When Grace is not Grace

[civic]

Most of what you post is about Augustine, Barnes, Calvin, a host of other theologians, and commentaries, and anything else you can dredge up to attack Calvinism. And you do it knowing that most of us here (including me) aren't even Calvinists. You just have an obsession. You should probably get help.

No more than you are obsessed with free willers

You might want to get help

 

[Presby02]

Most of what you post is about Augustine, Barnes, Calvin, a host of other theologians, and commentaries, and anything else you can dredge up to attack Calvinism. And you do it knowing that most of us here (including me) aren't even Calvinists. You just have an obsession. You should probably get help.

Amen

 

[TomL]

Most of what you post is about Augustine, Barnes, Calvin, a host of other theologians, and commentaries, and anything else you can dredge up to attack Calvinism. And you do it knowing that most of us here (including me) aren't even Calvinists. You just have an obsession. You should probably get help.

You have been influenced by Calvinistic theology and have advocated for doctrine that is Calvinistic

 

[Presby02]

You have been influenced by Calvinistic theology and have advocated for doctrine that is Calvinistic

You have no influences?

 

[TomL]

You have no influences?

influences yes, but an influence need not be determinative

 

[Presby02]

influences yes, but an influence need not be determinative

Who said it did?

 

[TomL]

Who said it did?

Everything is externally determined in your theology

 

[Presby02]

Everything is externally determined in your theology

Yup. Your very post was externally determined.

 

[civic]

You have been influenced by Calvinistic theology and have advocated for doctrine that is Calvinistic

If he they believe tulip they are Calvinists

If it woddles like a duck quacks like a duck flies like a duck swims like a duck has webbed feet and a bill like a duck it’s a duck

They are Calvinists or living in the great river De Nile

 

[TomL]

If he they believe tulip they are Calvinists

If it woddles like a duck quacks like a duck flies like a duck swims like a duck has webbed feet and a bill like a duck it’s a duck

They are Calvinists or living in the great river De Nile

Gee do you really think it might be a duck. Sic

 

[TomL]

Yup. Your very post was externally determined.

So according to you God determined me to be critical of what God caused you to believe to be true

But one of us is wrong.

so you must hold God causes his children to believe false doctrine

Thus your theology makes God a God of deception

 

[Presby02]

So according to you God determined me to be critical of what God caused you to believe to be true

But one of us is wrong.

so you must hold God causes his children to believe false doctrine

Thus your theology makes God a God of deception

Yup, He has His reasons.

Yes, your wrong.

Yup, He has His reasons.

God can use deception if He so desires. No all deception is nefarious.

 

[TomL]

Yup, He has His reasons.

Yes, your wrong.

Yup, He has His reasons.

God can use deception if He so desires. No all deception is nefarious.

So you affirm God deceives his children and is a God of deception?

 

[Presby02]

So you affirm God deceives his children and is a God of deception?

He can use deception if He so chooses. Not all deception is nefarious.

 

[TomL]

He can use deception if He so chooses. Not all deception is nefarious.

So you affirm God deceives his children and is a God of deception?

 

[Presby02]

So you affirm God deceives his children and is a God of deception?

God can use deception for honorable reasons. Not all deception is nefarious.

 

[TomL]

God can use deception for honorable reasons. Not all deception is nefarious.

Can you not answer the question

So you affirm God deceives his children and is a God of deception?

 

[Presby02]

Can you not answer the question

So you affirm God deceives his children and is a God of deception?

I did. One more time. God can use deception for honorable reasons. Not all deception is nefarious.

 

[civic]

I did. One more time. God can use deception for honorable reasons. Not all deception is nefarious.

So God can lie and deceive- interesting false teaching you espouse. You attribute to our Holy God the Truth the unholy satan the deceiver and liar.

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil. You mock our Holy God.

 

[Presby02]

So God can lie and deceive- interesting false teaching you espouse. You attribute to our Holy God the Truth the unholy satan the deceiver and liar.

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil. You mock our Holy God.

Does He not send strong delusion in 2 Thessalonians so people will believe a lie?