Why The Trinity is Wrong: Definition

[civic]

Yes, but we are not talking about any of the dozens of lords in the Scripture. Try to keep up.

or the dozens of gods.

this works both ways. There is only one Lord, one Sovereign- Christ

try to keep up

 

[synergy]

What translation says uncreated?

Read John 1:3 and tell me if the Word is created or not.

 

[GeneZ]

What translation says uncreated?

The Greek tense does in Philippians 2:6.

6~~Who {Christ}, though He eternally existed in the essence of God,
He did not think equalities {plural} with God
a gain to be seized {means to violently take and held}.


There is so much you just do not know...
God is going to snap you like a turtle if you persist.

 

[Wrangler]

I never asked you about his Son of God title.

Diversion it is. It's as though only you get to dictate the topic of conversation! This thread is about definition. Jesus, being the Son of God, is not God - by definition.

All you got is distraction. "I never asked about his son of god title." I only want to entertain thoughts that support my manmade doctrine.

 

[Wrangler]

Read John 1:3 and tell me if the Word is created or not.

Philippians 2:6.

Extreme eisegesis.

Mark 7:13

New Living Translation

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13 And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others.”

 

[Wrangler]

or the dozens of gods.

this works both ways.

No. It does not work both ways. There is no Trinity verse. There is no "there is only God the trinity of F, S & HS."

It's like the absence of any evidence what so ever to support your position does not matter. You feel intellectually redeemed by replacing the word "god" as the subject under discussion with another word as a means to claim victory.

How very intellectually dishonest are trinitarians in defending their manmade doctrine.

 

[APAK]

Sorry to rain on your parade but there is no comma between God and our Father in the Greek. What's going to be your next rabbit hole?

No commas and punctuation indeed, as with any written sentence structure back then. Although the spoken words evidentially in contention would have be voiced as if there were a pause, as in a written comma don't you think? The context shows that no one (especially the disciples) knew of Christ as God only that they were told by Christ himself that his Father would raise him from the dead, and he did. So the context bears out the fact that Timothy was saying in a meaningful way, with surprising words: my Lord, Jesus (the Christ) and my Father God, who raised him. Not really complicated to understand at all I would think.

 

[synergy]

Diversion it is. It's as though only you get to dictate the topic of conversation! This thread is about definition. Jesus, being the Son of God, is not God - by definition.

All you got is distraction. "I never asked about his son of god title." I only want to entertain thoughts that support my manmade doctrine.

You are just too hilarious. You continue to run away from the titles that do define Jesus as Divine such as "I Am!", "my God!", and His "Son of Man" (Dan 7:13-14) titles. When will you address them? Run Wrangler Run!

 

[synergy]

No commas and punctuation indeed, as with any written sentence structure back then. Although the spoken words evidentially in contention would have be voiced as if there were a pause, as in a written comma don't you think? The context shows that no one (especially the disciples) knew of Christ as God only that they were told by Christ himself that his Father would raise him from the dead, and he did. So the context bears out the fact that Timothy was saying in a meaningful way, with surprising words: my Lord, Jesus (the Christ) and my Father God, who raised him. Not really complicated to understand at all I would think.

"God the Father" is how it translates from the Koine Greek. No pause within the phrase is required.

(1 Cor 8:6) ἀλλ᾿ ἡμῖν εἷς Θεὸς ὁ πατήρ, ἐξ οὗ τὰ πάντα καὶ ἡμεῖς εἰς αὐτόν, καὶ εἷς Κύριος ᾿Ιησοῦς Χριστός, δι᾿ οὗ τὰ πάντα καὶ ἡμεῖς δι᾿ αὐτοῦ.

Also, Paul already knows that Jesus is Divine when he wrote that Epistle. Not really complicated to understand.

That is verse we have been debating. Are you referring to another verse?

 

[101G]

Let's say someone says "I alone said hi".
Does that mean that 1) he was the only one who said "hi" amongst others or 2) that he was alone when he said it?

Test the Spirit and test the language.

let's say what God said. ... NOW was God "ALONE?" yes or NO.

101G.

