Why The Trinity is Wrong: Language Usage

Grammar does not change there is no trinity affirming verse in Scripture like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever. If there were such a verse, it would be the most quoted verse in Scripture by those who claim one’s salvation depends on believing it.
First, I believe in your description above.
Second, our salvation does not rest on accepting the above.
Our salvation is secure from the 'moment' God wrote our names in the book of life.
God is not waiting around to see who will 'accept Jesus into their heart' or a requirement of what we believe or disbelieve. Our salvation rests on the command of God on who will be saved and we are saved by His Word.

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 1 Pet. 1:23.

And that word does not necessarily have to be written for God gave command as to who will be saved BEFORE man was created.
God is actively taking out a people to Himself.
 
First, I believe in your description above.
Second, our salvation does not rest on accepting the above.
Our salvation is secure from the 'moment' God wrote our names in the book of life.
God is not waiting around to see who will 'accept Jesus into their heart' or a requirement of what we believe or disbelieve. Our salvation rests on the command of God on who will be saved and we are saved by His Word.

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 1 Pet. 1:23.

And that word does not necessarily have to be written for God gave command as to who will be saved BEFORE man was created.
God is actively taking out a people to Himself.
Rom 10:17 So faith comes from hearing what is told, and hearing through the message about Christ.

(Belief you see, can only come from hearing the message, and the message is the word of Christ.)

Then faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the Word of YAHWEH.


Word of God (ῥήματος Θεοῦ)
The best texts read of Christ. Probably not the Gospel, but Christ's word of command or commission to its preachers; thus taking up except they be sent (Rom_10:15), and emphasizing the authority of the message. Belief comes through the message, and the message through the command of Christ.
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Rom 10:8 But what does it say? "God's message is close to you, on your very lips and in your heart"; that is, the message about faith which we preach.



1And it will be, when all these things come upon you the blessing and the curse which I have set before you that you will consider in your heart, among all the nations where the Lord your God has banished you, אוְהָיָה֩ כִֽי־יָבֹ֨אוּ עָלֶ֜יךָ כָּל־הַדְּבָרִ֣ים הָאֵ֗לֶּה הַבְּרָכָה֙ וְהַקְּלָלָ֔ה אֲשֶׁ֥ר נָתַ֖תִּי לְפָנֶ֑יךָ וַֽהֲשֵֽׁבֹתָ֙ אֶל־לְבָבֶ֔ךָ בְּכָ֨ל־הַגּוֹיִ֔ם אֲשֶׁ֧ר הִדִּיחֲךָ֛ יְהֹוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֶ֖יךָ שָֽׁמָּה:

2and you will return to the Lord, your God, with all your heart and with all your soul, and you will listen to His voice according to all that I am commanding you this day you and your children, בוְשַׁבְתָּ֞ עַד־יְהֹוָ֤ה אֱלֹהֶ֨יךָ֙ וְשָֽׁמַעְתָּ֣ בְקֹל֔וֹ כְּכֹ֛ל אֲשֶׁר־אָֽנֹכִ֥י מְצַוְּךָ֖ הַיּ֑וֹם אַתָּ֣ה וּבָנֶ֔יךָ בְּכָל־לְבָבְךָ֖ וּבְכָל־נַפְשֶֽׁךָ:

3then, the Lord, your God, will bring back your exiles, and He will have mercy upon you. He will once again gather you from all the nations, where the Lord, your God, had dispersed you. גוְשָׁ֨ב יְהֹוָ֧ה אֱלֹהֶ֛יךָ אֶת־שְׁבֽוּתְךָ֖ וְרִֽחֲמֶ֑ךָ וְשָׁ֗ב וְקִבֶּצְךָ֙ מִכָּל־הָ֣עַמִּ֔ים אֲשֶׁ֧ר הֱפִֽיצְךָ֛ יְהֹוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֶ֖יךָ שָֽׁמָּה:

