When are believers in Christ ?

[Obadiah]

It is usually the case that a person, when born again......has a remarkable "freeing".. in their mind......its like "all that weight is off of me"....
"My mind is so calm"... ect.

And then........Hebrews 13:9 explains that at this point.......in the beginning of our "new creation in Christ".. we must....>>"establish our heart with Grace".
We must understand that the reason we are saved and stay saved always, is God's Mercy and Grace, that is found as The Cross of Christ.

If we move away from this "heart", then we find Legalism........and that is when the ....>>"what i have to do to stay saved" and "what do i do to keep from loving my salvation"....takes over our faith, and destroys it.

WE have to protect that original understanding that we are "made righteous". "eternally forgiven"..... or... a cult, a forum member, a family member.. a pastor.. a commentary... will find you, and it/they will destroy your faith, and that is when a "doctrine of devils" has taken over as your belief system.

Exactly!

Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” John 8:32

 

[Behold]

Exactly!

Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” John 8:32

That's Jesus

John 14:6

 

[civic]

That's Jesus

John 14:6

Amen

 

[TomL]

As long as you present "selected to be holy before the foundation of the world".........as "what happens after you are born again"...vs...... the Hyper-Calvinism lie that teaches you were selected before you were born, and had no say in it........as in "free will"... to believe.

So, as long as you are not trying to prove that "God selected the Christian" before he or she was born... to become HOLY...., and they had no choice.........as it was "pre-destined".......then all is well.

I never posted on or believed in Calvinist unconditional election

 

[Complete]

Your in Christ when you are set free. and you know it. Have you ever see a news video of someone being let out of prison? They know they are free. It's the same for a new believer.​

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My initial experience as a new believer was the honest exhilaration of having the promise and expectation of eternal life. Meeting other believers was a signal for joy. I assumed that they had seen their privileged position, as I had, and renounced the self-defeating habits and hopes of their old way of life. Every minute of life was a moment to be cherished as a gift from God, to be used for His glory. This was what I understood at the beginning.​

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Soon I began to realize that other Christians did not experience their life in Christ in the same way. Festering beneath clouds of piety was bitterness, jealousy, anger, and complaining, all of which I had known before coming to faith in Christ.​

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They were not set free and were not in Christ. You will know them by their fruit.​

'That no flesh should glory in His presence.
But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus,
Who of God is made unto us wisdom,
and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
That, according as it is written,
He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.'
(1Cor. 1:29-31)

Hello @Obadiah,

I believe that God places the believer in Christ Jesus. Yet some fail to enter into the joy of that knowledge, and the assurance it brings, some because they do not appreciate the fulness of their salvation, and others because they are still seeking to establish their own righteousness, instead of rejoicing in the righteousness of God that has been imputed to the believer, in Christ Jesus their Lord.

* Paul prayed for the believers at Laodicea :-

'That their hearts might be comforted,
being knit together in love,
and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding,
to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God,
and of the Father, and of Christ;
In Whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.'
(Col 2:2-3)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris