Works and Salvation

[brightfame52]

Did you fail to understand?

Not in the New Testament sense

So you believe Christ erred or he lied?

John 7:38–39 (KJV 1900) — 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Are you admitting faith precedes regeneration even the right to receive it by quoting John 1:12

PS there is no mention of when regenerated.

Was John the Baptist filled the Holy Ghost before Jesus was Glorified Luke 1:13-15

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

And Johns Father 1:67

And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

Also the people who received/believed on Christs name during His Ministry here were said to be born of God, which is regeneration John 1:12-13

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

This was before He was Glorified !

 

[TomL]

Was John the Baptist filled the Holy Ghost before Jesus was Glorified Luke 1:13-15

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

And Johns Father 1:67

And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

Also the people who received/believed on Christs name during His Ministry here were said to be born of God, which is regeneration John 1:12-13

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

This was before He was Glorified !

Did you fail to understand?

Not in the New Testament sense

So you believe Christ erred or he lied?

John 7:38–39 (KJV 1900) — 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Are you admitting faith precedes regeneration even the right to receive it by quoting John 1:12

PS there is no mention of when regenerated in John 1:12

 

[synergy]

Was John the Baptist filled the Holy Ghost before Jesus was Glorified Luke 1:13-15

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

And Johns Father 1:67

And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

Also the people who received/believed on Christs name during His Ministry here were said to be born of God, which is regeneration John 1:12-13

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

This was before He was Glorified !

You forget Pentecost which all Calvinista forget. Only then did Christ pour out the Holy Spirit. When Pentecost happened, all the Calvinists asked what's the big deal? Pentecost was just another day at the office for Calvinists.

 

[civic]

Saved by "these" works and just not "those" works is word games. Works salvation is NO SALVATION AT ALL. (Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 11:6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 3:5 etc..).

yes good works are the evidence of the result of salvation.

 

[Johann]

Saved by "these" works and just not "those" works is word games. Works salvation is NO SALVATION AT ALL. (Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 11:6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 3:5 etc..).

AFTER being saved there is work to be done as there are Imperatives in the Scriptures.
How are you @mailmandan?

 

[brightfame52]

Did you fail to understand?

Not in the New Testament sense

So you believe Christ erred or he lied?

John 7:38–39 (KJV 1900) — 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Are you admitting faith precedes regeneration even the right to receive it by quoting John 1:12

PS there is no mention of when regenerated in John 1:12

Was John the Baptist filled the Holy Ghost before Jesus was Glorified Luke 1:13-15

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

And Johns Father 1:67

And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

Also the people who received/believed on Christs name during His Ministry here were said to be born of God, which is regeneration John 1:12-13

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

This was before He was Glorified !

 

[synergy]

Was John the Baptist filled the Holy Ghost before Jesus was Glorified Luke 1:13-15

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

And Johns Father 1:67

And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

Also the people who received/believed on Christs name during His Ministry here were said to be born of God, which is regeneration John 1:12-13

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

This was before He was Glorified !

You continue to forget Pentecost which all Calvinists forget. Only then did Christ pour out the Holy Spirit. When Pentecost happened, all the Calvinists asked what's the big deal? Pentecost was just another day at the office for Calvinists.

 

[brightfame52]

You continue to forget Pentecost which all Calvinists forget. Only then did Christ pour out the Holy Spirit. When Pentecost happened, all the Calvinists asked what's the big deal? Pentecost was just another day at the office for Calvinists.

Was John the Baptist filled the Holy Ghost before Jesus was Glorified Luke 1:13-15

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

And Johns Father 1:67

And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

Also the people who received/believed on Christs name during His Ministry here were said to be born of God, which is regeneration John 1:12-13

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

This was before He was Glorified !

 

[TomL]

Was John the Baptist filled the Holy Ghost before Jesus was Glorified Luke 1:13-15

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

And Johns Father 1:67

And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

Also the people who received/believed on Christs name during His Ministry here were said to be born of God, which is regeneration John 1:12-13

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

This was before He was Glorified !

Did you fail to understand?

Not in the New Testament sense

So you believe Christ erred or he lied?

John 7:38–39 (KJV 1900) — 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Are you admitting faith precedes regeneration even the right to receive it by quoting John 1:12

PS there is no mention of when regenerated in John 1:12

 

[brightfame52]

Did you fail to understand?

Not in the New Testament sense

So you believe Christ erred or he lied?

