Will Babies that die go to Heaven?

[e v e]

Jesus is a Jewish Messiah. He came to the Jews, taught the Jews, and was a fulfillment of Jewish covenant and prophecies. Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Jesus sent His apostles out to Gentile lands because that's where the twelve tribes were scattered and lived. They were sent to herald the arrival of Israel's Messiah and King to God's Bride and Church Israel.
The New Testament is written to the Jews as a testimony of God to His people that He has kept His Promise and Israel's Redeemer and Deliverer had come.

3000 Jews were saved at Peter's sermon on Pentecost. That's a grip of people and they made up what's most likely several house churches full of Jews.
Paul may have been upset with the hard hearts of his brethren in Israel/Jerusalem and so He went to Gentile lands to witness to his Jewish brethren living there. The majority of people in these Asian [Minor] churches were Jews.
After the destruction of the Jewish Temple a couple of decades later was the beginning of the Times of the Gentiles and God began bringing in Gentiles into the fold to be grafted in with the natural branches who is Israel. Until then, the "ism" of Judaism remained, and God addresses His people up until that time.

Christ took the step down
and incarnated here
for the souls who came from eden paradise,
before she fell - God's souls...
and became imprisoned because of adam.
Christ came to make possible
to restore us to our land and to God.

The fall happened in the other reality...
...the other side of the veil from us

... the ethnic background of the (corrupt) flesh body
is not what makes a soul His...
for the original body in eden
- the other reality -
was Not of the type we have here. this body is
a result of adam's crime



Jesus came for Hebrew souls.

Among the hebrews not all were His souls...
example, the pharisees...
just as today.

 

[TedT]

God created us not missing the mark ..
that did not happen until adam betrayed God and us.

So what? If, AS YOU CLAIM, HE put us into Adam's sin when we were created in the womb so we were created missing the mark, then we are sinners by HIS will, not our own.

It is this theology that is wrong, not GOD, because HE did not do this!

 

[e v e]

So what? If, AS YOU CLAIM, HE put us into Adam's sin when we were created in the womb so we were created missing the mark, then we are sinners by HIS will, not our own.

It is this theology that is wrong, not GOD, because HE did not do this!

He did not put us in this body.

 

[TedT]

God cannot be faulted although He created man sinful.

Wow...

Doublethink at its best. GOD creates evil but is not guilty but everyone else who creates evil is guilty....riiiiight???

GOD is NOT a house divided: HE cannot and will never create evil which HE cannot abide and will destroy forever wherever HE finds it.

GOD is love - HE cannot create hateful evil people.
GOD is light. He cannot create evil dark people. It would be like striking a match and having dark come out instead of light!! An absurdity! No source of light can bring forth dark. No source of pure love can bring forth evil.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I asked about Paul who wrote 40% of the NT himself.

God had a message for His people Israel. Paul was frustrated by his Jewish brethren in Jerusalem hardness of heart, so he took God's message to the twelve tribes scattered in those Gentile lands where they lived.
Paul's letters were to his Jewish brethren in those churches in Asia Minor and Rome.
At the Marriage Supper Israel is there by covenant with God as Christ's Bride.
Gentiles are there by invitation.
Gentiles are grafted in.
But God made no covenant with Gentiles.

18 And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present.
19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.
20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
Acts 21:18–21.

The twelve tribes scattered among the Gentiles.

 

[Aeliana]

According to the“age of accountability” of children, children are not held accountable by God until they are aware of the difference between good and evil.

Moreover, your little ones whom you said would become a prey, and your children who at this time cannot discern between good and evil, they shall enter Canaan, and to them I will give it and they shall possess it. Deuteronomy 1:39

 

[jeremiah1five]

According to the“age of accountability” of children, children are not held accountable by God until they are aware of the difference between good and evil.

Moreover, your little ones whom you said would become a prey, and your children who at this time cannot discern between good and evil, they shall enter Canaan, and to them I will give it and they shall possess it. Deuteronomy 1:39

The age of accountability is the bar mitzvah and the bat mitzvah, the rites of passage for Jewish boys and girls in their becoming adult citizens with all the responsibility and accountability required under the Law.
It has nothing to do anything else.

