APAK
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I think you need to get over yourself with this kind of response, and find the effort to respond to my post don't you think? Unless you have none to give which I suspect.
Why The Trinity is Wrong: Definition
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APAK
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Well Synergy I don't know of any pleasantries and I do not agree with all of Arius' view, although most of them. You seem to assume to much don't you think?
By the way I did not get an email that said you responded to me here. I just happened to find this post by chance....
One thing that Arius spoke of is that Yahshua was and is a human person. I agree with that, do you?
civic
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Amen !
Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the Lord God Almighty !
These passages in Revelation make it clear that Jesus is God. Remember it is Jesus in the NT who is Coming back to earth that every eye will see. It was Jesus who was pierced on the cross for our sins. John is clearly once again calling Jesus God!!!!!!! The Coming and the coming in the clouds never refers to the Father in the NT but always to Jesus.
Revelation 1:7-8
7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.
8 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
We know from Revelation 1:8 that Alpha and Omega is the Almighty. So we can see that Christ is the Almighty
Revelation 1:17-And when I saw Him, I fell at his feet as dead. And He laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I Am the first and the last:
We know from Revelation 1:17-18 that the first and the last is He that lives, was dead but is alive forevermore is Christ.
Revelation 2:8
"To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again.
Revelation 22:12-13
12 "Behold, I Am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. 13 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
We know from Revelation 22:13 that the first and the last is the Alpha and Omega.
Revelation 22:16,20
16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star."
20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I Am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
The immediate text clearly tells us that it was Jesus who was pierced and who is Coming in the clouds. This person coming in the clouds is God(Jesus-the Son of Man),
Daniel 7:13-14
And behold, with the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.
14 "And to Him was given dominion,
Glory and a kingdom,
That all the peoples, nations and men of every language
Might serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion
Which will not pass away;
And His kingdom is one
Which will not be destroyed.
Matthew 24:30-31
30 "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.
Matthew 26:64
Jesus said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."
1 Thessalonians 4:17-18
Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
Revelation 1:7-8
7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.
8 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
So we can see that the One who comes/is coming in the NT always refers to Jesus the Son of Man and NEVER refers to the Father. Therefore we can conclude it is Jesus who is coming whom John calls God the Alpha and Omega. This is sound biblical exegesis based on the context of the passage as well as the principle established in both Testaments on the One who is Coming in/with the Clouds- The Son of Man not the Father !!!!!!
Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
'I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.
Isaiah 48:12
"Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called;
I am He, I am the first, I am also the last.
hope this helps !!!
P
The Word of God created all things. John 1:3 proves that.
Isaiah 44:24 (Brenton) says "I stretched out the heaven alone" but that does not neccesarily mean that He was alone. Just like I talked alone in front of an audience. Nobody in the audience talked but I was not alone because there was an audience.
24Thus saith the Lord that redeems thee, and who formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that performs all things: I stretched out the heaven alone, and established the earth.
GeneZ
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No, it was THE answer to why we see so many inane, drawn out, debates.
Jesus could end every single debate with a declaration.
Then, walk away with some in total disagreement.
And, leave some to talk behind his back as he kept walking.
Jesus did not persist when he knew some were under the compulsion to never agree.....
But He always took the time to answer those who were curious and wanted to better understand.
and... no. I am not Jesus.
101G
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Just one test of your
seem like your Brenton OT is shooting you in the foot. ..... BOTH of them.....
.. Good day.
101G.
Test the Spirit by the Spirit
Isaiah 44:24 (Brenton) says "I stretched out the heaven alone" but that does not neccesarily mean that He was alone,,, LOL, NONESENSE, Alone, "having no one else present". ... (smile), Oh Dear. but LISTEN and LEARN, 2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." when you said, "but that does not neccesarily mean that He was alone." that's a private interpretation.
seem like your Brenton OT is shooting you in the foot. ..... BOTH of them.....
.. Good day.101G.
Test the Spirit by the Spirit
APAK
Active member
You know I get the strong impression you have a distinct 'holier than thou' attitude. So in all these words, once again, in two posts now, you are just really saying I want to avoid answering your post(s). Well then I will not attempt to disturb your Zen moments of being god-like or even being as Christ.
If you want to get back down to earth with me and discuss scripture, or the history of the development of the 'Christian' faith them look me up.
Until that time see ya...I will not waste any more of my time on you at this point
GeneZ
Well-known member
One must discern whom he speaks to.
Some would be profitable and edifying...
Others will spend too much of your time projecting their own deficiencies upon you.
Keep walkin.....
Keoni
Member
“God Is a Trinity.” Come on said it...you know you want to. We’ve arrived here of necessity, by force of logic, the logic of faith.
Scriptures and the church assume that salvation is provided by God alone as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, it is clear that all three must equally be this God; all three together must be a Trinity.
Scriptures and the church assume that salvation is provided by God alone as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, it is clear that all three must equally be this God; all three together must be a Trinity.
Let's say someone says "I alone said hi".Just one test of your
Isaiah 44:24 (Brenton) says "I stretched out the heaven alone" but that does not neccesarily mean that He was alone,,, LOL, NONESENSE, Alone, "having no one else present". ... (smile), Oh Dear. but LISTEN and LEARN, 2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." when you said, "but that does not neccesarily mean that He was alone." that's a private interpretation.
seem like your Brenton OT is shooting you in the foot. ..... BOTH of them.....
101G.
Test the Spirit by the Spirit
Does that mean that 1) he was the only one who said "hi" amongst others or 2) that he was alone when he said it?
Test the Spirit and test the language.
Wrangler
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Yet, Scripture actually says there is one God, the Father. No trinity, no F, S & HS. Ever wonder why?
Wrangler
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Going back to the OP, the trinity is wrong because of definition. Jesus is explicitly called the Son of God, which by definition proves he is not God. To that you divert attention, call names, pretend I am running, etc.
Wrangler
Well-known member
That happens to me very frequently. Most be a glitch in the software.
The Uncreated Word of God became flesh and dwelt among us. (John 1:14).
Wrangler
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What translation says uncreated?
civic
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And One Lord, Jesus Christ.
Sorry to rain on your parade but there is no comma between God and our Father in the Greek. What's going to be your next rabbit hole?
Wrangler
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Yes, but we are not talking about any of the dozens of lords in the Scripture. Try to keep up.And One Lord, Jesus Christ.
I never asked you about his Son of God title. I asked you about His "I Am!", "my God!", and His "Son of Man" (Dan 7:13-14) titles. When will you address them?
