them [Those Justified by Faith in Time] in Christ their Surety Head before the World Began 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us[Believers] in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Paul refers to it as Justification by Grace here Titus 3:7

7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

When were they made Heirs specifically ? By their being Chosen in Christ, The Heir of the World before the foundation Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Heb 1:2

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Justification by Grace in Titus 3:7 has nothing to do with being Justified by Faith, that they should be made Heirs according to the Hope of Eternal Life, for it is an Eternal Act of God's Grace towards them in Christ, whereby Grace was given them in Him according to God's Eternal Purpose in Christ Eph 3:11 before the World Began. Now this Justification was not as of yet in their Own Persons and Consciences, but Christ being their Surety before the World Began.

Now when they sinned in the time state, by an act of Eternal Grace, God did transfer the guilt and condemnation incurred by them, from them and did impute or charge it to their Surety, who did receive them, and they received a discharge from them, which is Justification by Grace in Titus 3:7 and Rom 3:24. This is True because the Justification by Grace before the World Began, was based on the Surety's Covenant Engagement to be slain, to shed His Blood in Time 1 Pet 1:18-20

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

So according to this Purpose, its the Blood of the Everlasting Covenant Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Since the Suretyship was setup from Everlasting Prov 8:23

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

So both Rom 3:24 and Titus 3:7 refer to Eternal Justification in Christ in God's Perception and Sight before the foundation of the World, and this is a Gospel of God's Grace Truth Acts 20:24

24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God. 5

 

[brightfame52]

If No Justification from Eternity ? Then what ?

If No Justification from Eternity ? Then what ? Its impossible to be Justified by Faith in time Rom 5:1, if we don't believe in Eternal Justification prior to ones believing. For Justification by Faith does receive Knowledge of having been Justified from eternity by the blood of the slain Lamb appointed and slain from the foundation 1 Pet 1:18-20

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

He was slain already for the sin of the Elect from God's Eternal Perspective. You see because God is Eternal, everything to Him is in the present because He is Outside of Time, Yet controls it. The Eternal God needed not the progression of time up to 33 ad to have reckoned Christ slain for the sins of the Many, before Him all whom He died for were eternally Justified by His Blood Rom 5:9

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Sorry but we cannot bound God by the Laws of Time as we His creatures are. Eternal Justification is the Justifying of the Persons of the Elect before Him, not them, For the sentence begins with God, because it is written " It is God that Justifeth " Not faith Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Now who can tell me when God ever lay anything to the charge of God's Elect ?

 

[civic]

If No Justification from Eternity ? Then what ?

If No Justification from Eternity ? Then what ? Its impossible to be Justified by Faith in time Rom 5:1, if we don't believe in Eternal Justification prior to ones believing. For Justification by Faith does receive Knowledge of having been Justified from eternity by the blood of the slain Lamb appointed and slain from the foundation 1 Pet 1:18-20

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

He was slain already for the sin of the Elect from God's Eternal Perspective. You see because God is Eternal, everything to Him is in the present because He is Outside of Time, Yet controls it. The Eternal God needed not the progression of time up to 33 ad to have reckoned Christ slain for the sins of the Many, before Him all whom He died for were eternally Justified by His Blood Rom 5:9

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Sorry but we cannot bound God by the Laws of Time as we His creatures are. Eternal Justification is the Justifying of the Persons of the Elect before Him, not them, For the sentence begins with God, because it is written " It is God that Justifeth " Not faith Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Now who can tell me when God ever lay anything to the charge of God's Elect ?

nope one is only justified after they believe- never before in Scripture.

you deny your very own golden chain of redemption taught by calvinism.

hope this helps !!!

 

[brightfame52]

nope one is only justified after they believe- never before in Scripture.

you deny your very own golden chain of redemption taught by calvinism.

hope this helps !!!

I know this is over your head, but God may have on you

 

[brightfame52]

If No Justification from Eternity ? Then what ? 2

Then we have not been Justified by Faith, and our faith is in vain ! Now Justified by Faith in Time means that we by Faith receive the knowledge of what is already known by God; That is why Faith is stated here as Heb 11:1

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

For Faith cannot be the substance and evidence of a thing that does not previously exist ! That which it is a evidence of must substantially exist before God ! Ones act of faith in time cannot actualize something to exist and have substance before the Eternal God, that's nonsensical and insulting to the Eternal I AM ! Now what is it that is revealed to God given Faith ? Why its the very Righteousness of God via the Gospel Rom 1:16-17

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Notice that it is revealed which means :

I.to uncover, lay open what has been veiled or covered up

II.to make known, make manifest, disclose what before was unknown

It makes known to those Justified by Christ's Work and own Righteousness to them that have it charged to them from Everlasting. Dan 9:24

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Its Everlasting because it has no beginning or ending before the Law and Justice of God, Its an Eternal Righteousness all whom had been Chosen in Christ had to their credit before the world began !

Some deem it the "or "the righteousness of ages" , of ages past; Or it can be, bring in Everlasting Justification. Now this is what is revealed in the Gospel ! So how can one deny Eternal Justification before God based on the Merits of Christ's Righteousness and have the Faith of God's Elect ? Its impossible !

 

[brightfame52]

All those who are Justified by His Blood as Per Rom 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by or in his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

All as such have been Justified before God from Eternity, because Christ being slain and redeeming them by His Blood as per Rev 5:9

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

This was in the Mind of God from Everlasting, as if it had already been done Rom 4:17

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not[as yet in time] as though they were [already accomplished]

For instance, He called Abraham the Father of Many Nations [Gen 17:5], when he was not yet a father at all !

Therefore it stands to sanctified reason, all for whom He died, were already Justified by His Blood as Early as the Eternal Mind could conceive of it ! 6

 

[Rockson]

If No Justification from Eternity ? Then what ? 2

Then we have not been Justified by Faith, and our faith is in vain !

First knock it off by creating our own bible verses. The closest I could find to a phrase with the words "in vain" is And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 1 Cor 15:14

And now there's this "By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand,

Of course you believe the opposite of the Bible. You don't believe by faith one enters into God's grace. You believe God's salvation grace was imparted before faith.