That has to deal with how faith is exercised. LOL
When are believers in Christ ?
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civic
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LOL, but not 6 different kinds of faith. How the same fairh is exercised.
Ya, like we miss a world War.I see cjab and @Kampioen are schooling you on the other forum with the same topic . I bet you guys miss me over there rofl
“faith and belief are not the same “, hilarious
Those two are your intellectual equals no doubt. LOL
civic
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Got to admits it’s hilarious
Hence the LOL in my post.Got to admits it’s hilarious
civic
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Anyways I do like having you here. I miss some of you but not all of you. You can have TheoHence the LOL in my post.
brightfame52
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Before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Of course this was before they became believers, in fact before they had any being whatsoever, but were the Chosen members of His Body and seed of their Head the Lord Jesus Christ,
“According as he [God] hath chosen us in him” means, then, that in election Christ was made the Head of the elect. “In the womb of election He, the Head, came out first, and then we, the members.”In all things, Christ must have the preeminence(Col 1:18); and therefore He is “the Firstborn” in election (Rom 8:29).
https://www.chapellibrary.org/book/gepufg/gods-eternal-purpose AW Pink the Mediator Chosen
Christ had preeminence of being their Head over and before Adam Col 1:17-18
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
The elect were in Him no less than they were in Adam, who wants to deny they were in Adam in the beginning of the world ? Now if we admit they were in Adam at the first, we should admit that Christ had the preeminence of Headship, for He is first in everything !
civic
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Some think believers are in Christ prior to faith, prior to the new birth. But what does the Bible say ?
1- When he becomes a new creation- Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation ( 2 Cor 5:17)
2- When he believes the gospel- And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit-( Eph 1:13 )
3- When you believe, through faith- In Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith ( Gal 3:26)
Notice it cannot be before hearing and believing the gospel prior to becoming a believer as Paul makes clear below in Romans 16:7.
Romans 16:7- Greet Andronicus and Junia, my fellow Jews who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was.
They were " IN CHRIST " before Paul was proving no one is in Christ prior to conversion. Paul was not in Christ before Junia and Andronicus.
Conclusion: In summary we become to be in Christ when we believe and are given the Holy Spirit after placing our faith in the gospel message of our salvation. No one is in Christ prior to hearing, believing the gospel. Then we are given the Holy Spirit and are sealed in Him. Faith comes before being in Christ, then we are given the Holy Spirit and we become the children of God. @Presby02
hope this helps !!!
Larry
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What is the way? What is the truth? What is the life? Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6).
What is the way of salvation? | GotQuestions.org
What is the way of salvation? What does the Bible say about the way of salvation?
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civic
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the article ends with this :What is the way? What is the truth? What is the life? Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6).
What is the way of salvation? | GotQuestions.org
What is the way of salvation? What does the Bible say about the way of salvation?www.gotquestions.org
“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16).
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Nope when they trust in him
Ephesians 1:13 (LEB) — 13 in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
brightfame52
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Believers were in Christ before the foundation,before they were in Adam
brightfame52
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Christ was the Head of the Church before creation, before Adam was the Head at Creation. Were men in Adam at the first ? Likewise they were in Christ prior to Adam
Larry
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What denomination where they?
You existed before the foundation of the world? Tell us about your experiences or are you just lying about it?
Only after they believe
Ephesians 1:13 (LEB) — 13 in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
Romans 16:7 (LEB) — 7 Greet Andronicus and Junia, my compatriots and my fellow prisoners, who are well known to the apostles, who were also in Christ before me.
brightfame52
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Believers were in Christ before the foundation,before they were in Adam
