An Article on free will

[Kermos]

Problem is though Kermos, Calvinists don't sing the sweet song of God's Sovereignty. What they sing is not in the right key and out of tune from scripture.

Calvinism is tone Deaf. They March to the beat of a different gospel. They're like clanging cymbal. They have a choice to be set free but they just won't take it.

We Christians hear the Christ's sweet song of God's Sovereignty because the gracious Benefactor of us Christians exclusively produces

1. divine choice of we beneficiaries unto salvation, for the Christ of us Christians says
   “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19)
   AND, Paul is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote to the Ephesians “Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly [places] in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him in love” (Ephesians 1:3-4)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 15:16 and John 15:19 state God exclusively chooses us believers by/of/through God
2. beneficiaries’ faith/belief in Lord Jesus, for the Christ of us Christians says (see also a word about belief/faith (Greek πίστις pistis) and believe (Greek πιστεύω pisteuó))
   “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29)
   AND Paul is in accord with Jesus’ words for Paul wrote to the Ephesians “by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His work” (Ephesians 2:8-10)
   AND Peter is in accord with Jesus’ words for Peter declared “God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith” (Acts 15:8-9)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 6:29 state for us believers to believe in Jesus whom the Father has sent is exclusively by/of/through God
3. beneficiaries’ fruit of the Spirit/righteous actions/good works, for the Christ of us Christians says
   “he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, so that his works may be manifested as having been wrought in God” (John 3:21)
   AND Paul is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote to the Philippians “being filled with the fruit of righteousness that [is] by Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God” (Philippians 1:11)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 3:21 state fruit in we believers is exclusively by/of/through God
4. beneficiaries’ birth by the Holy Spirit, for the Christ of us Christians says
   “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit” (John 3:5-8)
   AND Peter is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote to persons residing as aliens “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 3:5-8 state we believers being born again is exclusively by/of/through God
5. beneficiaries’ repent by God’s working, for the Christ of us Christians says
   “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes” (Matthew 11:25)
   AND the apostles and elders are in accord with Jesus’ words with thier saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life” (Acts 11:18)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in Matthew 11:25 state that God exclusively causes man to think differently after an encounter with God (repent means to think differently afterward)
6. beneficiaries’ love by God’s working, for the Christ of us Christians says
   “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another” (John 13:34)
   AND John is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote “Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God” (1 John 4:7, see the phrase “love is from God” meaning God is the source of true love)
   AND John expands with his writing of “God is Love, and the one who abides in Love abides in God, and God abides in him” (1 John 4:16, see the phrase “one who abides in Love” is equivocated with “one who abides” “in God” which extends from God’s exclusivity with “God is Love”)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 13:34 states that the love, true love (John 3:33), the very righteous love, the Godly love within us children of God, this love is exclusively by/of/through God

And here we have the Truth (John 14:6), the love of Christ controls us believers (2 Corinthians 5:14)!

Your hearts make false statements about God. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE WONDERFUL SOVEREIGN GOD WHO LOVINGLY REIGNS FOREVER!!!

 

[civic]

Sorry but you're overplayed in an extreme way the importance of your Calvinistic positions even if they were true (which they are not) The heart of Christianity IS NOT tulip! Most I believe even professional Calvinists who debate on the great stages reject your view too. The Heart of Christianity and the great song is the good news of what Jesus came and did by dying for our sins and being raised from the dead! If one believes that and receives that they shall be saved!

Ditto

 

[brightfame52]

@Rockson

The heart of Christianity IS NOT tulip!

Sorry but it is, those truths that acronym set forth are the foundation for the Doctrines or Gospel of Grace, no way around it.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You are so full of beans~speaking as nice as possible~but men like you push good men to their limits.

There none good. No not one. You don't believe your own theology. Or maybe you prefer Jesus "Why do you call me good. There is none good but God"?

Your own theology teaches that you're not a good man. So there is no need to pretend otherwise or use such arguments to promote yourself above another.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I do not know much about @Kermos, but what little I do know, he dead on this one truth.

It is amazing to me just how much is wrong with just the first few sentences your wrote to me.....

You DON'T know much... but you KNOW he is "dead on".....

How about choosing one or the other? Why the double mindedness?

 

[praise_yeshua]

You are so full of beans~speaking as nice as possible~but men like you push good men to their limits.

I do not know much about @Kermos, but what little I do know, he dead on this one truth, that regeneration must precede......spiritual/godly action/fruits, on the sinners part~To believe otherwise is to manufacture another gospel, which truly is not another gospel but one from the devil himself. Which gospel falls under the curse of Almighty God, per Paul from Galatians one, where he does not mince his words and neither shall we, by the help of The Author of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

I'm not here to defend a man, be that man be John Calvin, Martin Luther, Jonathan Edwards, or Kermos, or even my own self. True saints glory in the cross of Jesus Christ.

So a man is "regenerated" before hearing the Gospel?