 

[synergy]

Extreme eisegesis.

Mark 7:13​

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New Living Translation​

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13 And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others.”

John 1:3 is the word of God. I told you to read it. Have you done so yet?

 

[APAK]

"God the Father" is how it translates from the Koine Greek. No pause within the phrase is required.

(1 Cor 8:6) ἀλλ᾿ ἡμῖν εἷς Θεὸς ὁ πατήρ, ἐξ οὗ τὰ πάντα καὶ ἡμεῖς εἰς αὐτόν, καὶ εἷς Κύριος ᾿Ιησοῦς Χριστός, δι᾿ οὗ τὰ πάντα καὶ ἡμεῖς δι᾿ αὐτοῦ.

Also, Paul already knows that Jesus is Divine when he wrote that Epistle. Not really complicated to understand.

That is verse we have been debating. Are you referring to another verse?

Now S. there's big difference between divinity and deity. They are not interchangeable. Have the characteristics of divinity does not necessarily make one a deity. I believe Christ shared and exhibited divine characteristics of his Father whilst on earth. In fact he could not help it if you get my drift....

 

[Joy]

Now S. there's big difference between divinity and deity. They are not interchangeable. Have the characteristics of divinity does not necessarily make one a deity. I believe Christ shared and exhibited divine characteristics of his Father whilst on earth. In fact he could not help it if you get my drift....

I agree with you. Jesus was the perfect reflection of his Father in heaven. As Jesus said to see him was to see the Father. They are one in mind and spirit.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Now S. there's big difference between divinity and deity. They are not interchangeable. Have the characteristics of divinity does not necessarily make one a deity. I believe Christ shared and exhibited divine characteristics of his Father whilst on earth. In fact he could not help it if you get my drift....

Can you explain this "BIG" difference? I see a claim without evidence establishing such a claim.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I agree with you. Jesus was the perfect reflection of his Father in heaven. As Jesus said to see him was to see the Father. They are one in mind and spirit.

This is not Unitarianism. Some semblance of "Oneness" maybe but not Unitarianism.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Diversion it is. It's as though only you get to dictate the topic of conversation! This thread is about definition. Jesus, being the Son of God, is not God - by definition.

All you got is distraction. "I never asked about his son of god title." I only want to entertain thoughts that support my manmade doctrine.

Like your wife isn't part of you?

How are you not equal in your own son?

 

[praise_yeshua]

let's say what God said. ... NOW was God "ALONE?" yes or NO.

101G.

There is context to "alone". "All things equal"... there is no contradiction.

 

[praise_yeshua]

No commas and punctuation indeed, as with any written sentence structure back then. Although the spoken words evidentially in contention would have be voiced as if there were a pause, as in a written comma don't you think? The context shows that no one (especially the disciples) knew of Christ as God only that they were told by Christ himself that his Father would raise him from the dead, and he did. So the context bears out the fact that Timothy was saying in a meaningful way, with surprising words: my Lord, Jesus (the Christ) and my Father God, who raised him. Not really complicated to understand at all I would think.

When God says something concerning Himself. It is always more complicated than it appears.

There are limitations to verbal/written communications. Which one of the reasons that God has written His laws on our heart. Writings and communications so vast that parchment can't hold them.

You're picking a temporal condition as absolute indication of an Eternal state. Jesus Christ grew in strength. Jesus Christ changed. What you fail to realize that there is much more to Jesus Christ than these temporal states relate.

Why do you insist on "dumbing down" the complexity of Eternal things?

 

[synergy]

let's say what God said. ... NOW was God "ALONE?" yes or NO.

101G.

Same thing. The word "alone" works on the described action, not on the person. God did not say he was alone. He said that He alone stretched out the heaven. Do you see the difference?

 

[GeneZ]

Extreme eisegesis.

Mark 7:13​

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New Living Translation​

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13 And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others.”

You have no real rebuttal....
Only canned talking points.

When it comes to knowing God?
You are a loser.
1 Cor 3:11-15


Everyone here with sense should do the forum a favor and put you on Ignore.

Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him.​

You'd make me hate coming here if there were no Ignore feature..

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