Your Views on The Trinity

[Peterlag]

Lord = YHWH (God) in Rom. 10:13.

Lord does not mean God.

Peter’s teaching to the Jews on the Day of Pentecost says “God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.” (Acts 2:36). God must have greater authority than Jesus in order to make him the "Lord." Christ would have already been the “Lord” if he was God—in which case God would not need to “make” him the "Lord." It's also taught that Jesus must be God because he's called the “Lord.” The Greek word for Lord is kurios and is a masculine title of respect and nobility, which is why we see many others besides God and Jesus being called the “Lord."

• Property owners are called the "Lord" (Matthew 20:8) kurios is “owner” in the NIV.
• Heads of households are called the "Lord" (Mark 13:35) kuriosis "owner."
• Slave owners were called the "Lord" (Matthew 10:24) kuriosis "master."
• Husbands were called the "Lord" (1 Peter 3:6) kurios is "master" in the NIV.
• A son called his father the "Lord" (Matthew 21:30) kuriosis "sir."
• The Roman Emperor was called the "Lord" (Acts 25:26) kurios is "His Majesty."
• Roman authorities were called the "Lord" (Matthew 27:63) kurios is "sir."

 

[Fred]

Lord does not mean God.

It does when the NT quotes the OT about the YHWH (kyrios).
None of your examples refute this.

 

[Keiw1]

The FATHER gave to His Son = His Name

I have revealed Your name to those You have given Me out of the world

That name is Jehovah= the Father, not the son.
See Lords prayer= Hallowed be ( your) name)----not our name.

 

[Peterlag]

Jesus is out here saying...

• "The Father is greater than I" and somehow that’s code for co-equal.
• Trinitarians be like: God is one… in three… but still one… but not that kind of one. It’s a mystery, Bro—just don’t think too hard or you’ll end up a heretic.
• Trinitarians spent centuries debating whether the Son was begotten, unbegotten, or "eternally begotten"—Unitarians just opened the Bible and said "He prayed to God… case closed."
• Arians to Trinitarians: So let me get this straight—you worship a Son who said “The Father is greater than I” but you insist they’re co-equal? That’s not theology, that’s celestial gaslighting.
• Trinitarians say God is three persons but one essence—meanwhile Unitarians are over here like, Bro, if God wanted to be confusing, He’d have just written the doctrine of the Trinity Himself.
• Trinitarianism: invented by philosophers, ratified by emperors, and enforced by the sword—because nothing says divine truth like needing an imperial decree and exile threats to make your theology stick.
• Trinitarianism: the only belief system where 1 + 1 + 1 = 1, and questioning the math gets you branded a heretic faster than you can say "Nicea 325." It’s like divine calculus—don’t try to solve it, just accept it or you’re out of the club.
• Trinitarians act like the early church was reciting the Nicene Creed at Pentecost, when in reality, Peter just said Jesus was a man approved by God—not a co-equal divine being sharing an essence with the Holy Spirit, who didn’t even get promoted to full Godhood until later councils.

 

[Peterlag]

It does when the NT quotes the OT about the YHWH (kyrios).
None of your examples refute this.

Romans 10:9 is not a quote from the Old Testament.

 

[Fred]

Romans 10:9 is not a quote from the Old Testament.

No kidding.

Romans 10:13 is a quote from the Old Testament.

 

[Peterlag]

No kidding.

Romans 10:13 is a quote from the Old Testament.

Romans 10:13 is not a quote from the Old Testament.

 

[Fred]

Romans 10:13 is not a quote from the Old Testament.

Yes it is.
Joel 2:32 (Joel 3:5 in the LXX).





“everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” This is an exact quotation of the Septuagint version of Joel 2:32. The Hebrew text uses Yahweh for “Lord” and the Septuagint Greek uses kurios.

Romans 10, REV Bible and Commentary

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www.revisedenglishversion.com

 

[Peterlag]

Yes it is.
Joel 2:32 (Joel 3:5 in the LXX).





“everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” This is an exact quotation of the Septuagint version of Joel 2:32. The Hebrew text uses Yahweh for “Lord” and the Septuagint Greek uses kurios.

Romans 10, REV Bible and Commentary

Romans 10 REV and Commentary - Brothers and sisters, my hearts desire and request to God concerning them is for their sal - Bible verse

www.revisedenglishversion.com

Joel is not quoting God. It's a quote referring to the coming of Jesus. Whoever will then call on the name of Jesus. Not God.

 

[Fred]

Joel is not quoting God.

Get real. Are that confused or deceptive?

 

[Peterlag]

Get real. Are that confused or deceptive?

That's nothing in the Old Testament that ever said or was taught that calling on the name of God got anyone saved. You got nothing.

 

[mikesw]

Get real. Are that confused or deceptive?

With Peterlag's last response after you posted this, hopefully he is just very ignorant and should be learning from you rather than denying the content of Joel 2:32. This opportunity to call on the name of the Lord can hardly be missed by a typical examination of the related texts.

 

[Keiw1]

Romans 10:13 is not a quote from the Old Testament.

Yes it is a quote of OT-Joel 2:21-22= Those who call on the name of YHVH(Jehovah) will be saved. Jehovah's name belongs at Rom 10:13 and Acts 2:21

 

[Fred]

That's nothing in the Old Testament that ever said or was taught that calling on the name of God got anyone saved. You got nothing.

Joel 2:32 refutes your blasphemous heresy.

 

[Fred]

With Peterlag's last response after you posted this, hopefully he is just very ignorant and should be learning from you rather than denying the content of Joel 2:32. This opportunity to call on the name of the Lord can hardly be missed by a typical examination of the related texts.

He is 'forced' into this ludicrous position because of his hatred for who Jesus really is.

 

[mikesw]

Yes it is a quote of OT-Joel 2:21-22= Those who call on the name of YHVH(Jehovah) will be saved. Jehovah's name belongs at Rom 10:13 and Acts 2:21

your obfuscation will lead to nothing good. verse 9 already says they needed to confess Jesus as Lord. There is no change of focus from him in verse 13. You really get desperate to promote a misreading. I think most JWs will say they will come back with an elder to discuss this further. The worst part is that you are testifying against Jehovah instead of witnessing for Jehovah.

 

[Peterlag]

Joel 2:32 refutes your blasphemous heresy.

When I first came to this site I was hoping there would be folks here who understood a little about the Bible. The first guy who welcomed me said there were real teachers and ministers here. The words "shall come to pass" are future and refer to Jesus. They are not the words spoken concerning God in the old Covenant.

32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

 

[Peterlag]

Yes it is a quote of OT-Joel 2:21-22= Those who call on the name of YHVH(Jehovah) will be saved. Jehovah's name belongs at Rom 10:13 and Acts 2:21

When I first came to this site I was hoping there would be folks here who understood a little about the Bible. The first guy who welcomed me said there were real teachers and ministers here. The words "shall come to pass" are future and refer to Jesus. They are not the words spoken concerning God in the old Covenant.

32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

 

[Fred]

The words "shall come to pass" are future and refer to Jesus. They are not the words spoken concerning God in the old Covenant.

32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

What is the Hebrew word for "Lord" in Joel 2:32?

Hint: It's the same word used in Deuteronomy 6:4.

Like a child, you must be led.

 

[Peterlag]

What is the Hebrew word for "Lord" in Joel 2:32?

Hint: It's the same word used in Deuteronomy 6:4.

Like a child, you must be led.

There are many descriptions, titles, and names for God in the Bible and I would like to add God’s proper name is “Yahweh” which occurs more than 6,000 times in the Hebrew Old Testament and is generally translated as “LORD.”

When the word "Lord" is used in Joel 2:32 it's referring to Jesus who is also called the Lord and did become the Lord of the New Testament.