4Even if your exiles are at the end of the heavens, the Lord, your God, will gather you from there, and He will take you from there. דאִם־יִֽהְיֶ֥ה נִדַּֽחֲךָ֖ בִּקְצֵ֣ה הַשָּׁמָ֑יִם מִשָּׁ֗ם יְקַבֶּצְךָ֙ יְהֹוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֔יךָ וּמִשָּׁ֖ם יִקָּחֶֽךָ:

5And the Lord, your God, will bring you to the land which your forefathers possessed, and you [too] will take possession of it, and He will do good to you, and He will make you more numerous than your forefathers. הוֶֽהֱבִֽיאֲךָ֞ יְהֹוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֗יךָ אֶל־הָאָ֛רֶץ אֲשֶׁר־יָֽרְשׁ֥וּ אֲבֹתֶ֖יךָ וִֽירִשְׁתָּ֑הּ וְהֵיטִֽבְךָ֥ וְהִרְבְּךָ֖ מֵֽאֲבֹתֶֽיךָ:

6And the Lord, your God, will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring, [so that you may] love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, for the sake of your life. ווּמָ֨ל יְהֹוָ֧ה אֱלֹהֶ֛יךָ אֶת־לְבָֽבְךָ֖ וְאֶת־לְבַ֣ב זַרְעֶ֑ךָ לְאַֽהֲבָ֞ה אֶת־יְהֹוָ֧ה אֱלֹהֶ֛יךָ בְּכָל־לְבָֽבְךָ֥ וּבְכָל־נַפְשְׁךָ֖ לְמַ֥עַן חַיֶּֽיךָ:

7And the Lord, your God, will place all these curses upon your enemies and upon your adversaries, who pursued you. ז וְנָתַן֙ יְהֹוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֔יךָ אֵ֥ת כָּל־הָֽאָל֖וֹת הָאֵלֶּ֑ה עַל־אֹֽיְבֶ֥יךָ וְעַל־שֽׂנְאֶ֖יךָ אֲשֶׁ֥ר רְדָפֽוּךָ:

8And you will return and listen to the voice of the Lord, and fulfill all His commandments, which I command you this day. חוְאַתָּ֣ה תָשׁ֔וּב וְשָֽׁמַעְתָּ֖ בְּק֣וֹל יְהֹוָ֑ה וְעָשִׂ֨יתָ֙ אֶת־כָּל־מִצְו‍ֹתָ֔יו אֲשֶׁ֛ר אָֽנֹכִ֥י מְצַוְּךָ֖ הַיּֽוֹם:

9And the Lord, your God, will make you abundant for good in all the work of your hands, in the fruit of your womb, in the fruit of your livestock, and in the fruit of your soil. For the Lord will once again rejoice over you for good, as He rejoiced over your forefathers, טוְהוֹתִֽירְךָ֩ יְהֹוָ֨ה אֱלֹהֶ֜יךָ בְּכֹ֣ל | מַֽעֲשֵׂ֣ה יָדֶ֗ךָ בִּפְרִ֨י בִטְנְךָ֜ וּבִפְרִ֧י בְהֶמְתְּךָ֛ וּבִפְרִ֥י אַדְמָֽתְךָ֖ לְטֹבָ֑ה כִּ֣י | יָשׁ֣וּב יְהֹוָ֗ה לָשׂ֤וּשׂ עָלֶ֨יךָ֙ לְט֔וֹב כַּֽאֲשֶׁר־שָׂ֖שׂ עַל־אֲבֹתֶֽיךָ:

10when you obey the Lord, your God, to observe His commandments and His statutes written in this Torah scroll, [and] when you return to the Lord, your God, with all your heart and with all your soul. יכִּ֣י תִשְׁמַ֗ע בְּקוֹל֙ יְהֹוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֔יךָ לִשְׁמֹ֤ר מִצְו‍ֹתָיו֙ וְחֻקֹּתָ֔יו הַכְּתוּבָ֕ה בְּסֵ֥פֶר הַתּוֹרָ֖ה הַזֶּ֑ה כִּ֤י תָשׁוּב֙ אֶל־יְהֹוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֔יךָ בְּכָל־לְבָֽבְךָ֖ וּבְכָל־נַפְשֶֽׁךָ:

