Calvinisms deficient Christology

[praise_yeshua]

It is slander. Slander is:

the utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation


: a false and defamatory oral statement about a person

So you can find a definition for "slander" and not provide one for the "Gospel"? Typical.

No. The truth is an absolute defense against charges of slander.

Will you "drop the charges" if I change it to "self serving"?

We can go through "arbitration" if you like.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Well if you have, they are the Gospel I earnestly contend for

Do you enjoy telling others that they can't come to Jesus? That is the gospel I see you presenting.

 

[praise_yeshua]

@brightfame52

What does this mean?

Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Maybe ESV....

Mat 23:13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in.

See the parts I've highlighted in bold?

I thought you believed the gospel that someone can't prevent these "elect" from entering the kingdom of God?

This is my problem with what Calvinists preach. They insist that another man can't prevent the elect from being saved when the Scriptures say otherwise.

Your gospel tells others that they can't come to Jesus.

 

[brightfame52]

So you can find a definition for "slander" and not provide one for the "Gospel"? Typical.

No. The truth is an absolute defense against charges of slander.

Will you "drop the charges" if I change it to "self serving"?

We can go through "arbitration" if you like.

You slandering me because we dont agree on scripture.

 

[brightfame52]

Do you enjoy telling others that they can't come to Jesus? That is the gospel I see you presenting.

I enjoy telling the Truth, no man naturally can come to Jesus to include myself Jn 6:44,65

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

65 And he[Jesus] said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

 

[brightfame52]

@brightfame52

What does this mean?

Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Maybe ESV....

Mat 23:13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in.

See the parts I've highlighted in bold?

I thought you believed the gospel that someone can't prevent these "elect" from entering the kingdom of God?

This is my problem with what Calvinists preach. They insist that another man can't prevent the elect from being saved when the Scriptures say otherwise.

Your gospel tells others that they can't come to Jesus.

Im not taking time to explain those things, you reject the things I have already explained.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Im not taking time to explain those things, you reject the things I have already explained.

You have no answer. I believe what Jesus said. I don't believe you.

 

[brightfame52]

You have no answer. I believe what Jesus said. I don't believe you.

No answer for you which is no biggie, a person going around slinging slanders

 

[praise_yeshua]

No answer for you which is no biggie, a person going around slinging slanders

Pretend I didn't ask it and give a clear answer.

 

[brightfame52]

Pretend I didn't ask it and give a clear answer.

You heard what I said

 

[praise_yeshua]

I enjoy telling the Truth, no man naturally can come to Jesus to include myself Jn 6:44,65

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

65 And he[Jesus] said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

See. You are trying to prevent others from entering the kingdom of God.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You heard what I said

I did. You heard what I said. Why not pretend I didn't ask and provide an answer.

 

[TomL]

It is True but you cant believe it

Scripture shows you are wrong

Eph 2;12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
also
Romans 16:7 (ESV) — 7 Greet Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners. They are well known to the apostles, and they were in Christ before me.

 

[TomL]

People were chosen in Christ before the foundation, and holy and blameless they are in Him, and they shall partake of all spiritual blessings in time like their regeneration and faith and repentance, believing the Gospel.

They are not in him

Ephesians 1:13 (ESV) — 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

Ephesians 2:11–12 (ESV) — 11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

 

[brightfame52]

See. You are trying to prevent others from entering the kingdom of God.

Man has no ability to come to Christ save by Divine Intervention which is supernatural Jn 6:44,65

 

[brightfame52]

Scripture shows you are wrong

Eph 2;12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
also
Romans 16:7 (ESV) — 7 Greet Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners. They are well known to the apostles, and they were in Christ before me.

No it doesnt, you dont understand scripture

 

[brightfame52]

They are not in him

Ephesians 1:13 (ESV) — 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

Ephesians 2:11–12 (ESV) — 11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

Yes they are in Him before the foundation Eph 1:4

 

[praise_yeshua]

Man has no ability to come to Christ save by Divine Intervention which is supernatural Jn 6:44,65

See. You are trying to prevent others from coming to Christ.

Mat 23:15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves.

See what CAUSED them to not enter the Kingdom of God just like Jesus said.

Jesus didn't have anything to do with it. YOU are.

 

[brightfame52]

See. You are trying to prevent others from coming to Christ.

Mat 23:15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves.

See what CAUSED them to not enter the Kingdom of God just like Jesus said.

Jesus didn't have anything to do with it. YOU are.

More Slander

 

[praise_yeshua]

More Slander

You are the one openly telling others that they can't come to Jesus. You are. That is what YOU are doing.

I personally know of people that believe that God will call them one day and they are WAITING....... when God has already given Christ for humanity.