I was not using it as a defense, because I need none. Actually I was jesting a little, to get Rockson's attention, and to make my words softer for him to consider. Nothing more.Learning cannot make you crazy. Mental illness is a chemical imbalance in your brain. You can become emotionally imbalanced by how you react to things that happen in your life. But to be diagnosed as crazy means that you don't know right from wrong. So RB You can't use an insanity defense.
That would be appreciated.Here's one of the promise post that I promised to do. I'm going to cut it down somewhat from my last post on these scriptures for sake of time.
No need to enlarge that as you did for WE ALL agree with that. Except a man is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. You however are trying to take cannot see and give it a definition outside of the context. It DID NOT say one can't grasp a concept Jesus was seeking to get across that you can't understand there's a Kingdom you enter into by believing.
You may be driving something RB but is it the true context. I'd respectfully suggest not.(CONTEXT WILL DRIVE THE TRUE MEANING OF WHAT IS BEING SAID)
The only problem, is at my age, I forget all the different promises made, ~ I also started on a subject dealing with eschatology with Ken, that I need to get back to, very soon. Eschatology is one of my favorite subjects, so I really need to make my way there sooner than later.That would be appreciated.
Rockson, yes it needs to be enlarge upon ~ actually I did not do justice to those eight scriptures due to time, plus making longer posts do not serve much for one advantage for neither writer, nor the reader, since most do not take time to carefully read what long post are attempting to say. I will take time, and I'm sure you and others do as well, but most do not. PLEASE CONSIDER MY NEXT POINT.No need to enlarge that as you did for WE ALL agree with that. Except a man is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Rockson, the context is what is delivering this interpretation for us to see! Listen once more, very carefully:You however are trying to take cannot see and give it a definition outside of the context.
John 3:2,3~"The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
If I had a sports arena and provided tickets to games because one can't enter (that kingdom-the arena) doesn't mean those who don't can't understand the concept.
Armenians keep rejecting that men are just what the scriptures said concerning them~they are at enmity against God, not just an enemy, which is bad enough, but they are at WAR against the God of heaven......... we see this every day on display, on TV, in our schools from preschool to Universities, etc. in every area of our life men are seen to be at enmity against the God of heaven.Calvinists keep doing with this..
I can very much appreciate that~the Greek is not needed, ever! What is needed is for God to open one's understanding to the truth.The Greek word (and I'm not a fan of always rolling out Greek words) BUT the Greek word for see means equally to experience. That says nothing about not comprehending the concept.
Here we go again with the Calvinist idea that one can be Regenerated (alive) but not yet a believer (still dead in sins). That's Calvinism's Living Dead state.Rockson, let me make this very clear......the only purpose we have John 3:1-8 in the holy scriptures is for us to understand that regeneration, the impartation of spiritual life, or, the creation of a new man within God's elect ~ must precede faith and any other spiritual acts such as seeing, hearing, fruits of the Spirit, etc.
You are mocking truth, not Calvinism~if you think what is written is false, then prove it, which you cannot do.Here we go again with the Calvinist idea that one can be Regenerated (alive) but not yet a believer (still dead in sins). That's Calvinism's Living Dead state.
Every Calvinist Congregation at night could be deemed the Night of the Living Dead.
Here we go again with the Calvinist idea that one can be Regenerated (alive) but not yet a believer (still dead in sins).
I do not think you want to debate me on this point, but if you do, then I'm ready and prepared to do so. I'm pretty sure you are all talk, at least it seems to be the case so far, from what I have read from your posts.John 20:3-9~"Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre. So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre. And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in. Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie, And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself. Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed. For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead."
First of all, I am not civic although I agree with much of what he writes. If regeneration precedes belief then you believe that a regenerated (alive) but unbelieving (dead in sins) state can exist - however brief or long in time. In other words, you are then a living dead person. That Calvinist belief always reminds me of the Night of the Living Dead movies.
Second of all, you continue to exhibit very poor grammar comprehension. If water = Spirit then John 3:5 becomes unless one is born ofwaterSpirit and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God according to the Gospel of Kermos. Very poor grammar comprehension on your part.
