Works and Salvation

you can place anyone on ignore thats your right. you sure like to post theology and ideas but resist having them challenged.

I have mine challenged every day here just like everyone else does, thats the nature of christian forums in general to test what you believe and have it challenged by others. We either affirm what someone posts or disagree with it and challenge the beliefs.

There would be no online forums if everyone agreed on everything.

BTW-I have not called you any names, insulted you personally. I have challenged some of your doctrines but most of them I agree with brother.
I have no problems with that-it's the spirit in which it is done I am against.
I am posting the opposing views from scholars etc. on PSA, Romans 7 waiting for a mature, Christlike response and you do came across as arrogant, you seem to only want to see it YOUR way, using copy and paste as well and are very prolific at it.
If you are getting challenged-it's your way which reminds me of that song-"I did it all my way"

Glad to know it is is my right to put you on ignore since I am not edified-don't take this personally but I really don't have any desire to have a "rock an' roll" with you.

I have enough of that in my own backyard in real time. Police are everywhere getting rid of "illegals" and fists are flying.
 
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Not all here on this platform are born again Christians and indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

Simple as that.
There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" or pseudo-Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers and it's not hard to find them mixed together on various Christian forum sites.
 
In other words, the content of God's gift of eternal life is the experience of knowing Him and Jesus (John 17:3) and the gift of His law is His instructions for how to have that experience (Exodus 33:13, Matthew 7:23), not for how to earn eternal life as a wage.

BINGO!!!! Salvation is by FAITH ALONE. James seems to contradict this, but in fact James gives us a "Litmus test" whereby we can know whether what we CALL FAITH really is really Biblical faith, or "Dead faith" - i.e, "religious"/Theological/Intellectual belief/NO FAITH at all. 90% of what we refer to as "Faith" isn't "Faith" at all - only intellectual assent.

Your WORKS, HOWEVER, to come into play at Jesus' judgement of reward. What you DID, with what you were GIVEN determines in some fashion what your "Position" in the heavenly economy will be. if you did NOTHING, you're still saved, but you'll "Suffer loss", whatever that means. (1 cor 3:13-15)
 
The same everywhere in every church too. :)

Always tares mixed with wheat
yes, this is why the tares will be separated from the wheat. just as the sheep from the goats. it best to repent now, because at the JUDGMENT SEAT. it might be too late.

101G.
 
... if you did NOTHING, you're still saved, but you'll "Suffer loss", whatever that means. (1 cor 3:13-15)

Jesus explained in the parable of the talents that the servant who, having the possibility of doing something, chose to do NOTHING, is not in a state of salvation. In reference to this servant He says: "And throw the unprofitable servant into outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Mat 35:30)

As you said and said well, deeds are the "Limus test" of faith. No deeds means no faith.
 
Jesus explained in the parable of the talents that the servant who, having the possibility of doing something, chose to do NOTHING, is not in a state of salvation. In reference to this servant He says: "And throw the unprofitable servant into outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Mat 35:30)

As you said and said well, deeds are the "Limus test" of faith. No deeds means no faith.
bring forth fruit. for if we're in him we bring forth fruit. John 15:1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman." John 15:2 "Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit." John 15:3 "Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you." John 15:4 "Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me." John 15:5 "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." John 15:6 "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." John 15:7 "If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you." John 15:8 "Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples."

101G.
 
Jesus explained in the parable of the talents that the servant who, having the possibility of doing something, chose to do NOTHING, is not in a state of salvation. In reference to this servant He says: "And throw the unprofitable servant into outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Mat 35:30)

As you said and said well, deeds are the "Limus test" of faith. No deeds means no faith.
And you ignored 1 Cor 3:13-15 as expected.
 
And you ignored 1 Cor 3:13-15 as expected.
Greeting Bob, but please explain the loot he suffered. and please be aware of the :(Colon) and the term (any man) in the verse and where it is placed. 1 Corinthians 3:13 "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is." 1 Corinthians 3:14 "If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward." 1 Corinthians 3:15 "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."

101G.
 
The Scriptures, both in Proverbs and the letters of the New Testament, have a lot to say about self-control. Paul lists it as one expression of the fruit of the Spirit.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23

And he includes a lack of self-control in the list of vices characteristic of the last days.
Without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 2 Timothy 3:3

His instructions to Titus regarding his ministry in Crete included several exhortations to teach self-control:
2 Teach the older men to be temperate, worthy of respect, self-controlled, and sound in faith, in love and in endurance.
3 Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. 4 Then they can urge the younger women to love their husbands and children, 5 to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.
Titus 2:2-6

And a reminder that the same grace that brings salvation also trains us to live self-controlled lives:
11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. 12 It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, Titus 2:11-12

Then Peter urges us to be sober-minded, or self-controlled, several times in his two letters

13 Therefore, with minds that are alert and fully sober, set your hope on the grace to be brought to you when Jesus Christ is revealed at his coming. 1 Peter 1:13

7 The end of all things is near. Therefore be alert and of sober mind so that you may pray. 1 Peter 4:7

Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 1 Peter 5:8

For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; 6 and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 2 Peter 1:5-6

Despite the scriptural teaching on self-control, I suspect this is one virtue that receives little conscious attention from most Christians. We have boundaries from our Christian culture that tend to restrain us from obvious sins, but within those boundaries we pretty much live as we please. We seldom say no to our desires and emotions. A lack of self-control may well be one of our more “respectable” sins. And because we tolerate this, we become more vulnerable to other “respectable” sins.

A lack of control of our tongue, for example, opens the door to all manner of defiling speech such as sarcasm, gossip, slander, and ridicule.
 
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