A Baptist View of Free Will

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Since so many people like to discuss what “Calvinists” claim about Free Will, I thought I would share the official BAPTIST position that embraces “TULIP” while differing in details from our Reformed Brothers like the Westminster Confession of Faith or the writings of John Calvin (because Baptists REALLY don’t come from the Protestant Reformation directly … we come from the translation of the Bible into vernacular English, mass printing and people choosing to DO what they READ - often at the cost of their life at the hands of State Churches).

1689 Baptist Confession of Faith in Modern English

Chapter 9 - Free Will


1. God has endowed human will with natural liberty and power to act on choices so that it is neither forced nor inherently bound by nature to do good or evil.(1)

(1)Matthew 17:12; James 1:14; Deuteronomy 30:19.



2. Humanity in the state of innocence had freedom and power to will and to do what was good and well-pleasing to God.(2) Yet this condition was unstable, so that humanity could fall from it.(3)

(2)Ecclesiastes 7:29. (3)Genesis 3:6.



3. Humanity, by falling into a state of sin, has completely lost all ability to choose any spiritual good that accompanies salvation.(4) Thus, people in their natural(a) state are absolutely opposed to spiritual good and dead in sin,(5) so that they cannot convert themselves by their own strength or prepare themselves for conversion.(6)

(a)without the Spirit
(4)Romans 5:6; Romans 8:7. (5)Ephesians 2:1-5. (6)Titus 3:3–5; John 6:44.



4. When God converts sinners and transforms them into the state of grace, he frees them from their natural bondage to sin(7) and by his grace alone enables them to will and to do freely what is spiritually good.(8) Yet because of their remaining corruption, they do not perfectly nor exclusively will what is good but also will what is evil.(9)

(7)Colossians 1:13; John 8:36. (8)Philippians 2:13. (9)Romans 7:15-23



5. Only in the state of glory is the will made perfectly and unchangeably free toward good alone.(10)

(10)Ephesians 4:13.
 
Since so many people like to discuss what “Calvinists” claim about Free Will, I thought I would share the official BAPTIST position that embraces “TULIP” while differing in details from our Reformed Brothers like the Westminster Confession of Faith or the writings of John Calvin (because Baptists REALLY don’t come from the Protestant Reformation directly … we come from the translation of the Bible into vernacular English, mass printing and people choosing to DO what they READ - often at the cost of their life at the hands of State Churches).

1689 Baptist Confession of Faith in Modern English

Chapter 9 - Free Will


1. God has endowed human will with natural liberty and power to act on choices so that it is neither forced nor inherently bound by nature to do good or evil.(1)

(1)Matthew 17:12; James 1:14; Deuteronomy 30:19.



2. Humanity in the state of innocence had freedom and power to will and to do what was good and well-pleasing to God.(2) Yet this condition was unstable, so that humanity could fall from it.(3)

(2)Ecclesiastes 7:29. (3)Genesis 3:6.



3. Humanity, by falling into a state of sin, has completely lost all ability to choose any spiritual good that accompanies salvation.(4) Thus, people in their natural(a) state are absolutely opposed to spiritual good and dead in sin,(5) so that they cannot convert themselves by their own strength or prepare themselves for conversion.(6)

(a)without the Spirit
(4)Romans 5:6; Romans 8:7. (5)Ephesians 2:1-5. (6)Titus 3:3–5; John 6:44.



4. When God converts sinners and transforms them into the state of grace, he frees them from their natural bondage to sin(7) and by his grace alone enables them to will and to do freely what is spiritually good.(8) Yet because of their remaining corruption, they do not perfectly nor exclusively will what is good but also will what is evil.(9)

(7)Colossians 1:13; John 8:36. (8)Philippians 2:13. (9)Romans 7:15-23



5. Only in the state of glory is the will made perfectly and unchangeably free toward good alone.(10)

(10)Ephesians 4:13.
Glad you posted this because I just looked up the Westminster Confession of Faith on Freewill. Remember the Presbyterians, for the most part are
Calvin to the core.

This is the Westminster for comparison. Funny both are Chapter 9. More so they are pretty close to each other. Though the Westminster was from
1647-1648.

The scripture references are close but not the same exactly.

IX. Of Free Will​

I. God hath endued the will of man with that natural liberty, that is neither forced nor by any absolute necessity of nature determined to good or evil .a

a. Deut 30:19; Mat 17:12; James 1:14.