The Gospel isn't complicated at all. It is easy to understand. Christ died for us. Happens quite often in society.

Police men. Fireman. Nobel men give their lives so others can live.

Tell me where I'm wrong.

 

[praise_yeshua]

The Word of God pronounces "he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, so that his works may be manifested as having been wrought in God" (John 3:21), so the Holy God declares that any good work of a Christian is in a manner of speaking, forged by God.

The English words in John 3:3 are an accurate representation of the Greek words in John 3:3, so it sounds to me like your heart eliminates the words in John 3:3.

Joh 3:21 But the one who practices the truth comes to the light, so that it may be plainly evident that his deeds have been done in God. NET.

If you're going to make such an argument, then really make the argument.

I can post over a dozen different English translations of John 3:21. At least post one of your own.

Lord Jesus Christ pronounces "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God." (John 3:3), so you cannot believe in King Jesus of the Kingdom of God whom you cannot perceive, and this is Lord Jesus Christ's message before he starts talking about entering the Kingdom of God.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE GOD OF GRACE!!!

You're a painter. Not a very good painter but you're a painter. You paint sinful things in your life. That come from you. Not God. God provides the canvas for you to paint sinful things.

Sovereignity is the canvas. The construct. The paint. The brush. The laws that govern realty allow you to do bad things.

None of this has anything to do with God approving what you paint. That is on you.

 

[Frank]

This verse seems to suggest that we do have free will, If not how could we diligently seek him?

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Hebrews 11:6

 

[brightfame52]

@praise_yeshua

So a man is "regenerated" before hearing the Gospel?

Yes if he is going to spiritually understand it, otherwise its foolishness to the natural man,or the unregenerate 1 Cor 2:4

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know[understand] them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[Kermos]

What does Matthew 15:9 mean?​

In response to criticism that He does not honor their manmade traditions, Jesus has boldly declared a group of scribes and Pharisees as hypocrites. This would not have been the reaction they expected when they came from Jerusalem to confront Jesus about the behavior of His disciples (Matthew 15:4–8).

Jesus is quoting a passage they likely know quite well: Isaiah 29:13. It contains words the Lord said to Isaiah about the Israelites of that generation. This exchange with Jesus reveals that the words of Isaiah's prophecy apply to Israel's current religious leaders, as well. The hearts of the Israelites in Isaiah's day were far from God, despite honoring the Lord with their words.

Now Jesus completes the quote by declaring that their worship of God is useless: it is ineffective and pointless. This is because they are teaching their own preferences, their traditions, as if they were the doctrines given by God.

This accusation from Jesus is impossible to dodge: the last part of the quote from Isaiah is exactly why Pharisees had come. They were attacking Jesus and His followers for ignoring their traditional, manmade, ritual version of handwashing before meals. This was never commanded by God in Scripture. It was one of the "commandments of men," and Jesus treated it that way, revealing the Pharisees' hypocrisy.
BibleRef.

It has nothing to do with making a free will decision to follow Jesus and accept him as lord and savior. Calvinism on the other hand it's just like the Pharisees With their man-made traditions.

"In vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men" (the Word of God, Matthew 15:9), and the free-will doctrine is one of the "doctrines".

Let's look at your free-will, which is truly self-will, according to the Apostle Peter "the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority, daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties" (2 Peter 2:9-10).

The Free-willian Philosopher's "I chose to believe in Jesus" truly reviles the angelic majesty of King Jesus of the Kingdom of God who says “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19) and "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29).

No Word of God states man was imparted a free-will to choose toward God, but right above is the Word of God which clearly states man does not choose God to any degree!

Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE JESUS MY SAVIOR!!!

 

[Kermos]

Sorry but you're overplayed in an extreme way the importance of your Calvinistic positions even if they were true (which they are not) The heart of Christianity IS NOT tulip! Most I believe even professional Calvinists who debate on the great stages reject your view too. The Heart of Christianity and the great song is the good news of what Jesus came and did by dying for our sins and being raised from the dead! If one believes that and receives that they shall be saved!

which ultimately arrives at a right understanding of the scripture you're quoting.

Sorry Kermos but the quotation you make what you call the Free-Willian is just a disengeious way you're twisting the words of others.

And even if this were true which it isn't why are you mad at me or to others for? You believe everybody is ordained to do what they're doing anyway right? Shouldn't you be saying with a heart of love and mercy, "There but for the grace of God go I?" No offence but I don't think you're seeing things clearly and I trust and hope that someday you'll come out of your mental fog for that's what I believe that you're in.

