You did. Great job. Faith is given to you, it is a gift. I agree with you.
It can be our secret. Your fellow Pelgians are not going to be pleased.
When are believers in Christ ?
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It can be our secret. Your fellow Pelgians are not going to be pleased.
civic
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Yep God never gives to the unbeliever who hates God.You did. Great job. Faith is given to you, it is a gift. I agree with you.
It can be our secret. Your fellow Pelgians are not going to be pleased.
Were you once a God hater prior to salvation ?
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See spot run from the question rofl
Yet it is given, it is a gift. It is the means whereby you are saved. Quite the concession.Yep God never gives to the unbeliever who hates God.
Were you once a God hater prior to salvation ?
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See spot run from the question rofl
Yup, until my heart of stone was replaced with a heart of flesh.
See how you answer a question?
civic
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Nope it’s not.
Show one verse where an unbeliever is given faith.
It’s nowhere found in the Bible .
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You said we are given faith. Are you not saved by faith? Yes or no? LOL
Civic has conceded that faith is given to us, a gift if you will. Praise God
civic
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I was not given faith by God at my conversion.
I’m given faithfulness as I yield to the Holy Spirit as a believer ( not an unbeliever) as per Galatians 5 with the fruit of the Spirit.
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No? So your not saved by faith then? Faith is not involved in conversion? LOL
Like I said, quite the mess you have made for yourself. Glad I could help
civic
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No you are projecting since as an unbeliever you never had faith to be saved. It was never your own personal faith that is a requirement, a condition to be saved. You never counted the cost as taught by Jesus.
Your faith was impersonal whereas my faith was personal and personally placed in the Savior for my sin.
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And your asserting a post conversion gift of faith. Which is not possible since you are saved by grace through faith. Your a mess
civic
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Nope we are saved by grace period. The method and means is through faith. That faith is man’s condition to be saved. Nowhere does God once give faith to an unbelieving God hating reprobate sinner.
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No, you are saved by grace THROUGH FAITH.
It has to be if your saved by faith. Where is it written faith is a post conversion gift?
Hint: NOWHERE
civic
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Strawman alert
Show one instance where God gives a god hater and rebellious reprobate sinner faith
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The silence is deafening
Hope this helps !!!
Happy to answer when my question is answered. I showed you how. Will it take 40 years you to get the hang of it?Strawman alert
Show one instance where God gives a god hater and rebellious reprobate sinner faith
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The silence is deafening
Hope this helps !!!
Where is it written faith is a post conversion gift of God?
Civic is proposing your converted and then come to faith?
Who here agrees with this assertion?
civic
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Read it as I posted it from Roman’s 12 and Galatians 5.
May God grant you faith to understand this truth.
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Romans 12 is the context of the gifts for the body of believers.
Romans 12
For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. 4 For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith; 7 if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8 if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.
Galatians is the fruit of the spirit only believers can obtain via the Holy Spirit producing it.
Galatians 5
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
Ephesians 4:7- But grace was given to each one of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift.
conclusion: faith is given to believers, not unbelievers.
hope this helps !!!
Civic is proposing you are not saved by faith. Faith is a post conversion blessing. It plays no part in your salvation.Read it as I posted it from Roman’s 12 and Galatians 5.
May God grant you faith to understand this truth.
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Romans 12 is the context of the gifts for the body of believers.
Romans 12
For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. 4 For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5 so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6 We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith; 7 if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8 if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.
Galatians is the fruit of the spirit only believers can obtain via the Holy Spirit producing it.
Galatians 5
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
Ephesians 4:7- But grace was given to each one of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift.
conclusion: faith is given to believers, not unbelievers.
hope this helps !!!
So I ask again, where is it written faith is a post conversion gift of God?
Which is a flat out denial of Ephesians 2:8
civic
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Projecting .
Salvation is by faith. You are twisting Eph 2:8 just like my posts in this thread. Equivocating seems to be the norm for you.
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Ahhh....so it's not a post conversion gift of God then. It actually plays a role in your conversion.
What a mess you have made in your zeal to win a argument.
civic
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Nope once again you are equivocating. There is salvific faith required to be saved for the unbeliever and the gift of faith given to believers and the faithfulness in believers from the fruit of the Spirit.
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So two different kinds of faith then. LOL Is there a menu?
Notice civic denies faith is necessary for salvation. Your saved and then gifted faith later.
civic
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More than 2 types as I have pointed out at least 6 kinds in scripture.
1- salvific faith
2- demons believe
3- spiritual gift of faith
4- fruit of the Spirit faithfulness
5- faith of a mustard seed
6- healing faith
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