II. Man, in his state of innocency, had freedom and power to will and to do that which is good and well-pleasing to God, a but yet mutably, so that he might fall from it .b

a. Gen 1:26; Ecc 7:29. • b. Gen 2:16-17; 3:6.


III. Man, by his fall into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation; a so as a natural man, being altogether averse from that good, b and dead in sin, c is not able, by his own strength, to convert himself, or to prepare himself thereunto. d

a. John 15:5; Rom 5:6; 8:7. • b. Rom 3:10, 12. • c. Eph 2:1, 5; Col 2:13. • d. John 6:44, 65; 1 Cor 2:14; Eph 2:2-5; Titus 3:3-5.


IV. When God converts a sinner, and translates him into the state of grace, he freeth him from his natural bondage under sin, a and by his grace alone enables him freely to will and to do that which is spiritually good; b yet so as that, by reason of his remaining corruption, he doth not perfectly, nor only, will that which is good, but doth also will that which is evil. c

a. John 8:34, 36; Col 1:13. • b. Rom 6:18, 22; Phil 2:13. • c. Rom 7:15, 18-19, 21, 23; Gal 5:17.


V. The will of man is made perfectly and immutably free to good alone, in the state of glory only.a

a. Eph 4:13; Heb 12:23; 1 John 3:2; Jude 1:24.
 
Irresistible Grace, by definition, is incompatible with actual free will.
Could you please define “actual free will” as you use the term, so I can avoid arguing something you are not saying?

The only “free will” that is incompatible with the definition of “irresistible grace” is “Libertine Free Will” … but I am told that “nobody that advocates for ‘Free Will’ means ‘Libertine Free Will’.”

[There are versions of the Doctrines of Grace - like Hypercalvinism with radical Supralapsarianism (active/active predestination schema) - that are incompatible with any Free Will, but those are not the only or even core definitions of the Doctrine of Irresistible Grace.]
 
Glad you posted this because I just looked up the Westminster Confession of Faith on Freewill. Remember the Presbyterians, for the most part are
Calvin to the core.
Yup. Particular Baptists and Presbyterians are more alike than different. It is the Baptist Distinctives that separate them more than anything else:
  • Rejection of creeds and central authority except Jesus Christ
  • Credobaptism (Baptist) vs Paedobaptism (Presbyterian)
  • Autonomy of Local Body (each local church is independent … like Paul founded churches and appointed Local Elders over each local body of believers).
The Presbyterian church split over the Monergism/Synergism question while Baptist Churches embraced mixed congregations on that issue (and split over just about everything else: slavery, Dispensationalism, KJVO, the color of the carpet …)
 
Could you please define “actual free will” as you use the term, so I can avoid arguing something you are not saying?

The only “free will” that is incompatible with the definition of “irresistible grace” is “Libertine Free Will” … but I am told that “nobody that advocates for ‘Free Will’ means ‘Libertine Free Will’.”

Anything other than LFW is not truly free.

A "not free" free will is sophistry and disingenuous double speak.
 
Anything other than LFW is not truly free.

A "not free" free will is sophistry and disingenuous double speak.
Are human decisions really not influenced by either NATURE or NURTURE (to use the common Sociology/Psychology terms)?

I agree that God’s intervention to save people (like opening Lydia’s heart in Acts to hear the message of Paul) is a violation of LIBERTINE Free Will (as is the claim in Ephesians 2:1-4 that we were once dead in sin and the rest of the description of the human condition). Scripture is HEAVY with verses that appear to claim that we are not a blank slate devoid of external influences. Yet YOU advocate that the Leopard can change his spots at any time he wishes.

I (and scripture) must respectfully disagree that such a condition exists.
 
Are human decisions really not influenced by either NATURE or NURTURE (to use the common Sociology/Psychology terms)?

I agree that God’s intervention to save people (like opening Lydia’s heart in Acts to hear the message of Paul) is a violation of LIBERTINE Free Will (as is the claim in Ephesians 2:1-4 that we were once dead in sin and the rest of the description of the human condition). Scripture is HEAVY with verses that appear to claim that we are not a blank slate devoid of external influences. Yet YOU advocate that the Leopard can change his spots at any time he wishes.

I (and scripture) must respectfully disagree that such a condition exists.