We Christians sing Christ's Sovereignty of God song that God is so very Holy that we cannot approach this Loving King Jesus without being summoned and chosen by His Holiness; in contrast, the daringly self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) Free-willian Philosophers sing the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9) sour song about man choosing His Holiness:

The traditions of men		The Word of God
I chose Jesus, but Jesus didn't choose me (self-willed man's sayings 15:16)		you did not choose Me, but I chose you (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16)
I chose Jesus so now Jesus must obey me to make me out of the world (self-willed man's sayings 15:19)		I chose you out of the world (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19)
This is not the work of God but this is the work of man, that you believe in Him whom He has sent (The Book of Free-willians 6:29)		This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent (Lord Jesus Christ, John 6:29)
I chose to practice the Truth coming to the Light so that my works may be manifested as having been wrought in me (self-willed man's sayings 3:21)		he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, so that his works may be manifested as having been wrought in God (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:21)
Truly, truly, I say to you, before one is born again he can see the Kingdom of God[ (The Book of Free-willians 3:3)		Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3)
I praise myself, that I have revealed these things to myself for I am the wise and intelligent One who causes myself to repent (self-willed man's sayings 11:25)		I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 11:25)
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even according to your fleshly love, that you also love one another (The Book of Free-willians 13:34)		A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another (Lord Jesus Christ, John 13:34)

We Christians sing the sweet song of the power of God to the glory of God! The Word of God is beautiful - to God be all honor and glory and power and dominion forever and ever! Praise be to the Christ of us Christians.

You free-willians sing the sour song of the power of man to the glory of man!

I've not mentioned the song that you sing until after you twice attacked the loving sweet song of Christ's Sovereignty of God.

You wrote "If one believes that and receives that they shall be saved", and, as a part of "that", to be saved from the wrath of God, one must believe that God is who the Word of God reveals, so let's see that which the Word of God declares in relation to His sayings above.

Christ says "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life" (John 6:63) as well as "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day" (John 12:48).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE CHRIST FOREVER!!!

 

[TomL]

The wonderful Word of God is "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God." (John 3:3).

This message is also to @civic and @synergy because of your agreeing "Like" of Rockson's post. To you Free-willian Philosophers.

You wrote "You however are trying to take cannot see and give it a definition outside of the context. It DID NOT say one can't grasp a concept Jesus was seeking to get across" and you wrote "The Greek word for see means equally to experience.".

Your heart's elimination of the "perceive" concept in exchange for the concept of "experience" for the Greek word ἰδεῖν (Strong's 3708 - ὁράω (horaó) - to see, perceive, attend to) is false.

No actually it is your denial which is false

You ignore both context near and far

John 3:5 (KJV 1900) — 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

To SEE the kingdom of God is of the same meaning as to ENTER INTO the kingdom of God, as we shall immediately perceive from the context


John Calvin and William Pringle, Commentary on the Gospel according to John (vol. 1; Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2010), 108.



Also other verses using the word see

Luke 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 8:51Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

The lexicons you ignore as well

5. see someth.=experience someth. (Ps 26:13); good days 1 Pt 3:10 (Ps 33:13; τ. βασιλείαν J 3:3. θάνατον see death=die Lk 2:26; Hb 11:5 (cf. Ps 88:49; Anth. Pal. 6, 230 ἰδεῖν Ἀίδην); grief Rv 18:7 (cf. 1 Macc 13:3 τὰς στενοχωρίας; Eccl 6:6 ἀγαθωσύνην). τὴν διαφθοράν experience decay=decay Ac 2:27, 31; 13:35-7 (all Ps 15:10); τ. ἡμέραν (Soph., Oed. R. 831; Aristoph., Pax 345; Polyb. 10, 4, 7; 32, 10, 9; Ael. Aristid. 32 p. 601 D.; Lam 2:16; Jos., Ant. 6, 305): τὴν ἡμέραν τ. ἐμήν J 8:56; μίαν τῶν ἡμερῶν Lk 17:22

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 221.


4. to experience ⇔ see — to experience something, conceived of as being present during the experience so as to view it

Rick Brannan, ed., Lexham Research Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Lexham Research Lexicons; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020).


It is clear an honest handling of this word shows it pertains to experience, to enter, to obtain

even Calvinist scholars disagree with you

cannot see—can have no part in (just as one is said to “see life,” “see death,” &c.).
Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset, and David Brown, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (vol. 2; Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997), 131.

And this Calvinist Greek Scholar
He cannot see the kingdom of God (οὐ δυναται ἰδειν την βασιλειαν του θεου [ou dunatai idein tēn basileian tou theou]). To participate in it as in Luke 9:27. For this use of ἰδειν [idein] (second aorist active infinitive of ὁραω [horaō]) see John 8:51; Rev. 18:7.
A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament (Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1933), Jn 3:3.

And Calvin himself

To SEE the kingdom of God is of the same meaning as to ENTER INTO the kingdom of God, as we shall immediately perceive from the context
John Calvin and William Pringle, Commentary on the Gospel according to John (vol. 1; Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2010), 108.

 

[Kermos]

which ultimately arrives at a right understanding of the scripture you're quoting.

Sorry Kermos but the quotation you make what you call the Free-Willian is just a disengeious way you're twisting the words of others.

