Another former Calvinist Sam Shamoun
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7xLightray
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Should you not be starting, if you can? How are three persons one Teacher? If all three claim to be a teacher, how are they one teacher? And how confused will the students be? Confusion, the enemy of faith.
The Rogue Tomato
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"I'm going to trust him with things that I haven't figured out."
And, IMO, there are things we CAN'T figure out. The answer is to trust God and not lean on one's own understanding.
And, IMO, there are things we CAN'T figure out. The answer is to trust God and not lean on one's own understanding.
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praise_yeshua
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Isn't this the favorite approach of most every cult you can image?
praise_yeshua
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If you want to discuss this, start a thread in the Trinity forum and I'll join.
Three teachers can certain say the same things because they are telling the Truth. In this, they are Unified. There is no division. You are preaching that God is divided.
Does your church telling three different stories about the Truth? Division is of men.
When Jesus said "I AM THE WAY".... He left no room for division with God.
The Rogue Tomato
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A cult is about putting your trust in one man, not God.
Rockson
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I can be considered the same at least at age 66.
So what do you want? Everyone to affirm it's somewhat of a mystery. OK it is somewhat in a sense but let's not compare it to the absolute contradiction of Calvinistic thought that God ordains peoples actions but then is not forcing and end result. To say such can anyway be reconciled in a sane universe I'd assert to you is ridiculous.
And any way you want to look at it I've shown you three in one realities exist.
praise_yeshua
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I agree but these "men" often use the same argument. Just listen to God. Doesn't matter if it makes sense or not.
7xLightray
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You also could start a thread and I would join.
I guess you missed this post: "Three persons judging, whether they all be in one body, or not, whether they all agree, or not, are still three Judges judging.
praise_yeshua
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I didn't start that conversation. I responded to you. Start one or not. Your choice. If you want me to participate, then it will be you that starts it.
In Character (Person). They are One. There is no division. In administration, they are separate.
Did you miss the part where I said that Jesus is "THE WAY". If He were not God, then He would never be "THE WAY". Jesus died, The Father did not die.
It is not hard to believe if you accept Jesus for who He is. If you will not accept Jesus for WHO HE is, then receive your judgement from God.
7xLightray
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What I am saying is that one is using a type of argument that he says is illogical for another to use.
The Trinity is far worse than you think.
praise_yeshua
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Your imagination is your idol?
7xLightray
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No that is not the way it happened, I did not start off debating the Trinity, but a type of argument one was using. And from the responses, we are now debating the Trinity.
Rockson
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I watched your video. Interesting. I hold and I still hold that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out at least this out.
1) we know evil exists
2) we know he's not going to allow it to continue indefinitely. Scripture is clear on that.
3) that brings one I believe rightly so to a conclusion that God has allowed a demonstration time, even though it sadden and grieved him to have to allow it in the bigger picture of things it was best.
4) Demon spirits even spoke about what only could be considered to be a demonstration time. "Will you torment us before the appointed time?" The recognized there was a duration of time allowed but that it was measured out as only a period.
Quite frankly I can't see why some can't simply understand this. The analogy doesn't hold exactly as the same but basically does. Parents will let their offspring mess up for a period of time but finally draw the line and step in.
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civic
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How do the 2 persons become one flesh ?
How does the Son have both the nature of man and God ?
Just because something is unique , one of a kind does not make it a mystery that cannot be known.
Rockson
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No but you shouldn't have a right to board this train of thought like the rest of us might.
Sure there are some things we can't always figure out. But nobody was asked to figure out how God can ORDAIN all actions and not be controlling of their will. God would never cross grain against a clear and directed thought. If God was meaning he was ordaining all things he would never add in that he wasn't controlling their will as the Westminster Confession would like to claim.
So once again do you or do you not accept by FAITH what God said in Jer 7:31 that he never commanded (or ordained) certain bad things and that he never even had in him mind to do so? What's the answer to that? And please once again don't talk about shrimp and pork.....merely diversions.
7xLightray
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This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
John 1:14; 6:51.
Jesus is a unique, one of a kind, only literal son of God, born man. Equal to God, but under submission, The Bible explains the Image of God even in Genesis.
civic
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And scripture refers to the Father as God, the Son as God and the Holy Spirit as God.
God is Unique and not a math equation.
7xLightray
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Someone started this thread >Your Views on The Trinity< if you wish to converse with me there.
But, I believe Jesus did exist in the form of God. And that I was created by the living word of God. I understand your doctrine (for it was mine at one time too), but you do not know my doctrine, which is not mine, nor did I receive it from man, but was received from heaven.
Cyrus
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All I can think of is what Jesus said to comfort us when we face the evils in this world.
According to John 16:33, Jesus said "In the world you have tribulation. But take courage; I have overcome the world". He did not promise that we would escape tribulation, but that we could overcome it as He did.
Also James 1:2-4 encourages us to count it all joy when we face trials, as it produces steadfastness.
And the best one, Philippians 4:6-7 advises us not to be anxious, but to make our requests known to God through prayer and thanksgiving.
We have to pray just to make it today. Good old MC hammer.
