Tom, what I agreed to was this that you said:
Nothing more.
yes and that is contrary to Kermos as stated
Imagine? Not hardly~by sound biblical hermeneutics, with the Spirit of God opening my understanding to His truth.
It is called CONTEXT, which is king.
Tom~Interpretations
must agree with their context.
Remember this law:
A text used out of context is a pretext. We cannot violate it; we must learn to spot it.
- A text is a word, clause, verse, paragraph, chapter, or book you are seeking to interpret.
- Context is the surrounding information, which shows the author’s meaning by the text.
- Out of context is using words and their sound contrary to the surrounding information.
- A pretext is a false and incorrect impression designed to hide or disguise the real intent.
Using a verse
contrary to its context gives a misleading and deceitful sound of words to teach something the author did not intend and/or is not true. We must hate this abuse of words!
You have had your words used out of context before, and you hated the corruption of your intent and meaning. We must make sure we never do it with the precious Word of God.
Um you have never demonstrated any such thing
I stated
How according to Jesus?
John 3:14–15 (NASB 2020) — 14 And just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes will have eternal life in Him.
John 1:12 (NASB 2020) — 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name,
upon which God would regenerate and cause one to be born again
this is part of the context of
John 3:3–9 (NASB 2020) — 3 Jesus responded and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a person be born when he is old? He cannot enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born, can he?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which has been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which has been born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it is coming from and where it is going; so is everyone who has been born of the Spirit.” 9 Nicodemus responded and said to Him, “How can these things be?”
You can pretend Jesus never addressed the question posed by Nicodemus but if you do it is you who are ignoring context
This rule applies to all writings and conversations of every sort, and so context is well understood by most people. Contracts, court records, novels, promises, and poetry are all understood in context, or surrounding information, to truly understand their meaning.
Even single words are meaningless without a context, which is why we asked our teacher to use them in a sentence before we would try to spell them in a spelling bee!
Even if we use a verse to teach a true point, make sure we still honor its context. For using the wrong verse to teach the right point is the first subtle step to heresy.
No assumption~it is every clear that Nicodemus had a different spirit than the other Jewish leaders and we proved it, The problem is you just do not want to agree with it, whether or not you see exactly what we are saying, I do not know, but, that's on you.
Tom, you are not making much sense. I see that you are having trouble addressing my post, it is very obvious to me.
Why quote this scriptures? It does not one thing to help your cause. This scriptures is declaring a biblical truth, nothing more! The truth it is declaring is this: those that believe HAVE eternal life, nothing more. It does not say what you desire for it to say.
You are not hearing what John is saying, you are hearing what Tom's heart want to believe!
The verse is simple: those that believe POWER/right/authority is given to them to believe. Read the scriptures the way the Holy Ghost gave them, not the way you want to read them.
I have an appointment...later.
Um it is obvious to me you are a victim of your own wishful thinking
Nowhere in the text was it stated one must be born again so as to believe
and that idea is contrary to the biblical record
Regeneration by definition is the impartation of life
The following verses show faith precedes life
John 5:24 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
John 5:40 (KJV)
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. (one comes to Jesus by faith)
Acts 11:18 (KJV)
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
Regeneration makes one a child of God. Born of God -
One is made a child of God through faith
John 1:12 (KJV)
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God,
even to them that believe on his name:
Galatians 3:26 (KJV)
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
John 12:36 (KJV)
36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.
Regeneration is a spiritual resurrection. (all agree quickening - being made alive speaks of regeneration when spoken of the physically living)
We are raised spiritually through faith
Colossians 2:12 (KJV)
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with
him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
One is born again(regenerated) through faith in gospel
James 1:18 (KJV)
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
1 Corinthians 4:15 (KJV)
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet
have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
Of course unbelief does not profit so it must be through faith
Hebrews 4:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Regeneration is the mechanism of salvation
Titus 3:5 (KJV)
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Ephesians 2:5 (KJV)
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
it is through faith we are saved
EPH 2:8 (KJV)
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved
through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
.through - dia instrument or means in the genitive case - Vines
Regeneration is preceded by remission of sin
Colossians 2:13 (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him
, having forgiven you all trespasses;
God regenerates those he has forgiven
foregiveness requires both faith and repentance
Acts 10:43 (KJV)
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Luke 24:47 (KJV)
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Acts 5:31 (KJV)
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand
to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