And even if this were true which it isn't why are you mad at me or to others for? You believe everybody is ordained to do what they're doing anyway right? Shouldn't you be saying with a heart of love and mercy, "There but for the grace of God go I?" No offence but I don't think you're seeing things clearly and I trust and hope that someday you'll come out of your mental fog for that's what I believe that you're in.

Your definition of "experience" for the word "see" invalidates the true definition of "see" which is "perceive", and this post explores the language and definitions of the word see"see", and this exploration includes an examination of your very own applications of the word "see".

In your writings here, you use "seeing" to indicate "perceiving" in a manner similar to your previous use of "sight" to indicate "perceive" (proof post #2,719), and neither of your usages, then nor now, indicate "experience", but both of your usages indicate "perceive". Let's explore the definition of the Greek word ἰδεῖν (Strong's 3708 - ὁράω (horaó) - to see, perceive, attend to) in Truth (John 14:6).

Your thoughts are that Jesus uses "see" to indicate "experience" instead of "perceive" because you found "experience" in the 3rd level definition on BibleHub.com for the Greek word ἰδεῖν (Strong's 3708 - ὁράω (horaó) - to see, perceive, attend to) specifically assigned to John 3:36 and Luke 17:22 with no mention of John 3:3 in the 3rd level definition, yet even John 3:36 and Luke 17:22 are fundamentally "perceive" over just "experience".

The Greek word ἰδεῖν (Strong's 3708 - ὁράω (horaó) - to see, perceive, attend to) denotes visual perception (BibleHub.com's 1st level definition), and the Greek word ἰδεῖν (Strong's 3708 - ὁράω (horaó) - to see, perceive, attend to) connotes mental perception (BibleHub.com's 2nd level definition), yet the Greek word ἰδεῖν (Strong's 3708 - ὁράω (horaó) - to see, perceive, attend to) fails to mean experience by perceiving in all situations because a person can experience an event without perceiving the event which renders invalid your application of experience by perceiving prioritizing BibleHub.com's 3rd level definition, and the reciprocal is equally invalid in that one person can perceive a second person yet the first person experiences to perceive not the second person thus confirming your illegal linguistics based upon BibleHub.com's 3rd level definition; therefore, both denotation and connotation for the Greek word ἰδεῖν (Strong's 3708 - ὁράω (horaó) - to see, perceive, attend to) must by definition include "perception" as an isolated concept.

In the Word of God, the word "SEEING" specifically corresponds to "PERCEIVE" as is found in "In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says, ‘YOU WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND; YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING, BUT WILL NOT PERCEIVE'" (Matthew 13:14), and the Hebrew of Isaiah 6:9 proves this absolute "SEEING" with purely "PERCEIVE" relationship wherein a certain person sees the Word of God yet fails to righteously perceive the Word of God because such a one cannot know that which he or she fails perceive in the righteous Holy Spirit of God, and the Word of God is "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God." (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3).

You wrote "I don't think you're seeing things clearly" in which you use "seeing" to fundamentally indicate "perceiving" against me, and you deny Jesus uses "see" to fundamentally indicate "perceive", so you believe in the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9) shown in the below left hand wrong side instead of the pure and Holy Word of God in the below right hand right side:

The traditions of men		The Word of God
Truly, truly, I say to you, before one is born again he can see the Kingdom of God (The Book of Free-willians 3:3)		Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God. (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3)

Your hypocrisy about the word "see" is there for all to SEE.

By the way, your writing there offensively bears false witness against the Word of God and me.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE REDEEMER!!!

 

[Red Baker]

John 3:5 (KJV 1900) — 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

To SEE the kingdom of God is of the same meaning as to ENTER INTO the kingdom of God, as we shall immediately perceive from the context

I agreed~Yet, you and others are missing the truth of why Jesus said what he said.

John 3:5 ~"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

The Lord is clearly stated a man must be born again before he/she can see/enter/experience the blessings of being part of the kingdom of God.

Nicodemus' child like confession proved that he was already born of the Spirit of God, or, else he would had been just like the other leaders of the Pharisees who said that jesus did what he did under the power of the prince of the devils!

This is the only reason we have John 3:1-8 recorded for us in God's word, to reveal this great truth, hidden from the majority of professors, even though some of them may very well be God's children, yet understanding comes very slowly to most just as it did to Nicodemus.

Until one is born of the Spirit of the Living God, that person cannot see, and will never see, unless he is quickened to life by the very power that brought again the Lord Jesus from the dead. Ephesians 1!

The new birth, or being made a new creature/man, give that person power to see, hear, and to believe, but not until this birth takes place. Selah.

 

[TomL]

I agreed~Yet, you and others are missing the truth of why Jesus said what he said.

So you say. Point being however you have agrred in contradition to kermos

The Lord is clearly stated a man must be born again before he/she can see/enter/experience the blessings of being part of the kingdom of God.

and?

did you imagine this contrary to someone's doctrine

Nicodemus' child like confession proved that he was already born of the Spirit of God, or, else he would had been just like the other leaders of the Pharisees who said that jesus did what he did under the power of the prince of the devils!