11For this commandment which I command you this day, is not concealed from you, nor is it far away. יאכִּ֚י הַמִּצְוָ֣ה הַזֹּ֔את אֲשֶׁ֛ר אָֽנֹכִ֥י מְצַוְּךָ֖ הַיּ֑וֹם לֹֽא־נִפְלֵ֥את הִוא֙ מִמְּךָ֔ וְלֹֽא־רְחֹקָ֖ה הִֽוא:

12It is not in heaven, that you should say, "Who will go up to heaven for us and fetch it for us, to tell [it] to us, so that we can fulfill it?" יבלֹ֥א בַשָּׁמַ֖יִם הִ֑וא לֵאמֹ֗ר מִ֣י יַֽעֲלֶה־לָּ֤נוּ הַשָּׁמַ֨יְמָה֙ וְיִקָּחֶ֣הָ לָּ֔נוּ וְיַשְׁמִעֵ֥נוּ אֹתָ֖הּ וְנַֽעֲשֶֽׂנָּה:

13Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, "Who will cross to the other side of the sea for us and fetch it for us, to tell [it] to us, so that we can fulfill it?" יגוְלֹֽא־מֵעֵ֥בֶר לַיָּ֖ם הִ֑וא לֵאמֹ֗ר מִ֣י יַֽעֲבָר־לָ֜נוּ אֶל־עֵ֤בֶר הַיָּם֙ וְיִקָּחֶ֣הָ לָּ֔נוּ וְיַשְׁמִעֵ֥נוּ אֹתָ֖הּ וְנַֽעֲשֶֽׂנָּה:


14Rather, [this] thing is very close to you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can fulfill it. ידכִּֽי־קָר֥וֹב אֵלֶ֛יךָ הַדָּבָ֖ר מְאֹ֑ד בְּפִ֥יךָ וּבִלְבָֽבְךָ֖ לַֽעֲשׂתֽוֹ:

15Behold, I have set before you today life and good, and death and evil, טורְאֵ֨ה נָתַ֤תִּי לְפָנֶ֨יךָ֙ הַיּ֔וֹם אֶת־הַֽחַיִּ֖ים וְאֶת־הַטּ֑וֹב וְאֶת־הַמָּ֖וֶת וְאֶת־הָרָֽע:


16inasmuch as I command you this day to love the Lord, your God, to walk in His ways, and to observe His commandments, His statutes, and His ordinances, so that you will live and increase, and the Lord, your God, will bless you in the land to which you are coming to take possession of it. טזאֲשֶׁ֨ר אָֽנֹכִ֣י מְצַוְּךָ֘ הַיּוֹם֒ לְאַֽהֲבָ֞ה אֶת־יְהֹוָ֤ה אֱלֹהֶ֨יךָ֙ לָלֶ֣כֶת בִּדְרָכָ֔יו וְלִשְׁמֹ֛ר מִצְו‍ֹתָ֥יו וְחֻקֹּתָ֖יו וּמִשְׁפָּטָ֑יו וְחָיִ֣יתָ וְרָבִ֔יתָ וּבֵֽרַכְךָ֙ יְהֹוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֔יךָ בָּאָ֕רֶץ אֲשֶׁר־אַתָּ֥ה בָא־שָׁ֖מָּה לְרִשְׁתָּֽהּ:

17But if your heart deviates and you do not listen, and you will be drawn astray, and you will prostrate yourself to other deities and serve them, יזוְאִם־יִפְנֶ֥ה לְבָֽבְךָ֖ וְלֹ֣א תִשְׁמָ֑ע וְנִדַּחְתָּ֗ וְהִשְׁתַּֽחֲוִ֛יתָ לֵֽאלֹהִ֥ים אֲחֵרִ֖ים וַֽעֲבַדְתָּֽם:

18I declare to you this day, that you will surely perish, and that you will not live long days on the land, to which you are crossing the Jordan, to come and take possession thereof. יחהִגַּ֤דְתִּי לָכֶם֙ הַיּ֔וֹם כִּ֥י אָבֹ֖ד תֹּאבֵד֑וּן לֹא־תַֽאֲרִיכֻ֤ן יָמִים֙ עַל־הָ֣אֲדָמָ֔ה אֲשֶׁ֨ר אַתָּ֤ה עֹבֵר֙ אֶת־הַיַּרְדֵּ֔ן לָב֥וֹא שָׁ֖מָּה לְרִשְׁתָּֽהּ:

19This day, I call upon the heaven and the earth as witnesses [that I have warned] you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. You shall choose life, so that you and your offspring will live; יטהַֽעִדֹ֨תִי בָכֶ֣ם הַיּוֹם֘ אֶת־הַשָּׁמַ֣יִם וְאֶת־הָאָ֒רֶץ֒ הַֽחַיִּ֤ים וְהַמָּ֨וֶת֙ נָתַ֣תִּי לְפָנֶ֔יךָ הַבְּרָכָ֖ה וְהַקְּלָלָ֑ה וּבָֽחַרְתָּ֙ בַּֽחַיִּ֔ים לְמַ֥עַן תִּֽחְיֶ֖ה אַתָּ֥ה וְזַרְעֶֽךָ:

20To love the Lord your God, to listen to His voice, and to cleave to Him. For that is your life and the length of your days, to dwell on the land which the Lord swore to your forefathers to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob to give to them. כלְאַֽהֲבָה֙ אֶת־יְהֹוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֔יךָ לִשְׁמֹ֥עַ בְּקֹל֖וֹ וּלְדָבְקָה־ב֑וֹ כִּ֣י ה֤וּא חַיֶּ֨יךָ֙ וְאֹ֣רֶךְ יָמֶ֔יךָ לָשֶׁ֣בֶת עַל־הָֽאֲדָמָ֗ה אֲשֶׁר֩ נִשְׁבַּ֨ע יְהֹוָ֧ה לַֽאֲבֹתֶ֛יךָ לְאַבְרָהָ֛ם לְיִצְחָ֥ק וּלְיַֽעֲקֹ֖ב לָתֵ֥ת לָהֶֽם:

Imperatives of Christ Jesus.

It is my firm belief that we should study the Scriptures and IF God send-proclaim the D'var of Christ and His Imperatives to a lost and dying world.

Johann.
 
How about John 17:3 and 1 Cor 8:6? John 17:3 looks like a Granville Sharp's Rule case. What can you say about 1 Cor 8:6?

(John 17:3) And this is life eternal, that they might know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

(1 Cor 8:6) but there is to us only one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we by Him.

I'm not sure if those passages are discussed in detail but you might like this:

 
I'm not sure if those passages are discussed in detail but you might like this:

The biggest mistake made by unitarians is isolating 17:3 from its context.

A text without the context is a pretext for a prooftext. They are proof texting.

John 17:5 Jesus reveals He is Eternal in the same way the Father is Eternal that they are equal since eternal life is found only in God. And in 17:3 it is only found in THEM. THEY were TOGETHER with One another BEFORE CREATION. Only God existed before creation.

The other mistake is abusing the word only to suit their false premise that Christ is not God. But when we show them the same word only used in many places about Christ and not the Father they want to have their cake and eat it too. It works both ways in applying the world ONLY to both the Father and the Son.
 
It only mentions John 17:3 (I think) but nothing in detail about it. Same with 1 Cor. 8:6.
1 Cor 8:6 was mentioned in one of the footnotes; nevertheless, the book appears to be a very good reference handbook that promotes Trinitarianism. By the way, do you know of any good pro-Trinitarian book that goes into the Greek OT (LXX) and Greek NT to properly teach Trinitarianism, for an English audience?
 
do you know of any good pro-Trinitarian book that goes into the Greek OT (LXX) and Greek NT to properly teach Trinitarianism, for an English audience?