 

[civic]

God had a message for His people Israel. Paul was frustrated by his Jewish brethren in Jerusalem hardness of heart, so he took God's message to the twelve tribes scattered in those Gentile lands where they lived.
Paul's letters were to his Jewish brethren in those churches in Asia Minor and Rome.
At the Marriage Supper Israel is there by covenant with God as Christ's Bride.
Gentiles are there by invitation.
Gentiles are grafted in.
But God made no covenant with Gentiles.

18 And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present.
19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.
20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
Acts 21:18–21.

The twelve tribes scattered among the Gentiles.

Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles by God’s choice. The Lord Jesus declared that He had a specific mission for Paul: “This man is my chosen instrument to carry my name before the Gentiles and their kings and before the people of Israel” (Acts 9:15). Paul had been set apart from birth and called by God’s grace so that he might “preach [Christ] among the Gentiles” (Galatians 1:15–16).

 

[jeremiah1five]

Wow...
Doublethink at its best. GOD creates evil but is not guilty but everyone else who creates evil is guilty....riiiiight???

Everyone who does evil is guilty of sin. But those to whom atonement is made is justified by God as "Not Guilty!"
God is justified in creating a sinful man for a lamb was slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world.
Atonement.

GOD is NOT a house divided: HE cannot and will never create evil which HE cannot abide and will destroy forever wherever HE finds it.

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west,
That there is none beside me.
I am the LORD, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things.
Is 45:6–7.

GOD is love - HE cannot create hateful evil people.
GOD is light. He cannot create evil dark people. It would be like striking a match and having dark come out instead of light!! An absurdity! No source of light can bring forth dark. No source of pure love can bring forth evil.

6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west,
That there is none beside me.
I am the LORD, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things.
Is 45:6–7.

I think you need to revise your present beliefs to incorporate these truths into them and come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[TedT]

He did not put us in this body.

If you are sinful and thus to be guilty of sina person of the kingdom then HE certainly did...Matt 13:36-43.

And if HE did not, who did? If nature caused our creation then HE is responsible to put us into a nature that is good, not evil, or how is that loving?

Doublethink is holding opposite thoughts to be both true at the same time such as Edit truth:
GOD is good and can only do good yet
GOD creates evil people by having them to be conceived into Adam's sin,
ie, an impossible contradiction.

 

[Anja]

“The LORD our God has secrets known to no one. We are not accountable for them, but we and our children are accountable forever for all that he has revealed to us, so that we may obey all the terms of these instructions” (Deut. 29:29).

The verse means that God holds us responsible for what we know, and the rest is in His hands. My faith allows me to trust God without knowing the answer.

 

[Anja]

Looks like this thread is starting to get hot and heavy over a question that no one can answer. Let's all take a deep breath And keep our posts about the topic and not about each other.

 

[TedT]

Everyone who does evil is guilty of sin. But those to whom atonement is made is justified by God as "Not Guilty!"
God is justified in creating a sinful man for a lamb was slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world.
Atonement.

Are you really saying Christ's atonement covers GOD's sin of creating sinnners??? Sure sounds like it!

 

[e v e]

If you are sinful and thus to be guilty of sina person of the kingdom then HE certainly did...Matt 13:36-43.

And if HE did not, who did? If nature caused our creation then HE is responsible to put us into a nature that is good, not evil, or how is that loving?

Doublethink is holding opposite thoughts to be both true at the same time such as Edit truth:
GOD is good and can only do good yet
GOD creates evil people by having them to be conceived into Adam's sin,
ie, an impossible contradiction.

adam caused it. Not God

Adam.

God's souls are not evil.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Are you really saying Christ's atonement covers GOD's sin of creating sinnners??? Sure sounds like it!

