Why The Trinity is Wrong: Definition

[praise_yeshua]

@praise_yeshua,
THE HOW.
Lets go back to Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
and NOW WE WILL UNDERSTAND the term "GOD".

God: H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433

see that [plural of H433] well let's see what H433 is,
GOD: H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator, Yahweh by name.
3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.
Root(s): H410

Notice the [plural of H433] of, of, of, not from, but of. LISTEN CAREFULLY. "of" translates the genitive case of nouns, with various shades of meaning. Of these the subjective and objective are mentioned. here, indicating an association between two entities, typically one of belonging.

of, not From, just as Equal to vs Equal WITH, Oh this is too easy not to be understood. the "Lord" is the EQUAL SHARE OF, OF, OF, God in Flesh bone and Blood that was to COME IN, IN, IN, TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK.

101G.

You must be careful in trying to making an argument based solely upon a Hebrew Lexicon. In many cases, we do not know what Hebrew words mean apart from their use in other languages.

There is no reason to accept your conclusion based upon your insistence that you know what you can't know.

 

[praise_yeshua]

@praise_yeshua
when ONE KNOW and UNDERSTAND God is a ECHAD of himself in DIVERSITY, then all Doctrine and beliefs are revealed. and all IGNORANCE cast into the sea of no return.

and YES, "Diversity" is in the Bible. see God gave 101G a NEW TONGUE. not a different tongue, or unknown tongue, but a NEW TONGUE. Mark 16:15 "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:17 "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;" Amen.

101G.

So you are Pentecostal?

 

[synergy]

Personal Opinion? ... (smile).

101G.

Public Opinion of Koine Greek OT (LXX) and NT.

The Brenton OT is based on the Koine Greek OT. The KJV is not. You have placed yourself up against the Apostles who endorsed the LXX by copying from it to create their NT Epistles. I strongly advise that you do not oppose the writings and endorsements of the Apostles.

 

[101G]

You must be careful in trying to making an argument based solely upon a Hebrew Lexicon. In many cases, we do not know what Hebrew words mean apart from their use in other languages.

There is no reason to accept your conclusion based upon your insistence that you know what you can't know.

Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts." Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:" Isaiah 28:11 "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people."

you don't have to accept what 101G say, but 101G is saying what God said to him. and if you can prove 101G wrong ... by the scriptures, then do it. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

101G.

 

[GeneZ]

The reason scholars came up with the concept of the Trinity was because in their studies they were finding passages that state the Son and the Holy Spirit are also God.

 

[101G]

So you are Pentecostal?

AM I? ... (smile)... LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh dear

101G.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts." Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:" Isaiah 28:11 "For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people."

you don't have to accept what 101G say, but 101G is saying what God said to him. and if you can prove 101G wrong ... by the scriptures, then do it. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."

101G.

You shouldn't consider yourself to have Spiritual knowledge that hasn't been imparted to others in Christ. We are all children of God and have access to the same "teet".

 

[101G]

Public Opinion of Koine Greek OT (LXX) and NT.

The Brenton OT is based on the Koine Greek OT. The KJV is not. You have placed yourself up against the Apostles who endorsed the LXX by copying from it to create their NT Epistles. I strongly advise that you do not oppose the writings and endorsements of the Apostles.

are you Jealous? just because God gave 101G the revelation and not U.

101G.

 

[praise_yeshua]

AM I? ... (smile)... LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh dear

101G.

It wasn't a criticism. It is just indicative of your surroundings. We all have "baggage". I fight showing it...

 

[praise_yeshua]

are you Jealous? just because God gave 101G the revelation and not U.

101G.

See. I knew that was coming...

 

[101G]

You shouldn't consider yourself to have Spiritual knowledge that hasn't been imparted to others in Christ.

it has.

We are all children of God and have access to the same "teet"

well good, then do as the bible states, 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:16 "But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness."

well produce scriptures to prove 101G in ERROR...... well?

101G.

 

[101G]

See. I knew that was coming...

U see? (smile), no you don't..... now do you have any scriptures to produce?

101G.

 

[synergy]

are you Jealous? just because God gave 101G the revelation and not U.

101G.

I honestly wish you all of God's Revelations. I'm just concerned that you make sure that your revelation is actually from God. It's not a good sign when a revelation opposes the Apostles.

 

[praise_yeshua]

it has.

well good, then do as the bible states, 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:16 "But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness."

well produce scriptures to prove 101G in ERROR...... well?

101G.

You made an argument based solely upon what you believe to be a common definition of an ancient Hebrew word from a specific edition of the Bible. Why should I try to prove you in error when you've restricted what you will accept as evidence.

 

[101G]

I'm just concerned that you make sure that your revelation is actually from God. It's not a good sign when a revelation opposes the Apostles.

well put your scriptures on the table and let's see if they add up or Not. test the spirit by the Spirit.

101G.

 

[101G]

You made an argument based solely upon what you believe to be a common definition of an ancient Hebrew word from a specific edition of the Bible. Why should I try to prove you in error when you've restricted what you will accept as evidence.

Test the spirit by the Spirit,

101G will go first. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

101G say this is the same ONE PERSON in the ECHAD that "MADE ALL THINGS" do you agree, yes or No?

101G.

 

[101G]

@synergy, you can Partake in post #436 ... if you like... (smile).

101G

 

[synergy]

well put your scriptures on the table and let's see if they add up or Not. test the spirit by the Spirit.

101G.

First of all, you need to get an English translation of the Koine Greek OT (LXX). I've found the Brenton OT to be one. The NETS version is more modern but I have not used it yet. Read Isaiah 41:4 and 48:12 in the Brenton OT version and you will see a big difference between it and the KJV.

As for Rev 1, there is no need to go to the Koine Greek NT. The English text is clear enough about the fact that Jesus explains the terms Alpha and Omega as meaning the Beginning and the End. The Word of God, Jesus, has eternally existed and is the beginning and ending of all things. Now how one goes from that to saying the Father and the Son are one person I have no idea.

 

[101G]

Brenton OT

what do it say concerning Isaiah 44:24, will you kindly post it please?

101G

 

[101G]

The Word of God, Jesus, has eternally existed and is the beginning and ending of all things.

if so please post what your Brenton OT say concerning Isaiah 44:24, will you kindly post it please?

then we will see how many existed eternally.

101G.