Hi synergy,

A few questions:
(1) Would the focus primarily (or exclusively) focus on the Deity of Christ?
(2) What specific topic (or topics) are you seeking? - ...Titles, worship, comparing what the LXX reads in connection with the NT?
(3) Any specific passages?
 
It only mentions John 17:3 (I think) but nothing in detail about it. Same with 1 Cor. 8:6.


John 17:3
Yes I read those comments and the strongest case of all the mentioned texts with GS rule is 2 Peter 1:1 since He mentions He is Savior and Lord in 4 other places with the exact same construction meaning the same person being called Savior is also Lord just like we read in 1:1 as He is both our God and Savior. Titus 2:13 has the same construction as well. Unitarians have no credible exegetical argument to disprove it and the result is eisegesis reading their own presuppositions into the text to try and disprove the deity of Christ.

I use to dismantle Elpis, Robr and John Milton and all the other Unitarians back then all the time on the old CARM Trinity and language forums with 2 Peter and Titus verses above.
 
Hi synergy,

A few questions:
(1) Would the focus primarily (or exclusively) focus on the Deity of Christ?
Primarily on Christ's Deity (to dispell Arianism) but also the Holy Spirit's Deity.
(2) What specific topic (or topics) are you seeking? - ...Titles, worship, comparing what the LXX reads in connection with the NT?
The evolution of the titles of God from Hebrew Text to the Greek OT (LXX) to the Greek NT. The apocrypha of the Greek OT should be included as they were put aside by the Jews when they realized that many "Greek heresies" were being formed in them.
(3) Any specific passages?
John 1 for sure but I'm ok whatever the author chooses beyond that.

Thanks!
 
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Yes I read those comments and the strongest case of all the mentioned texts with GS rule is 2 Peter 1:1 since He mentions He is Savior and Lord in 4 other places with the exact same construction meaning the same person being called Savior is also Lord just like we read in 1:1 as He is both our God and Savior. Titus 2:13 has the same construction as well. Unitarians have no credible exegetical argument to disprove it and the result is eisegesis reading their own presuppositions into the text to try and disprove the deity of Christ.

There are two things (in addition to what you pointed out) that stand out to me concerning 2 Peter 1:1.

1. Arianism is refuted in 2 Peter 1:1, and then Modalism is refuted in 2 Peter 1:2.

2 Peter 1:1-2
(1) Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours,
by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christo:
(2) Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.

2. Peter from the very beginning refers to the Lord Jesus as "God" (1:1), and then at the very end this truth is once again affirmed in that He (Jesus) is the proper recipient of a doxology.
2 Peter 3:18
but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
 
Primarily on Christ's Deity (to dispell Arianism) but also the Holy Spirit's Diety.

The evolution of the titles of God from Hebrew Text to the Greek OT (LXX) to the Greek NT. The apocrypha of the Greek OT should be included as they were put aside by the Jews when they realized that many "Greek heresies" were being formed in them.

John 1 for sure but I'm ok whatever the author chooses beyond that.

Thanks!

Need to go out for about an hour.
Lord willing I'll get back to you on this.
 
Primarily on Christ's Deity (to dispell Arianism) but also the Holy Spirit's Diety.

The evolution of the titles of God from Hebrew Text to the Greek OT (LXX) to the Greek NT. The apocrypha of the Greek OT should be included as they were ditched by the Jews when they realized that many "Greek heresies" were being formed in them.

John 1 for sure but I'm ok whatever the author chooses beyond that.

Thanks!
We do know that the Greek translation of YHWH in the O.T. is Lord( κύριος ) in the NT. Its the strongest case for the deity of Christ in the NT since the Septuagint word for YHWH is (κύριος) Lord/YHWH.
 
There are two things (in addition to what you pointed out) that stand out to me concerning 2 Peter 1:1.

1. Arianism is refuted in 2 Peter 1:1, and then Modalism is refuted in 2 Peter 1:2.

2 Peter 1:1-2
(1) Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours,
by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christo:
(2) Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.