I'm saying that Scripture says that a lamb was slain from [before] the foundation (creation) of the world.
Think about it.
BEFORE God created the world a lamb was slain.
Why?
For what purpose?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Looks like this thread is starting to get hot and heavy over a question that no one can answer. Let's all take a deep breath And keep our posts about the topic and not about each other.

All our answers must come from Scripture on this question.
The question of "Will babies that die go to heaven" the answer is that it falls within the Christian doctrine of salvation.
Since everyone that is conceived in the womb through the joining of a man's sperm and a woman's egg automatically receive a sin nature will die separated from God unless God intervenes and saves the individual. It doesn't matter the age of the individual, whether 3 weeks or 3 years or 90 years. It is God that saves not man. Just as no one can say who will be saved before a person is saved neither can we say that a baby that dies in the womb will automatically go to heaven because in our minds it is right. But we don't have the last word on this. God does. And we do well not to interject what we think God should do or not do especially when it comes to babies. The bottom line is that there is something called the "Lamb's Book of Life" and in it contains every name of every person predestined to salvation of the Lord. And God is following that book to the letter. If a baby's name who dies in the womb is found in that book that baby will be saved. If the baby's name that dies in the womb is not in that book that baby will not be saved regardless of what we think.
I understand the emotional underpinnings that accompany wanting all baby's that die in the womb to go to heaven and be with God, but we have the Scripture, and we have the doctrines that have been proven true that go directly to this question. They must be applied so that God's truth and God's glory results. We can either accept the Word of God on this question or we can continue to lean on our own understanding in the vanity of our minds and retain an erroneous belief on this question and be no help at all to any mother or father who may have lost a child in the womb.
If we can be honest with the Scripture and allow God's Word rightly divided to answer this question then our honesty and integrity as Christians remain intact and God is glorified, the Scripture validated, and mother's and father's will have the true gospel of this "so-great salvation" spoken to them. I prefer to be comforted by the truth of God's Word than to be consoled by the lies of man. No one can truly tell a mother or father what to believe with regard to this question. If they have lost a child in the womb or in infancy or soon thereafter it is better to direct them to the Word of God, pray for them, and let God be the One to provide the answer. They will hear no one else until the moment when God does choose to speak. And when God does speak to these mothers and fathers who may have lost a child in the womb, He will address them the way no other can and do so as a Father who also lost a Son to sin.

 

[Hosanna]

God loves His creation so much that He would never allow children to spend eternity in hell.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/365-promises.568/post-14479

 

[jeremiah1five]

God loves His creation so much that He would never allow children to spend eternity in hell.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/365-promises.568/post-14479

Wishful thinking not supported by Scripture.

 

[civic]

Looks like this thread is starting to get hot and heavy over a question that no one can answer. Let's all take a deep breath And keep our posts about the topic and not about each other.

the issue would be twofold but they both go hand in hand together.

original sin
baptism of infants

infant baptism was because of original sin and dealt with the "sin nature" in the infant which baptism would omit/nullify allowing the infant to be saved if they died.

I stand on the side that both of the above are doctrinal error. There is no "sin nature". The OT makes it clear that one becomes guilty and sin punishable when one commits a sin. Without committing a sin there is no consequences. Since an infant cannot commit a sin then they are not guilty or held accountable for sin.

 

[Azriel]

In the beginning, you had such a lovely form. You were in your mother’s womb. Today thanks to Ultrasound we can see your frame being shaped.

“You could see my bones
grow as my body took shape,
hidden in my mother’s womb.”
PSALM 139:15

Listening to your heartbeat fluttering inside, your momma’s heart leaped with excitement. Thankful to the Lord for this blessing.
“…The unborn baby inside
her jumped and she was
filled with the Holy Spirit.”
LUKE 1:41

“Children are a gift from the LORD.”
PSALM 127:3

As time passed and your body began to shape into a beautiful, precious baby with hands and feet. Watching you grow as the weeks passed by and seeing you get so big, so fast.
“I praise you because you made me in such
a wonderful way. I know how amazing that was!”
PSALM 139:14