You simply have fundamental misunderstandings of what free will means.

1. Free will does not mean you get to decide everything that ever happens to you.
2. Free will does not mean that every single possible option is always available to you.
3. Free will does not mean that something cannot attempt to persuade or entice you.

That's never been what it means—ever. LFW means that in certain instances, multiple options are possible.

Please see this fuller explanation:

 
Irresistible Grace, by definition, is incompatible with actual free will.
I don’t think so.
Free will operates within límits… it is not absolute.
For example, biological death is unavoidable. The law of gravity is unavoidable. We can’t CHOOSE to live forever or to remain floating when we jump. If we dig deeper, we will discover that our mind is also constrained to act within limits. We behave in a certain way and not in another way BECAUSE we don’t know better… it is our nature.

Man is DETERMINED by many circumstances that God has set around him and inside him.
Free will is not an illusion EXCEPT when we ascribe free will absolute freedom. Then it is an illusion, a fantasy.

Being created by God in his image and likening implies we can’t resist the call of Our Origin, Our Source, because ultimately “In God we live, move and have our existence”, as Paul told the Pagan Athenians. Adam was not just another creature of God. He had something divine in it, and that’s why eating from the tree of life would make man “like God”… that’s why men were called “gods” in the Scriptures.

Our Calvinist friends emphasize our depraved nature… but they forget to emphasize our divine origin. We will sin because of our sinful nature… that’s, true. But it is also true that we will respond to God’s grace because of our divine origin.
The prodigal son never ceased to be a son… that is, loved and thought of as a son by his loving father.
 
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That is false and unbiblical.

Grace is constantly resisted in the Bible, and man is always given a choice.

Examine my thread I posted above for a Biblical defense of free will.
Certainly Grace is resisted for a time… That’s proof of our free will.
But grace cannot be resisted forever. That’s proof of a God determination and our godly origin. A proof that good is infinitely stronger, as a force, than evil.
Taking the examples I gave of mortality and the law of gravity, we can choose to prolong our life or prevent premature death, and we can choose to jump and for some seconds “escape” the effects of the law of gravity… but not forever.

The prodigal son made bad choices during certain time. During that time, he resisted grace.
Eventually, he gave up. Love won. The text says “he came to his senses”, as if he had been in a hypnotic state when sinning.
Sinful thinking is delusional. It is irrational. Sin is not true. The truth lies in God, our Father, our Origin. When we “come to our senses”, to our original senses, we desire to come back to the Father.

I fully agree with what you say in your post about free will

“1. Free will does not mean you get to decide everything that ever happens to you.
2. Free will does not mean that every single possible option is always available to you.

3. Free will does not mean that something cannot attempt to persuade or entice you.”

Your third point, in my opinion, is the key. Persuasion.
Persuasion implies a change in our decision, as a result of the interaction of an external force with our free will.
The reasons to commit sin will always be infinitely weaker compared to the reasons to do good. We will get persuaded eventually. God will win.
 
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Irresistible Grace, by definition, is incompatible with actual free will.
WHY?

What do you believe irresistible Grace to be?

If, simply put, the doctrine of irresistible grace is referring to the biblical truth that whatever God decrees to happen will inevitably come to pass, even in the salvation of individuals.... that does not mean that we were created to be Stepford . (Are you old enough to remember the movies?)

The statement "whatever God decrees to happen will inevitably come to pass," is a statement of truth, truly stated.

But if He is guiding every single thing that goes on then that kind of knocks the idea of miracles and answered prayer off their haunches.

I know in my own personal life if I had taken the attitude to "Let go and let God." 3 answered prayers that shaped and defined my life and drew me closer to God would not have happened. Same for my mother who, back in the 90s had a lump in her breast and they were rushing her to surgery.
But after a weekend of prayer... at the hospital when they were getting her ready...they discovered that the lump had disappeared. A lump that 3 mammogram machines had detected in 2 different locations.

Irresistible Grace, I have observed is totally part of free will IF you are willing to accept it.
 

Because free will involves the ability to choose, and irresistible involves the inability to choose.

What do you believe irresistible Grace to be?

Grace that you cannot resist... you have no choice in resisting.

Stepford . (Are you old enough to remember the movies?)

I am aware of the movies, I did not watch it. You need to understand the robot/puppet analogies DO HOLD if free will is removed.