2. Peter from the very beginning refers to the Lord Jesus as "God" (1:1), and then at the very end this truth is once again affirmed in that He (Jesus) is the proper recipient of a doxology.
2 Peter 3:18
but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
Amen !

2 Peter 1:1
τοῦ θεοῦ ἡμῶν καὶ σωτῆρος Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ

2 Peter 1:11
τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν καὶ σωτῆρος Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ

2 Peter 1:1
our God and Savior, Jesus Christ

2 Peter 1:11
our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ

We have a second person possessive pronoun "Our" modifying two different improper nouns (God and Savior) joined by "and" (Kia) to identify a proper noun (Jesus) [Granville/Sharp's]. Therefore, by basic grammar, we are identifying Jesus as God and Savior. We don't even have to know the Greek to see that Jesus is being called both God and Savior/ Lord and Savior in Peters 2nd Epistle. 2 Peter 2:20 and 2 Peter 3:18 also have the same Greek construction as 1:1 and 1:11.

But for those interested in the Greek here is the comparison of 1:1 and 1:11.

τοῦ is the same.
ἡμῶν is the same.
καὶ is the same.
Σωτῆρος is the same.
Ἰησοῦ is the same.
Χριστοῦ· is the same.

And all in the same order.

The only difference is the noun "Θεοῦ" in v.1, while "Κυρίου" is in v.11.

So if he wants to deny that Jesus is "God" ("theou") in v.1, then he has to deny that Jesus is "Lord" ("kuriou") in v.11. Otherwise he's being inconsistent and dishonest with the text. To say otherwise is proof positive one has an agenda when reading scripture and using eisegesis rather than exegesis of the biblical text in question.
 
Thanks alot for sharing that pro-Trinitarian book! Much appreciated. By the way, it does mention the 2 verses I inquired about.
Jesus as Yahweh in 2 Peter 1:1

There is not nearly as much exegetical evidence in the context of 2 Peter 1:1 to consider in
seeking to understand what Peter meant by calling Jesus Christ “God.”

However, what evidence
there is once again supports the conclusion that Peter meant this in the highest possible sense –
that is, identifying Jesus Christ as Yahweh.
First of all, everything that was said with reference to Titus 2:13 about the significance of
the expression “our God and Savior” also applies here. As in Titus 2:13, the expression identifies
Jesus as Yahweh because of the frequent association of the two titles for Yahweh in the LXX.
Again it must be emphasized that the OT uses these two titles together for no one other than
Yahweh.

In discussing Titus 2:13 we mentioned Isaiah 45:21, where the Lord says through Isaiah,
“I am God [ho theos], and there is no other besides me, a righteous [God] and Savior [dikaios kai
sôtêr].”

This verse provides the closest OT background to Peter’s phrase, “the righteousness of
our God and Savior” (dikaiosunê tou theou hêmôn kai sôtêros). In the immediate context of
Isaiah, Yahweh goes on to say that “righteousness” (dikaiosunê) will come from him (v. 23).


This OT background further confirms that when Peter calls Jesus God, he means that he is
Yahweh, the only God and Savior of the OT.

There is at least one other reason from the context in support of understanding Peter to be
identifying Jesus as Yahweh. In the very last verse of 2 Peter, after urging his readers to “grow in
the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,” (3:18a), Peter adds immediately,
“To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen” (3:18b).

As Harris notes, there
is absolutely no ambiguity about the fact that the closing line is a doxology to Jesus Christ.80

To
this observation we would add one additional point. This doxology, coming at the very end of the
epistle, completes what is known as an inclusio with the reference to Jesus as God at the very
beginning of the epistle. In an inclusio the opening and closing of a text are closely related or
parallel, resulting in the text coming “full circle” back to where it began. This inclusio
strengthens the argument for applying the noun theos to Jesus.

The epistle would then open with
Peter referring to “our God and Savior Jesus Christ” and close with him referring to “our Lord
and Savior Jesus Christ.” What is already grammatically clear enough, that in both texts one
person is meant, is confirmed by the relationship between the two verses in the inclusio.