That would be an assumption

This is the only reason we have John 3:1-8 recorded for us in God's word, to reveal this great truth, hidden from the majority of professors, even though some of them may very well be God's children, yet understanding comes very slowly to most just as it did to Nicodemus.

Until one is born of the Spirit of the Living God, that person cannot see, and will never see, unless he is quickened to life by the very power that brought again the Lord Jesus from the dead. Ephesians 1!

The new birth, or being made a new creature/man, give that person power to see, hear, and to believe, but not until this birth takes place. Selah.

How according to Jesus

John 3:14–15 (NASB 2020) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes will have eternal life in Him.

John 1:12 (NASB 2020) — 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name,

upon which God would regenerate and cause one to be born again

 

[Kermos]

No actually it is your denial which is false

You ignore both context near and far

John 3:5 (KJV 1900) — 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

To SEE the kingdom of God is of the same meaning as to ENTER INTO the kingdom of God, as we shall immediately perceive from the context


John Calvin and William Pringle, Commentary on the Gospel according to John (vol. 1; Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2010), 108.



Also other verses using the word see

Luke 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 8:51Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

The lexicons you ignore as well

5. see someth.=experience someth. (Ps 26:13); good days 1 Pt 3:10 (Ps 33:13; τ. βασιλείαν J 3:3. θάνατον see death=die Lk 2:26; Hb 11:5 (cf. Ps 88:49; Anth. Pal. 6, 230 ἰδεῖν Ἀίδην); grief Rv 18:7 (cf. 1 Macc 13:3 τὰς στενοχωρίας; Eccl 6:6 ἀγαθωσύνην). τὴν διαφθοράν experience decay=decay Ac 2:27, 31; 13:35-7 (all Ps 15:10); τ. ἡμέραν (Soph., Oed. R. 831; Aristoph., Pax 345; Polyb. 10, 4, 7; 32, 10, 9; Ael. Aristid. 32 p. 601 D.; Lam 2:16; Jos., Ant. 6, 305): τὴν ἡμέραν τ. ἐμήν J 8:56; μίαν τῶν ἡμερῶν Lk 17:22

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 221.


4. to experience ⇔ see — to experience something, conceived of as being present during the experience so as to view it

Rick Brannan, ed., Lexham Research Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Lexham Research Lexicons; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020).


It is clear an honest handling of this word shows it pertains to experience, to enter, to obtain

even Calvinist scholars disagree with you

cannot see—can have no part in (just as one is said to “see life,” “see death,” &c.).
Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset, and David Brown, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (vol. 2; Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997), 131.

And this Calvinist Greek Scholar
He cannot see the kingdom of God (οὐ δυναται ἰδειν την βασιλειαν του θεου [ou dunatai idein tēn basileian tou theou]). To participate in it as in Luke 9:27. For this use of ἰδειν [idein] (second aorist active infinitive of ὁραω [horaō]) see John 8:51; Rev. 18:7.
A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament (Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1933), Jn 3:3.

And Calvin himself

To SEE the kingdom of God is of the same meaning as to ENTER INTO the kingdom of God, as we shall immediately perceive from the context
John Calvin and William Pringle, Commentary on the Gospel according to John (vol. 1; Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2010), 108.

First, Lord Jesus declares a man cannot perceive the Kingdom of God unless the man is born of God with "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

Second, Lord Jesus declares a man cannot partake the Kingdom of God unless the man is born of God with "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God" (John 3:5).

The Word of God pronounces the individual concept of see (perceive) the Kingdom of God (John 3:3), and the Word of God pronounces the individual concept of enter (partake) the Kingdom of God (John 3:5), but the Word of God doesn't stop there.

Third, Lord Jesus declares a man born of the flesh cannot see (perceive) and cannot enter (partake) the Kingdom of God without first being born of God with "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit" (John 3:6).

Since you love to quote your god Calvin so very much, then you are a Calvinist. We shall see you preaching your god Calvin's word, below.

See way back in post #2,092 where you are recorded quoting your god Calvin as your "truth" to purportedly prove your sovereignty of man over and above the Sovereignty of God.

Look again in another post #2,121 where you are recorded intensifying your exaltation of man by using your god Calvin as a proof text that man chooses to believe in Christ, and your wholehearted agreement with your god Calvin in direct disobedience to Christ's sayings!

Now, behold, TomL and @civic (because of your embracing agreement with TomL's post), you are recorded preaching your god Calvin yet again demonstrating your devotion to Calvinism.

Through your god Calvin, you declare "To SEE the kingdom of God is of the same meaning as to ENTER INTO the kingdom of God, as we shall immediately perceive from the context" respecting "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God." (Lord ans Gos Jesus Christ, John 3:3) as your own heart's treasure (Matthew 15:16-19).