The statement "whatever God decrees to happen will inevitably come to pass," is a statement of truth, truly stated.

If God decrees free will, then by definition, God cannot decree what the free will chooses, otherwise the will is not free.

This isn't rocket surgery.

But after a weekend of prayer... at the hospital when they were getting her ready...they discovered that the lump had disappeared.

Praise God for his beautiful miracle for your mother. That has nothing to do with removing volition, however.

Irresistible Grace, I have observed is totally part of free will IF you are willing to accept it.

That's like saying square circles exist if you are willing to accept it.

Before we accept a direct logical contradiction we need sufficient affirmation this is God's revelation.

God does not say free will and the lack of free will coexist, but everywhere affirms free will.
 
WHY?

What do you believe irresistible Grace to be?

If, simply put, the doctrine of irresistible grace is referring to the biblical truth that whatever God decrees to happen will inevitably come to pass, even in the salvation of individuals.... that does not mean that we were created to be Stepford . (Are you old enough to remember the movies?)

The statement "whatever God decrees to happen will inevitably come to pass," is a statement of truth, truly stated.

But if He is guiding every single thing that goes on then that kind of knocks the idea of miracles and answered prayer off their haunches.

I know in my own personal life if I had taken the attitude to "Let go and let God." 3 answered prayers that shaped and defined my life and drew me closer to God would not have happened. Same for my mother who, back in the 90s had a lump in her breast and they were rushing her to surgery.
But after a weekend of prayer... at the hospital when they were getting her ready...they discovered that the lump had disappeared. A lump that 3 mammogram machines had detected in 2 different locations.

Irresistible Grace, I have observed is totally part of free will IF you are willing to accept it.
Why I reject the calvinist doctrine of I.G.


Matthew 22:3
And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

Matthew 23:37
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

Luke 19:41
And when he drew nigh, he saw the city and wept over it,

Barnes:
the triumphant King and Lord of Zion wept! Amid all "his" prosperity, and all the acclamations of the multitude, the heart of the Redeemer of the world was turned from the tokens of rejoicing to the miseries about to come on a guilty people. Yet they "might" have been saved.

conclusion: Those whom He came to seek and save ( the lost ) rejected Him.

2 Corinthians 6:1
As God’s partners, we beg you not to accept this marvelous gift of God’s kindness and then ignore it.

Hebrews 10:29
Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us.

Hebrews 12:25
Be careful that you do not refuse to listen to the One who is speaking. For if the people of Israel did not escape when they refused to listen to Moses, the earthly messenger, we will certainly not escape if we reject the One who speaks to us from heaven!

Hebrews 6:4-8
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Here we have those receiving Gods grace sharing in the Holy Spirit of grace reject it. They have fallen away permanently from His grace and can no longer repent.

Psalm 78:17;40
But they continued to sin against Him, rebelling in the desert against the Most High. How often they disobeyed Him in the wilderness and grieved Him in the desert!

Here we see them in the wilderness rejecting Gods grace upon them and grieving God in the process.

People sin: Which separated all from fellowship with God.
Responsible: Able-to-respond to God’s appeals for reconciliation.
Open door: For anyone to enter by faith. Whosoever will may come to His open arms.
Vicarious atonement: Provides a way for anyone to be saved by Christ’s blood.
Illuminating grace: Provides clearly revealed truth so that all can know and respond in faith.
Destroyed: For unbelief and resisting the Holy Spirit.
Eternal security: For all true believers.

Gods teaching His Grace is resisted which refutes the " I " in tulip

My top 20 reasons against grace being irresistible


1-Matthew 22:3
And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

2-Matthew 23:37
“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.

3-Luke 19:41
And when he drew nigh, he saw the city and wept over it,

4-Galatians 5:4-7
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit, by faith, we wait for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but faith working through love. You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth?

5-Hebrews 12:14-15
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. 15 See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.

6-2 Corinthians 6:1
As God’s partners, we beg you not to accept this marvelous gift of God’s kindness and then ignore it.

7-Hebrews 10:29
Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us.

8-Hebrews 12:25
Be careful that you do not refuse to listen to the One who is speaking. For if the people of Israel did not escape when they refused to listen to Moses, the earthly messenger, we will certainly not escape if we reject the One who speaks to us from heaven!

