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John 6:45 (ESV) — 45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me—
Those who believed God came to Christ
Calvinisms deficient Christology
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John 6:45 (ESV) — 45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me—
Those who believed God came to Christ
brightfame52
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More Slander, Jesus is telling people that no one has the ability to come Him, and you slander me
praise_yeshua
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No. Jesus didn't say this. You did. I can read it for myself. I don't have to read your perversion of what Jesus said. Thank God I can. Thank you Lord Jesus. No thanks @brightfame52
brightfame52
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More Slander, Jesus is telling people that no one has the ability to come Him Jn 6:44,65, and you slander me,
Im encouraged though Matt 5:11
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
praise_yeshua
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Now you are slandering Jesus. Jesus wasn't talking to everyone. Jesus was talking to specific people. What He said was relative to them for specific reasons.
You are slandering Jesus.
You're more concerned about yourself than Jesus. That is why you're claiming I slandered you. It shows where your heart is. It is with you. Not Jesus.
Why do you insist on slandering Jesus?
brightfame52
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More Slander
praise_yeshua
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Okay. You can keep playing this "slander" game. You are slander Jesus but you've done this for a very long time now without conscience to the contrary.
So... Prove Jesus was talking to everyone. Go for it. I'll wait. Prove it. The onus is upon you to extend what Jesus said to a few to everyone.
brightfame52
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praise_yeshua
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You are. Your first thoughts were to yourself. Does that place Jesus first in your thoughts?
Bob Carabbio
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PSST!!! "Regeneration" is a religious BUZZ Word, Which definition of it do yo hang your hat on???
brightfame52
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More slander
regeneration imparts new life
praise_yeshua
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Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Spirit;
Bob Carabbio
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Yup - In other words being SAVED / Born again.
That's not what it means in Calvin-speak.
brightfame52
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Thats correct and thats needed in order to hear and believe the Gospel
praise_yeshua
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No. A Calvinist believes regeneration is enlightenment. Not the new birth.
You really don't know Calvinism. You don't. I've studied for decades. I've debated it for decades. I've debated it with seasoned and well established Calvinists that would never make the mistakes you're making.
brightfame52
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How do you know what everybody believes ? The New Birth is essential for the hearing and believing of the Gospel
praise_yeshua
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Because Calvinist beliefs are well documented. I can read.
Not that they don't contradict one another. They do. They do contradict in many meaningful ways. Even the WCF and the Synod of Dort conflict with one another.
Do you know what they are? Claim one and stick to it.
Except believing the gospel/believing christ precedes life
John 20:31 (ESV) — 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
John 5:40 (ESV) — 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.
John 5:24–25 (ESV) — 24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. 25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
John 6:53 (ESV) — 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
brightfame52
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Before one can see or understand the Gospel of the Kingdom, they first must be given Spiritual Ears and Eyes. You dont know what everyone believes who call themselves a Calvinist, thats pride saying that.