In the Word of God, the word "SEEING" specifically corresponds to "PERCEIVE" as is found in "In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says, ‘YOU WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND; YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING, BUT WILL NOT PERCEIVE'" (Matthew 13:14), and the Hebrew of Isaiah 6:9 proves this absolute "SEEING" with purely "PERCEIVE" relationship wherein a certain person sees the Word of God yet fails to righteously perceive the Word of God because such a one cannot know that which he or she fails perceive in the righteous Holy Spirit of God, and the Word of God is "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God." (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3).

The Greek word ἰδεῖν (Strong's 3708 - ὁράω (horaó) - to see, perceive, attend to) in John 3:3 denotes visual perception, and the Greek word ἰδεῖν (Strong's 3708 - ὁράω (horaó) - to see, perceive, attend to) connotes mental perception, yet "enter into" fails to define the Greek word ἰδεῖν (Strong's 3708 - ὁράω (horaó) - to see, perceive, attend to), so your thoughts are anti-truth.

You believe in the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9) shown in the below left hand wrong side instead of the pure and Holy Word of God in the below right hand Righteous side:

The traditions of men		The Word of God
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot enter the Kingdom of God (TomL 3:3)		Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God. (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3)

In Truth (John 14:6), Lord Jesus delays discussion of enter until later in His dialog with Nicodemus (see John 3:5-8) as a different condition than see, so the Word of God focuses on a man's inability to perceive King Jesus of the Kingdom of God unless the man is born of God (see John 3:3).

Your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) duplication and unauthorized replacement of the word "enter" from John 3:5 into John 3:3 is because your god Calvin has you "climb up some other way" (John 10:1) instead of being one on "the Way" who "comes to the Father" "because of" Jesus (John 14:6).

As a result of your Calvinism, you adulterate the Word of God into your Book of Free-willians:

The Book of Free-willians		The Word of God
That which is born of the flesh profits the flesh unto being born of the Spirit (TomL 3:6)		That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit (John 3:6)

See, the King of Glory contrasts flesh from the Spirit as recorded in John 3:6 because Christ says "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life" (John 6:63).

You, TomL and @civic and other free-willians in the flesh, cannot know the true and pure and righteous Lord and King Jesus Christ unless you are first born of God (John 3:3-8) because this Blessed Righteousness says "the flesh profits nothing" (John 6:63).

Let’s take a moment to look at your Calvinistic thoughts regarding John 6:29 as per post #2,121 where you preached "People who infer from this passage that faith is God’s gift are mistaken, for Christ does not show here what God produces in us, but what God wants and requires from us" (the word of Calvinist TomL).

Your adulteration of Holy Word of God is evident in your quotations augmented with your heart's thoughts in your posts:

The word of TomL		The Word of God
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is not the work of God but this is the work of man, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.” (TomL 6:29)		Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.” (John 6:29)

And so go your adulterations of the Holy Word of God again and again and again.

As for your heart's treasure of the word "experience" substituting as a synonym for Christ's "see" in John 3:3, please see this post #2,813 to @Rockson.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH!!!

 

[TomL]

First, Lord Jesus declares a man cannot perceive the Kingdom of God unless the man is born of God with "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

Second, Lord Jesus declares a man cannot partake the Kingdom of God unless the man is born of God with "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God" (John 3:5).

Thus equating see and entering (experiencing) according to the evidence presented

The Word of God pronounces the individual concept of see (perceive) the Kingdom of God (John 3:3), and the Word of God pronounces the individual concept of enter (partake) the Kingdom of God (John 3:5), but the Word of God doesn't stop there.

Its the same thing according to the evidence presented

you ignore both context near and far

John 3:5 (KJV 1900) — 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

To SEE the kingdom of God is of the same meaning as to ENTER INTO the kingdom of God, as we shall immediately perceive from the context


John Calvin and William Pringle, Commentary on the Gospel according to John (vol. 1; Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2010), 108.



Also other verses using the word see

Luke 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 8:51Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

see here cleaerly means to experience

The lexicons you ignore as well

5. see someth.=experience someth. (Ps 26:13); good days 1 Pt 3:10 (Ps 33:13; τ. βασιλείαν J 3:3. θάνατον see death=die Lk 2:26; Hb 11:5 (cf. Ps 88:49; Anth. Pal. 6, 230 ἰδεῖν Ἀίδην); grief Rv 18:7 (cf. 1 Macc 13:3 τὰς στενοχωρίας; Eccl 6:6 ἀγαθωσύνην). τὴν διαφθοράν experience decay=decay Ac 2:27, 31; 13:35-7 (all Ps 15:10); τ. ἡμέραν (Soph., Oed. R. 831; Aristoph., Pax 345; Polyb. 10, 4, 7; 32, 10, 9; Ael. Aristid. 32 p. 601 D.; Lam 2:16; Jos., Ant. 6, 305): τὴν ἡμέραν τ. ἐμήν J 8:56; μίαν τῶν ἡμερῶν Lk 17:22

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 221.


4. to experience ⇔ see — to experience something, conceived of as being present during the experience so as to view it

Rick Brannan, ed., Lexham Research Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Lexham Research Lexicons; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020).