(John 3:5) Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
No need to enlarge that as you did for WE ALL agree with that. Except a man is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. You however are trying to take cannot see and give it a definition outside of the context. It DID NOT say one can't grasp a concept Jesus was seeking to get across that you can't understand there's a Kingdom you enter into by believing.
If I had a sports arena and provided tickets to games because one can't enter (that kingdom-the arena) doesn't mean those who don't can't understand the concept. That's what you and other Calvinists keep doing with this.....you keep trying to make it seem one can't fathom or comprehend Jesus words about the Kingdom. The Greek word (and I'm not a fan of always rolling out Greek words) BUT the Greek word for see means equally to experience. That says nothing about not comprehending the concept.
You may be driving something RB but is it the true context. I'd respectfully suggest not.
The traditions of men | The Love of God | |
Truly, truly, I say to you, before one is born again he can see the Kingdom of God (The Book of Free-willians 3:3) | Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God. (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3) |
I never said the Greek word "horao" doesn't mean perceive. I said it can also mean to perceive by experience. (see below)You wrote "You however are trying to take cannot see and give it a definition outside of the context. It DID NOT say one can't grasp a concept Jesus was seeking to get across" and you wrote "The Greek word for see means equally to experience.".
Your heart's elimination of the "perceive" concept in exchange for the concept of "experience" for the Greek word ἰδεῖν (Strong's 3708 - ὁράω (horaó) - to see, perceive, attend to) is false.
Or did I rather CLEARLY show you that the Greek word "see" also allows for the word experience. See the above.Clearly, your hearts twist Jesus' sayings
Or is it rather that you're denying what the Greek word says as a potential of choices one can make when it comes to that word "see" HORAO.by slaughtering the Word of God
I never said the Greek word "horao" doesn't mean perceive. I said it can also mean to perceive by experience. (see below)
Strong's Concordance
horaó: to see, perceive, attend to
Original Word: ὁράω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: horaó
Phonetic Spelling: (hor-ah'-o)
Definition: to see, perceive, attend to
Usage: I see, look upon, experience, perceive, discern, beware.
3. to see i. e. to become acquainted with by experience, to experience: ζωήν, equivalent to to become a partaker of, John 3:36; ἡμέραν (cf. German erleben; see εἰδῶ, I. 5), Luke 17:22 (Sophocles O. R. 831).
Or did I rather CLEARLY show you that the Greek word "see" also allows for the word experience. See the above.
Or is it rather that you're denying what the Greek word says as a potential of choices one can make when it comes to that word "see" HORAO.
Do you have more insight than the disciples did about the kingdom ?The Greek word ἰδεῖν (Strong's 3708 - ὁράω (horaó) - to see, perceive, attend to) includes absolutely no "potential of choices one can make when it comes to that word see' HORAO" concept within the definition. ἰδεῖν/see conveys one perceiving something, or one not perceiving something when modified by the "not" concept, and there is no other concept for ἰδεῖν/see.
You are isolating ἰδεῖν/see conceptually to eliminate the function of perceive as a standalone concept such that the wonderful Word of God is "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God." (John 3:3) no longer carries the clear concept conveyed by God that you "can't grasp a concept Jesus was seeking to get across that you can't understand there's a Kingdom you enter into by believing" in the One True Sovereign Lord and God Jesus Christ.
You cannot believe in King Jesus of the Kingdom of God whom you cannot perceive, and this is Lord Jesus Christ's message before he starts talking about entering the Kingdom of God.
Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).
In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE PRINCE OF PEACE!!!
Do you have more insight than the disciples did about the kingdom ?
Can you perceive the kingdom better than the disciples when they walked with Him and were taught by Him ?
Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).
You dodged the questions which if answered will expose your errorsTo @civic and @praise_yeshua (by your agreeing Like of civic's post),
First, Jesus and Nicodemus were engaged together in dialog when the Lord said "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God." (John 3:3).