9-Genesis 6:3: And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”

10-2 Chronicles 36:15-16: And the Lord God of their fathers sent warnings to them by His messengers, rising up early and sending them, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place. But they mocked the messengers of God, despised His words, and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against His people, till there was no remedy.

11-Proverbs 29:1: He who is often rebuked, and hardens his neck, Will suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.

12-Isaiah 30:15 “For thus says the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel: ‘In returning and rest you shall be saved; In quiteness and confidence shall be your strength.’ But you would not.”

13-Isaiah 65:2“I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, Who walk in a way that is not good, According to their own thoughts.”

14-Jeremiah 35:15 “I have also sent to you all My servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying, ‘Turn now everyone from his evil way, amend your doings, and do not go after other gods to serve them; then you will dwell in the land which I have given to you and your fathers.’ But you have not inclined your ear, nor obeyed Me.”

15-Acts 7:51 “You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.”

16-Acts 13:46: Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles.”

17-Romans 10:21: But to Israel he says: “All day long I have stretched out My hands To a disobedient and contrary people.”

18- Matthew 23:37: Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her! How often I have wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.”

19- Hebrews 6:4-8
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Here we have those receiving Gods grace sharing in the Holy Spirit of grace reject it. They have fallen away permanently from His grace and can no longer repent.

20- Psalm 78:17;40
But they continued to sin against Him, rebelling in the desert against the Most High. How often they disobeyed Him in the wilderness and grieved Him in the desert.

Adam who was “spiritually “dead hid from God in the garden and was able to communicate with God and understand Him. In the day you eat you shall surely die. So adam sinned and was spiritually dead and yet could communicate with God and understand God. “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.” (Genesis 3:10)

Luke 16:27-31 -“He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Above we see that Jesus declared the physical dead and spiritual dead can respond to spiritual things. The dead spiritual/physical dead man is pleading for his own brother’s life.

Jesus declares in John 5:25, “An hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.” Here Jesus says the spiritually dead can and will hear him

In Mark 2:17 Jesus said, “"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." The sick/spiritually dead can hear and understand Jesus- the sinner who is dead in their sins can understand.

In Romans 1 we read of the spiritually dead that they can perceive God and that Gods handiwork is self-evident to them and that the things of God are clearly seen by them so that they are without excuse. Romans 1:20- For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.”

conclusion: You see the doctrine of irresistible grace is unfounded and there are many unproven presuppositions built into Gods Sovereignty and mans condition and free will to choose or reject God. God does not force Himself on anyone for that by definition would be unloving, just as it would be for you or I to force another person to love you.

hope this helps !!!
 
Since so many people like to discuss what “Calvinists” claim about Free Will, I thought I would share the official BAPTIST position that embraces “TULIP” while differing in details from our Reformed Brothers like the Westminster Confession of Faith or the writings of John Calvin (because Baptists REALLY don’t come from the Protestant Reformation directly … we come from the translation of the Bible into vernacular English, mass printing and people choosing to DO what they READ - often at the cost of their life at the hands of State Churches).

1689 Baptist Confession of Faith in Modern English

Chapter 9 - Free Will


1. God has endowed human will with natural liberty and power to act on choices so that it is neither forced nor inherently bound by nature to do good or evil.(1)

(1)Matthew 17:12; James 1:14; Deuteronomy 30:19.



2. Humanity in the state of innocence had freedom and power to will and to do what was good and well-pleasing to God.(2) Yet this condition was unstable, so that humanity could fall from it.(3)

(2)Ecclesiastes 7:29. (3)Genesis 3:6.



3. Humanity, by falling into a state of sin, has completely lost all ability to choose any spiritual good that accompanies salvation.(4) Thus, people in their natural(a) state are absolutely opposed to spiritual good and dead in sin,(5) so that they cannot convert themselves by their own strength or prepare themselves for conversion.(6)

(a)without the Spirit
(4)Romans 5:6; Romans 8:7. (5)Ephesians 2:1-5. (6)Titus 3:3–5; John 6:44.



4. When God converts sinners and transforms them into the state of grace, he frees them from their natural bondage to sin(7) and by his grace alone enables them to will and to do freely what is spiritually good.(8) Yet because of their remaining corruption, they do not perfectly nor exclusively will what is good but also will what is evil.(9)

(7)Colossians 1:13; John 8:36. (8)Philippians 2:13. (9)Romans 7:15-23



5. Only in the state of glory is the will made perfectly and unchangeably free toward good alone.(10)

(10)Ephesians 4:13.
So Atpollard...
what's the difference between the above and what the Reformed/calvinists teach?