It is clear an honest handling of this word shows it pertains to experience, to enter, to obtain

even Calvinist scholars disagree with you (you ignore these as well)

cannot see—can have no part in (just as one is said to “see life,” “see death,” &c.).
Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset, and David Brown, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (vol. 2; Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997), 131.

And this Calvinist Greek Scholar
He cannot see the kingdom of God (οὐ δυναται ἰδειν την βασιλειαν του θεου [ou dunatai idein tēn basileian tou theou]). To participate in it as in Luke 9:27. For this use of ἰδειν [idein] (second aorist active infinitive of ὁραω [horaō]) see John 8:51; Rev. 18:7.
A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament (Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1933), Jn 3:3.

And Calvin himself

To SEE the kingdom of God is of the same meaning as to ENTER INTO the kingdom of God, as we shall immediately perceive from the context
John Calvin and William Pringle, Commentary on the Gospel according to John (vol. 1; Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2010), 108.

Third, Lord Jesus declares a man born of the flesh cannot see (perceive) and cannot enter (partake) the Kingdom of God without first being born of God with "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit" (John 3:6).

Since you love to quote your god Calvin so very much, then you are a Calvinist. We shall see you preaching your god Calvin's word, below.

This nothing but ignorance and ignores the fact I quoted context, lexicons and multiple commentary sources which you simply ignore to p;ost your own unsupprted opinion

BYW even your peer Red Baker disagrees with you

 

[Kermos]

Thus equating see and entering (experiencing) according to the evidence presented







Its the same thing according to the evidence presented

you ignore both context near and far

John 3:5 (KJV 1900) — 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

To SEE the kingdom of God is of the same meaning as to ENTER INTO the kingdom of God, as we shall immediately perceive from the context


John Calvin and William Pringle, Commentary on the Gospel according to John (vol. 1; Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2010), 108.



Also other verses using the word see

Luke 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 8:51Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

see here cleaerly means to experience

The lexicons you ignore as well

5. see someth.=experience someth. (Ps 26:13); good days 1 Pt 3:10 (Ps 33:13; τ. βασιλείαν J 3:3. θάνατον see death=die Lk 2:26; Hb 11:5 (cf. Ps 88:49; Anth. Pal. 6, 230 ἰδεῖν Ἀίδην); grief Rv 18:7 (cf. 1 Macc 13:3 τὰς στενοχωρίας; Eccl 6:6 ἀγαθωσύνην). τὴν διαφθοράν experience decay=decay Ac 2:27, 31; 13:35-7 (all Ps 15:10); τ. ἡμέραν (Soph., Oed. R. 831; Aristoph., Pax 345; Polyb. 10, 4, 7; 32, 10, 9; Ael. Aristid. 32 p. 601 D.; Lam 2:16; Jos., Ant. 6, 305): τὴν ἡμέραν τ. ἐμήν J 8:56; μίαν τῶν ἡμερῶν Lk 17:22

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 221.


4. to experience ⇔ see — to experience something, conceived of as being present during the experience so as to view it

Rick Brannan, ed., Lexham Research Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Lexham Research Lexicons; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020).


It is clear an honest handling of this word shows it pertains to experience, to enter, to obtain

even Calvinist scholars disagree with you (you ignore these as well)

cannot see—can have no part in (just as one is said to “see life,” “see death,” &c.).
Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset, and David Brown, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (vol. 2; Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997), 131.

And this Calvinist Greek Scholar
He cannot see the kingdom of God (οὐ δυναται ἰδειν την βασιλειαν του θεου [ou dunatai idein tēn basileian tou theou]). To participate in it as in Luke 9:27. For this use of ἰδειν [idein] (second aorist active infinitive of ὁραω [horaō]) see John 8:51; Rev. 18:7.
A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament (Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1933), Jn 3:3.

And Calvin himself

To SEE the kingdom of God is of the same meaning as to ENTER INTO the kingdom of God, as we shall immediately perceive from the context
John Calvin and William Pringle, Commentary on the Gospel according to John (vol. 1; Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2010), 108.





This nothing but ignorance and ignores the fact I quoted context, lexicons and multiple commentary sources which you simply ignore to p;ost your own unsupprted opinion

BYW even your peer Red Baker disagrees with you

False teaching by TomL again.

First, Lord Jesus declares a man cannot perceive the Kingdom of God unless the man is born of God with "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

Second, Lord Jesus declares a man cannot partake the Kingdom of God unless the man is born of God with "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God" (John 3:5).

The Word of God pronounces the individual concept of see (perceive) the Kingdom of God (John 3:3), and the Word of God pronounces the individual concept of enter (partake) the Kingdom of God (John 3:5), but the Word of God doesn't stop there.

Third, Lord Jesus declares a man born of the flesh cannot see (perceive) and cannot enter (partake) the Kingdom of God without first being born of God with "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit" (John 3:6).