John 7:38–39 (KJV 1900) — 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Are you admitting faith precedes regeneration even the right to receive it by quoting John 1:12

PS there is no mention of when regenerated in John 1:12

Was John the Baptist filled the Holy Ghost before Jesus was Glorified Luke 1:13-15

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

And Johns Father 1:67

And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

Also the people who received/believed on Christs name during His Ministry here were said to be born of God, which is regeneration John 1:12-13

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

This was before He was Glorified !

 

[TomL]

Was John the Baptist filled the Holy Ghost before Jesus was Glorified Luke 1:13-15

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

And Johns Father 1:67

And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

Also the people who received/believed on Christs name during His Ministry here were said to be born of God, which is regeneration John 1:12-13

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

This was before He was Glorified !

Did you fail to understand?

Not in the New Testament sense

So you believe Christ erred or he lied?

John 7:38–39 (KJV 1900) — 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Are you admitting faith precedes regeneration even the right to receive it by quoting John 1:12

PS there is no mention of when regenerated in John 1:12

 

[brightfame52]

Did you fail to understand?

Not in the New Testament sense

So you believe Christ erred or he lied?

John 7:38–39 (KJV 1900) — 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Are you admitting faith precedes regeneration even the right to receive it by quoting John 1:12

PS there is no mention of when regenerated in John 1:12

Was John the Baptist filled the Holy Ghost before Jesus was Glorified Luke 1:13-15

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

And Johns Father 1:67

And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

Also the people who received/believed on Christs name during His Ministry here were said to be born of God, which is regeneration John 1:12-13

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

This was before He was Glorified !

 

[TomL]

Was John the Baptist filled the Holy Ghost before Jesus was Glorified Luke 1:13-15

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

And Johns Father 1:67

And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

Also the people who received/believed on Christs name during His Ministry here were said to be born of God, which is regeneration John 1:12-13

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

This was before He was Glorified !

Were you unable to read the answer

Not in the New Testament sense

Do you believe Christ erred or he lied?

John 7:38–39 (KJV 1900) — 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Are you admitting faith precedes regeneration even the right to receive it by quoting John 1:12

PS there is no mention of when regenerated in John 1:12

 

[brightfame52]

Were you unable to read the answer

Not in the New Testament sense

Do you believe Christ erred or he lied?

John 7:38–39 (KJV 1900) — 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Are you admitting faith precedes regeneration even the right to receive it by quoting John 1:12

PS there is no mention of when regenerated in John 1:12

Was John the Baptist filled the Holy Ghost before Jesus was Glorified Luke 1:13-15

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

And Johns Father 1:67

And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

Also the people who received/believed on Christs name during His Ministry here were said to be born of God, which is regeneration John 1:12-13

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

This was before He was Glorified !

 

[TomL]

Was John the Baptist filled the Holy Ghost before Jesus was Glorified Luke 1:13-15

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

And Johns Father 1:67

And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

Also the people who received/believed on Christs name during His Ministry here were said to be born of God, which is regeneration John 1:12-13

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

This was before He was Glorified !

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/works-and-salvation.1262/post-82740

 

[civic]

Was John the Baptist filled the Holy Ghost before Jesus was Glorified Luke 1:13-15

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

And Johns Father 1:67

And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

Also the people who received/believed on Christs name during His Ministry here were said to be born of God, which is regeneration John 1:12-13

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

This was before He was Glorified !

are you comparing yourself to them ?

 

[TomL]

are you comparing yourself to them ?

He does not believe Jesus

John 7:38–39 (NASB 2020) — 38 The one who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 But this He said in reference to the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

 

[TomL]

Define "Works of merit". Sounds like "Word Games".

Come on Bob. Surely that should not be beyond your understanding

 

[Johann]

Um the Holy Spirit was not given until Christ was glorified - Duh

Why do I sense an air of superiority overs others in you when you "Duh" -4x the member you are dealing with?
You may have a Logos software spitting out the answers in a mechanical manner but there is no need to resort to "correct" a member in a condescendingly way-are you still learning-or have you arrived to full epignosis?

Glad this is off my chest -you may report me.

 

[brightfame52]

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/works-and-salvation.1262/post-82740

Was John the Baptist filled the Holy Ghost before Jesus was Glorified Luke 1:13-15

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

And Johns Father 1:67

And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

Also the people who received/believed on Christs name during His Ministry here were said to be born of God, which is regeneration John 1:12-13

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

This was before He was Glorified !