There is no difference,,,unless you could point it out of course.
 
One small correction ... I said "Libertine" but clearly meant "Libertarian" with respect to Free Will.

Libertarian Free Will demands Open Theism as a conclusion (it assumes as a condition of its definition that God is NOT IN CONTROL of your choice of salvation, that is Open Theisim ... something that God does not control.)

I disagree, but do not care to argue the point.
[God does not require my defense and if you will not believe His words, why would you believe mine.]

I hold to Compatibalistic Free Will rather than Hard Determinism ... people act according to their nature with every action/choice naturally arising from the conditions that preceded it (all according to God's Plan). [The story of Joseph and his brothers being the perfect example. see Genesis 50:20].
 
WHY?

What do you believe irresistible Grace to be?

If, simply put, the doctrine of irresistible grace is referring to the biblical truth that whatever God decrees to happen will inevitably come to pass, even in the salvation of individuals.... that does not mean that we were created to be Stepford . (Are you old enough to remember the movies?)

The statement "whatever God decrees to happen will inevitably come to pass," is a statement of truth, truly stated.

But if He is guiding every single thing that goes on then that kind of knocks the idea of miracles and answered prayer off their haunches.

I know in my own personal life if I had taken the attitude to "Let go and let God." 3 answered prayers that shaped and defined my life and drew me closer to God would not have happened. Same for my mother who, back in the 90s had a lump in her breast and they were rushing her to surgery.
But after a weekend of prayer... at the hospital when they were getting her ready...they discovered that the lump had disappeared. A lump that 3 mammogram machines had detected in 2 different locations.

Irresistible Grace, I have observed is totally part of free will IF you are willing to accept it.
Irresistible grace and free will do not belong in the same sentence.

IG means I CANNOT resist the grace of God.
It means I MUST ACCEPT the grace of God.

If I MUST do something,,,then I have no free will because I CANNOT have any other choice but to do what I MUST.

If I have no other choice...
it means I have no free will.

Maybe some persons don't mind calvinism because terms are being sugar coated??
 
Glad you posted this because I just looked up the Westminster Confession of Faith on Freewill. Remember the Presbyterians, for the most part are
Calvin to the core.

This is the Westminster for comparison. Funny both are Chapter 9. More so they are pretty close to each other. Though the Westminster was from
1647-1648.

The scripture references are close but not the same exactly.

IX. Of Free Will​

I. God hath endued the will of man with that natural liberty, that is neither forced nor by any absolute necessity of nature determined to good or evil .a

a. Deut 30:19; Mat 17:12; James 1:14.


II. Man, in his state of innocency, had freedom and power to will and to do that which is good and well-pleasing to God, a but yet mutably, so that he might fall from it .b

a. Gen 1:26; Ecc 7:29. • b. Gen 2:16-17; 3:6.


III. Man, by his fall into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation; a so as a natural man, being altogether averse from that good, b and dead in sin, c is not able, by his own strength, to convert himself, or to prepare himself thereunto. d

a. John 15:5; Rom 5:6; 8:7. • b. Rom 3:10, 12. • c. Eph 2:1, 5; Col 2:13. • d. John 6:44, 65; 1 Cor 2:14; Eph 2:2-5; Titus 3:3-5.


IV. When God converts a sinner, and translates him into the state of grace, he freeth him from his natural bondage under sin, a and by his grace alone enables him freely to will and to do that which is spiritually good; b yet so as that, by reason of his remaining corruption, he doth not perfectly, nor only, will that which is good, but doth also will that which is evil. c

a. John 8:34, 36; Col 1:13. • b. Rom 6:18, 22; Phil 2:13. • c. Rom 7:15, 18-19, 21, 23; Gal 5:17.


V. The will of man is made perfectly and immutably free to good alone, in the state of glory only.a

a. Eph 4:13; Heb 12:23; 1 John 3:2; Jude 1:24.
The Westminster Confession and the 1689 Confession are identical....we'd have to fish out the differences.
The outcome is the same.

Another point...
WHY would any confession be necessary if we're going by what the bible teaches??

Even Catholics have their very own book: Catechism of the Catholic Church

Why not just use the bible??
 
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