Since you love to quote your god Calvin so very much, then you are a Calvinist. We shall see you preaching your god Calvin's word, below.

See way back in post #2,092 where you are recorded quoting your god Calvin as your "truth" to purportedly prove your sovereignty of man over and above the Sovereignty of God.

Look again in another post #2,121 where you are recorded intensifying your exaltation of man by using your god Calvin as a proof text that man chooses to believe in Christ, and your wholehearted agreement with your god Calvin in direct disobedience to Christ's sayings!

Now, behold, TomL and @civic (because of your embracing agreement with TomL's post), you are recorded preaching your god Calvin yet again demonstrating your devotion to Calvinism.

Through your god Calvin, you declare "To SEE the kingdom of God is of the same meaning as to ENTER INTO the kingdom of God, as we shall immediately perceive from the context" respecting "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God." (Lord ans Gos Jesus Christ, John 3:3) as your own heart's treasure (Matthew 15:16-19).

In the Word of God, the word "SEEING" specifically corresponds to "PERCEIVE" as is found in "In their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled, which says, ‘YOU WILL KEEP ON HEARING, BUT WILL NOT UNDERSTAND; YOU WILL KEEP ON SEEING, BUT WILL NOT PERCEIVE'" (Matthew 13:14), and the Hebrew of Isaiah 6:9 proves this absolute "SEEING" with purely "PERCEIVE" relationship wherein a certain person sees the Word of God yet fails to righteously perceive the Word of God because such a one cannot know that which he or she fails perceive in the righteous Holy Spirit of God, and the Word of God is "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God." (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3).

The Greek word ἰδεῖν (Strong's 3708 - ὁράω (horaó) - to see, perceive, attend to) in John 3:3 denotes visual perception, and the Greek word ἰδεῖν (Strong's 3708 - ὁράω (horaó) - to see, perceive, attend to) connotes mental perception, yet "enter into" fails to define the Greek word ἰδεῖν (Strong's 3708 - ὁράω (horaó) - to see, perceive, attend to), so your thoughts are anti-truth.

You believe in the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9) shown in the below left hand wrong side instead of the pure and Holy Word of God in the below right hand Righteous side:

The traditions of men		The Word of God
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot enter the Kingdom of God (TomL 3:3)		Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God. (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3)

In Truth (John 14:6), Lord Jesus delays discussion of enter until later in His dialog with Nicodemus (see John 3:5-8) as a different condition than see, so the Word of God focuses on a man's inability to perceive King Jesus of the Kingdom of God unless the man is born of God (see John 3:3).

Your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) duplication and unauthorized replacement of the word "enter" from John 3:5 into John 3:3 is because your god Calvin has you "climb up some other way" (John 10:1) instead of being one on "the Way" who "comes to the Father" "because of" Jesus (John 14:6).

As a result of your Calvinism, you adulterate the Word of God into your Book of Free-willians:

The Book of Free-willians		The Word of God
That which is born of the flesh profits the flesh unto being born of the Spirit (TomL 3:6)		That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit (John 3:6)

See, the King of Glory contrasts flesh from the Spirit as recorded in John 3:6 because Christ says "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life" (John 6:63).

You, TomL and @civic and other free-willians in the flesh, cannot know the true and pure and righteous Lord and King Jesus Christ unless you are first born of God (John 3:3-8) because this Blessed Righteousness says "the flesh profits nothing" (John 6:63).

Let’s take a moment to look at your Calvinistic thoughts regarding John 6:29 as per post #2,121 where you preached "People who infer from this passage that faith is God’s gift are mistaken, for Christ does not show here what God produces in us, but what God wants and requires from us" (the word of Calvinist TomL).

Your adulteration of Holy Word of God is evident in your quotations augmented with your heart's thoughts in your posts:

The word of TomL		The Word of God
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is not the work of God but this is the work of man, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.” (TomL 6:29)		Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.” (John 6:29)

And so go your adulterations of the Holy Word of God again and again and again.

As for your heart's treasure of the word "experience" substituting as a synonym for Christ's "see" in John 3:3, please see this post #2,813 to @Rockson.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH!!!

 

[Rockson]

Nicodemus' child like confession proved that he was already born of the Spirit of God,

How in the world you can say that from anything in Jn 3 staggers the mind. He didn't know what born again was. Jn 3:4. Jesus told him in Jn 3: 7 he needed to be born again. Jesus told him in vs 11 he was not receiving his witness. So how can you possibly take from that he was already born of he Spirit of God??????

To conclude that would be to say that the language of the scripture means NOTHING just accept a Calvinistic attempt to make a weird assertion.

 

[Rockson]

You, TomL and @civic and other free-willians in the flesh, cannot know the true and pure and righteous Lord and King Jesus Christ unless you are first born of God (John 3:3-8)

So again another Calvinist which claims one isn't saved unless they hold to Calvinism. I think those who are professional Calvinists who debate on the great stages would tell you please stop debating....you're not helping the cause for what you're saying isn't true.