Second, @civic post #2,760 illumines where you are shown to give a response that does not address the discussion at hand, and you are doing the same right now. You two exhibit real difficultly remaining on track.
Third, Christ didn't say anything about perceiving "better", but Christ did say about perceiving the Kingdom of God, period.
You cannot believe in King Jesus of the Kingdom of God whom you cannot perceive, and this is Lord Jesus Christ's message before he starts talking about entering the Kingdom of God.
Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).
In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME!!!
Of course when the Bible says, God says you choose He really does t mean man can choose. It’s really a lie, a deception since man according to Calvinism cannot choose. It makes God out to be a liar. The promises are all a facade.You have to be willing to believe the gospel and accept God's plan of salvation for mankind. Some Man-Made Theology is just not going to cut it.
God has loved us enough to make a way to be adopted into his family. He has made a choice available. The way to be saved came at the great cost of Jesus’ becoming one of us, giving his life for us. So in Jesus’ life, death and resurrection, God shows us that he is willing to go to extraordinary lengths to reach out to us because he desperately wants us to be a part of his family.
Choose Jesus, choose life and life more abundantly.
Along with being able to choose comes the ability to reject. I reject Calvinism. But the ability to choose God is quite interesting.Of course when the Bible says, God says you choose He really does t mean man can choose. It’s really a lie, a deception since man according to Calvinism cannot choose. It makes God out to be a liar. The promises are all a facade.
Amen choose , it’s your God given right to choose to receive or reject the gospel by one’s free will that is not coerced or forced.Along with being able to choose comes the ability to reject. I reject Calvinism. But the ability to choose God is quite interesting.
In the Bible, there are more than 200 references to the word “choose” or one of its variations.
As simple as it sounds, one of the greatest proofs of God’s existence is the ability to choose. Materialistic God-deniers hypothesize that all of our actions can be attributed to random interactions of the chemicals, atoms, and molecules that make up our physical bodies. However, they are unable to explain how such random interactions lead to our ability to make all kinds of decisions in life.
Little wonder why when God created man in His image, He put Adam and Eve in a position where they, like God who chose to become flesh in the form of Jesus Christ, had the ability to choose. We are all familiar with the story of how they made a poor choice in eating the forbidden fruit for which God held them both accountable. Think about it! Would God have held Adam and Eve accountable for their poor choice if their actions were the result of random chemical interactions!
Personally, I believe that a desire to avoid accountability is a major reason many people are drawn to a materialistic-atheistic world view. Furthermore, they don’t understand that God created and designed us to make choices.
In the Bible, there are more than 200 references to the word “choose” or one of its variations. This makes it possible for God to fulfill His role as the Supreme Judge of the universe as illustrated in Deuteronomy 30:19 and yet give us freedom to make decisions: “I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you today that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Choose life so that you and your descendants may live…”
Later, in a New Testament passage, the author of Hebrews warns: “Make sure that you do not reject the One who speaks. For if they did not escape when they rejected Him who warned them on earth, even less will we if we turn away from Him who warns us from heaven” (Hebrews 12:25).
We must also remember that because we have the ability and freedom to choose, our actions have consequences. In my commentary in Principle #21, page 1724 in my Life Essentials Study Bible, I establish a bridge between the Old and New Testament applications of this truth:
The author then reminded them of God’s holy presence at Mount Sinai when the old covenant was revealed. It was a terrifying experience (Exodus 19:9-16; 20:18). How much more dreadful the situation for all unbelievers who someday will be judged severely for rejecting the Messiah… However, the good news is that we can spend eternity with God, not because of our good works but because we have received God’s free gift of salvation.
Truly, the choices we make-especially those that are spiritual and moral in nature — serve as reminders that we are made in God’s image.
The Ability To Choose
As simple as it sounds, one of the greatest proofs of God’s existence is the ability to choose. Materialistic God-deniers hypothesize that all of our actions can be attributed to random interactions of the chemicals, atoms, and molecules that make up our physical bodies. However, they are unable...bibleprinciples.org