80Harris, Jesus as God, 235.
Bowman/Sharp’s Rule – page 41
Moreover, the doxology shows that we are to honor Jesus as the Lord God. It is fitting that an
epistle that ends with a doxology to Jesus Christ opens with an affirmation of the divine dignity
that justifies such a doxology.
The contextual evidence, then, shows that in 2 Peter 1:1, as in Titus 2:13, Jesus Christ is
given the title “God” in a way that clearly identifies Jesus as the God of the OT – Yahweh.

Fully in agreement here-and @synergy We have the LXX-my advise to you would be to read rabbinical sources.
Just go through my posts and see where I find them.
Shalom brother.
J.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Sha...UKEwijn4r74cqAAxUpWkEAHb34Bw4QkeECKAB6BAgIEAE
 
Jesus as Yahweh in 2 Peter 1:1

There is not nearly as much exegetical evidence in the context of 2 Peter 1:1 to consider in
seeking to understand what Peter meant by calling Jesus Christ “God.”

However, what evidence
there is once again supports the conclusion that Peter meant this in the highest possible sense –
that is, identifying Jesus Christ as Yahweh.
First of all, everything that was said with reference to Titus 2:13 about the significance of
the expression “our God and Savior” also applies here. As in Titus 2:13, the expression identifies
Jesus as Yahweh because of the frequent association of the two titles for Yahweh in the LXX.
Again it must be emphasized that the OT uses these two titles together for no one other than
Yahweh.

In discussing Titus 2:13 we mentioned Isaiah 45:21, where the Lord says through Isaiah,
“I am God [ho theos], and there is no other besides me, a righteous [God] and Savior [dikaios kai
sôtêr].”

This verse provides the closest OT background to Peter’s phrase, “the righteousness of
our God and Savior” (dikaiosunê tou theou hêmôn kai sôtêros). In the immediate context of
Isaiah, Yahweh goes on to say that “righteousness” (dikaiosunê) will come from him (v. 23).


This OT background further confirms that when Peter calls Jesus God, he means that he is
Yahweh, the only God and Savior of the OT.

There is at least one other reason from the context in support of understanding Peter to be
identifying Jesus as Yahweh. In the very last verse of 2 Peter, after urging his readers to “grow in
the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,” (3:18a), Peter adds immediately,
“To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen” (3:18b).

As Harris notes, there
is absolutely no ambiguity about the fact that the closing line is a doxology to Jesus Christ.80

To
this observation we would add one additional point. This doxology, coming at the very end of the
epistle, completes what is known as an inclusio with the reference to Jesus as God at the very
beginning of the epistle. In an inclusio the opening and closing of a text are closely related or
parallel, resulting in the text coming “full circle” back to where it began. This inclusio
strengthens the argument for applying the noun theos to Jesus.

The epistle would then open with
Peter referring to “our God and Savior Jesus Christ” and close with him referring to “our Lord
and Savior Jesus Christ.” What is already grammatically clear enough, that in both texts one
person is meant, is confirmed by the relationship between the two verses in the inclusio.

80Harris, Jesus as God, 235.
Bowman/Sharp’s Rule – page 41
Moreover, the doxology shows that we are to honor Jesus as the Lord God. It is fitting that an
epistle that ends with a doxology to Jesus Christ opens with an affirmation of the divine dignity
that justifies such a doxology.
The contextual evidence, then, shows that in 2 Peter 1:1, as in Titus 2:13, Jesus Christ is
given the title “God” in a way that clearly identifies Jesus as the God of the OT – Yahweh.

Fully in agreement here-and @synergy We have the LXX-my advise to you would be to read rabbinical sources.
Just go through my posts and see where I find them.
Shalom brother.
J.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Sharp’s+Rule+and+Anti+Trinitarian+Theology:&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwijn4r74cqAAxUpWkEAHb34Bw4QkeECKAB6BAgIEAE
I like your Bowman reference above I'm friends with Rob. :) He is such a great man of God, a defender of truth and a great apologist. I have learned allot from him over the years.
 
Jesus as Yahweh in 2 Peter 1:1

There is not nearly as much exegetical evidence in the context of 2 Peter 1:1 to consider in
seeking to understand what Peter meant by calling Jesus Christ “God.”

However, what evidence
there is once again supports the conclusion that Peter meant this in the highest possible sense –
that is, identifying Jesus Christ as Yahweh.
First of all, everything that was said with reference to Titus 2:13 about the significance of
the expression “our God and Savior” also applies here. As in Titus 2:13, the expression identifies
Jesus as Yahweh because of the frequent association of the two titles for Yahweh in the LXX.
Again it must be emphasized that the OT uses these two titles together for no one other than
Yahweh.

In discussing Titus 2:13 we mentioned Isaiah 45:21, where the Lord says through Isaiah,
“I am God [ho theos], and there is no other besides me, a righteous [God] and Savior [dikaios kai
sôtêr].”

This verse provides the closest OT background to Peter’s phrase, “the righteousness of
our God and Savior” (dikaiosunê tou theou hêmôn kai sôtêros). In the immediate context of
Isaiah, Yahweh goes on to say that “righteousness” (dikaiosunê) will come from him (v. 23).


This OT background further confirms that when Peter calls Jesus God, he means that he is
Yahweh, the only God and Savior of the OT.

There is at least one other reason from the context in support of understanding Peter to be
identifying Jesus as Yahweh. In the very last verse of 2 Peter, after urging his readers to “grow in
the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,” (3:18a), Peter adds immediately,
“To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen” (3:18b).

As Harris notes, there
is absolutely no ambiguity about the fact that the closing line is a doxology to Jesus Christ.80

To
this observation we would add one additional point. This doxology, coming at the very end of the
epistle, completes what is known as an inclusio with the reference to Jesus as God at the very
beginning of the epistle. In an inclusio the opening and closing of a text are closely related or
parallel, resulting in the text coming “full circle” back to where it began. This inclusio
strengthens the argument for applying the noun theos to Jesus.

The epistle would then open with
Peter referring to “our God and Savior Jesus Christ” and close with him referring to “our Lord
and Savior Jesus Christ.” What is already grammatically clear enough, that in both texts one
person is meant, is confirmed by the relationship between the two verses in the inclusio.

80Harris, Jesus as God, 235.
Bowman/Sharp’s Rule – page 41
Moreover, the doxology shows that we are to honor Jesus as the Lord God. It is fitting that an
epistle that ends with a doxology to Jesus Christ opens with an affirmation of the divine dignity
that justifies such a doxology.
The contextual evidence, then, shows that in 2 Peter 1:1, as in Titus 2:13, Jesus Christ is
given the title “God” in a way that clearly identifies Jesus as the God of the OT – Yahweh.

Fully in agreement here-and @synergy We have the LXX-my advise to you would be to read rabbinical sources.
Just go through my posts and see where I find them.
Shalom brother.
J.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Sharp’s+Rule+and+Anti+Trinitarian+Theology:&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwijn4r74cqAAxUpWkEAHb34Bw4QkeECKAB6BAgIEAE
Unfortunately, my Hebrew is non-existant. Your information is extremely helpful but I need something on the level of the video "Jesus is God" that you told us about. That video was excellent!!! That's the level I'm at when it comes to understanding the Hebrew Text. I need to put everything into historical context, step by step. I need to understand the "why's" of the text as much as I understand the text itself. That's just me.
 
I like your Bowman reference above I'm friends with Rob. :) He is such a great man of God, a defender of truth and a great apologist. I have learned allot from him over the years.
From observation I would say we have one or two upcoming apologists on this Forum-great to see how you and @synergy are like the noble Bereans.
My pathos is to listen to scholarly debates-The rabbis and Imam's-for years now and see what sources they are using.

-and what a flood of light it throws upon our Bible.
Shalom brother.
J.
 
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